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Every time I watch Around the Horn or PTI, everybody talks about how great Peyton Manning and Steve McNair are. Peyton Manning and Steve McNair are the best QBs in the league. Peyton Manning and Steve McNair are MVP candidates. Nobody remembers that Tom Brady has beaten Peyton Manning and Steve McNair, or that the Patriots are the best team in the NFL. Before you talk about Brady's stats, look at Donovan McNabb. His stats aren't great either, but everybody praises him for being a winner. You play to win the game, and all that. Peyton Manning has Edgerrin James and Marvin Harrison to work with, two All-Pro calibre players. Steve McNair has Eddie George, not as good as he was but still a very nice running back. Tom Brady's working with Antowain Smith and Kevin Faulk, who may as well be Tweedledum and Tweedledumber. Why doesn't Tom Brady get the respect he so rightfully deserves? I mean, he can PUNT for crying out loud!



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I think the thing is the perception that the Pats are doing it with a whole team effort. Sure, they don't have WHOMP-ASS RB's, but they do the job well enough to let Brady do his thing. The team's built on short passes and YAC's, though, and what do they do? Win games.

And you'll probably never see ANYONE say this again, but that punt play was a thing of fucking BEAUTY. All Miami could do was take a safety four plays later.



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When the Pats win the SuperBowl again, They'll be talking about him more.





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I agree that Brady doesn't get the props he deserves. I am as big a McNair fan as anyone, but Tom Brady does deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Manning & McNair. After all, the Pats are the #1 seeded AFC team right now, if I'm not mistaken.



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Brady's a heck of a good QB but I really don't see him as being in the same class as the guys mentioned here.

He's a good, solid player with an accurate arm who doesn't make many mistakes but McNabb, McNair and Manning all have they're own something special that sets them apart as being truly outstanding.

McNabb's the best scrambler in the NFL outside of Michael Vick and has a heck of a strong arm to back it up. His stats may not be too impressive this year but thats largely because he was playing (badly) hurt for the first 5 or 6 games.

Since then his ratings been up around an MVP standard 100, with (I think) only 1 interception in the last 7 games. And thats in spite of the fact that he's got one of the worst sets of WR's in the league to go to (Ritchie caugt as many TD passes as all our wideout combined this year).

McNair has his toughness, his scrambling and most importantly his accuracy to set him apart. He's come as close to playing mistake free football this year as you can which has allowed his receivers to look better than they are, and meant the defense isn't under pressure to make big turnovers.

He IS the Titans, and is probably the player with the biggest influence on his team in the league with the possible exception of Ray Lewis.

Manning has an almost Elway-esque ability to keep his team in a game. He gives the Colts the belief to keep playing even when they look dead and buried (ask Tampa Bay for further details).

Manning wasn't beaten by Brady any more than Brady was beaten by Ramsey. He was beaten by a last minute goal line stand by the Pats D. Hell they Colts never even gave Manning a chance to win it by having James run on 4th down.

Bottom line is that McNair, McNabb and Manning are the main reason behind their teams success this year. The main reason for the Pats success has been great coaching allowing them to win a lot of close games.

Brady's good, just not great.



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    Originally posted by dMr
    He IS the Titans, and is probably the player with the biggest influence on his team in the league with the possible exception of Ray Lewis.


Michael Vick, anyone?

    Originally posted by dMr
    Manning has an almost Elway-esque ability to keep his team in a game. He gives the Colts the belief to keep playing even when they look dead and buried (ask Tampa Bay for further details).


Brady has an almost Elway-esque ability to lead his team to victory. He gave the Patriots the belief to keep playing even when they were presumed dead (ask Oakland, Pittsburgh and St. Louis for details).

    Originally posted by dMr
    Bottom line is that McNair, McNabb and Manning are the main reason behind their teams success this year. The main reason for the Pats success has been great coaching allowing them to win a lot of close games.


Tony Dungy and Andy Reid aren't great (or at least good) coaches? Manning has the best offensive trio in football and McNabb has at least a decent running game. Brady's working with no runners and a revolving door at wideout.

    Originally posted by Mayhem
    After all, the Pats are the #1 seeded AFC team right now, if I'm not mistaken.


