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BOSTON -- Before this weekend, the Yankees had swept the Red Sox in a five-game series at Fenway Park just twice in their history, doing so in 1927 and 1943.

They won the World Series in both of those years.

http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/gameday_recap.jsp?ymd=20060821&content_id=1621566&vkey=recap&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy

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Means nothing, except maybe to Red Sox fans. Yankees pitching wasn't exactly dominant in this series and it remains their Achilles' heel. I still think they won't make the World Series, as the White Sox and Twins are both better built (especially Minnesota). Hell, if the Angels somehow miraculously catch up to Oakland and win the AL West, I don't even think the Yankees will get out of the first round. Yanks are good, but they're still not the favorites unless Minnesota and Chicago miss the playoffs.

And while Boston has some issues, if we've learned anything from the Dodgers, Angels, and Twins (and even the White Sox from last year), it's that losing streaks mean nothing and it's not over until it's over.



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A week or so ago, the Yankees were the only team who's starters all had at least 11 wins.

Not exacty a weekness.

Their bullpen could use some work, but they are pulling together at the right time of the year. But, I do fear the Twins.
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You Yankee fans are right, it's only Sox fans that obsess about tha Yanks. It all comes from our end. No Yankee fan pays attention to Boston.

To be serious, yeah it sucks from our end. Even if the Sox end up with the WC, I think the result is the same as last year (out in the ALDS). Patriots can't start soon enough for me.





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Boston has been a bad team since July 3rd. Except for Baltimore and the N.L. East, they would be double digits under .500 overall. Timlin has gone in the shitter after 3 1/2 years as a solid bridge in the bullpen, the young pitchers have hit the wall simultaneously. Even when Ortiz was bailing them out on a nightly basis in late July, I was wondering whether he and Ramirez could drag a corpse for 2 months. They tried, but they couldn't. And, after the Tampa/Kansas City fiasco, I thought the ship was sunk. Poorly constructed bullpen for the 3rd time in 4 years. Beckett has been a disappointment and they miss Wakefield's ability to battle for 7 or 8 innings. Maybe an NL team will sacrafice a decent prospect to get Wells to help carry them to a Wild Card and give them a money pitcher in the post-season. Actually, I could see Wells pulling a Clemens next year, for less money, and being the best pitcher available in late July '07.
And they actually tried to get rid of Ramirez for nothing.
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    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    A week or so ago, the Yankees were the only team who's starters all had at least 11 wins.

    Not exacty a weekness.

    Their bullpen could use some work, but they are pulling together at the right time of the year. But, I do fear the Twins.


Finally someone who speaks the truth. I just don't get it, people have been ragging on the Yankees pitching all year and yet all year their team ERA has been lower than Boston and Chicago, and was even better than Minnesota's for much of the season. Plus like Stagger said they have 11 wins each, it's obviously not as a big a problem as everyone is making it out to be, people just like to believe the Yankees aren't going to win I guess. I hate it as much as the next person, but let's face the facts, for the forseeable future the Yankees will always have as good a shot to win the World Series as everybody else.



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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.95
    Originally posted by Quezzy
      Originally posted by StaggerLee
      A week or so ago, the Yankees were the only team who's starters all