That's #1 in the NFL, thank you very much.

    Originally posted by drjayphd
    And you'll probably never see ANYONE say this again, but that punt play was a thing of fucking BEAUTY. All Miami could do was take a safety four plays later.


Sadly, that makes Brady the best punter on the team. Ken Walter and Brooks Barnard didn't average 39 yards per punt, and Brady kicked that from the 40, didn't he?



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    Originally posted by gugs
    Brady has an almost Elway-esque ability to lead his team to victory. He gave the Patriots the belief to keep playing even when they were presumed dead (ask Oakland, Pittsburgh and St. Louis for details).


"Tuck Rule" saved them against Oakland, two of those TDs against Pittsburgh were from special teams, and while I won't take anything anyway from what he did during the final drive against St. Louis, the Rams' D (IIRC) was criticized for playing soft on said drive.




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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.93
    Originally posted by gugs
      Originally posted by dMr
      He IS the Titans, and is probably the player with the biggest influence on his team in the league with the possible exception of Ray Lewis.


    Michael Vick, anyone?


I assumed we were talking about this season in which case I would exclude Vick because he's had so little playing time. I also think Vick may struggle once he's been in the league a while and teams start to come to terms with his pace and come up with schemes to counter that, but thats another matter.

    Originally posted by gugs
    Brady has an almost Elway-esque ability to lead his team to victory. He gave the Patriots the belief to keep playing even when they were presumed dead (ask Oakland, Pittsburgh and St. Louis for details).


Again, I assumed you were looking at this seasons performance. Heck I don't think McNair really got the love he deserved until this year.

Regardless, while I'll grant you that there's belief in Bradys ability, if you were to ask most coaches which QB they would want to lead them from a 2 score deficit going into the fourth, I'd imagine Manning would rank way higher than Brady.

I'm a huge fan of both Dungy and Reid, but Belichick has shown himself to be by far and away the most intelligent coach in the league this year.

And Manning doesn't have the best offensive trio in football, he's part of it. His threat allows James more room to run, and his ability gets the ball to Harrison. Sure those guys are talented players, but Manning makes them even better in a way that I don't believe Brady would.

The Pats don't have the RB's of the Colts or to a lesser extent the Eagles, but if Brady provided more of a threat either through scrambling or passing ability then Faulk would have more room to run.

Half the reason that Buckhalter et al have performed so well for us lately is that the opposition is always having to allow for the threat of McNabb and try to second guess what he'll do. Even Staley would probably concede he owes some of his success to Donovan (all right, maybes I'm getting a bit carried away).

Like I say, I just feel that the Colts, Eagles, and Titans revolve around their QB's, the Pats don't. McNabb, McNair and Manning make guys around them look better than they are to an extent that Brady doesn't.

None of thats meant to be a criticism of either the Pats, who are playing as well as anyone in the league, or Brady. McNabb, Manning, and McNair will all likely go down as great QB's once they retire, Brady probably won't.

But when all's said and done he's got a ring, they aint, so what does he care/I know?



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I think the lack of love for Tom Brady may stem from the offense he's in.

ANYONE could complete those short 4-yard completions that the Pats seem to live off. Heck, even I could take the snap, have a three-step drop, and complete a quick flanker screen to Branch.

Until the Pats get more of a vertical passing attack, and, you're all right, some decent RBs...Brady will get passed over in the discussion of "great" QBs.





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Sorry people by Brady is every bit the QB as those 4. He is 30-12 as a starter in the Regular Season. Has never lost an Overtime game. Lead the League in TD passes last year. Is Manning is Elway-eqse then Brady is Montana-like. He belongs in the top 3 QB's out there. If I had to Rank the top 5 Qb's in the League right now for my team it would be.

1. Mcnair
2. Brady
3. Pennington (I just love this guy, He like Brady just knows how to win)
4. McNabb
5. Manning

Manning will never be higher for me until he wins a big game.
And While Vick maybe football player until he learns to be more of a pocket passer I just don't think he will make it though 16 games. Vick is alot like Mcnair was early in his carer.

Plus that blow-job ESPN gave Vick last night was just sickening (I put the whole blame on that to ESPN it was not Vicks fault).
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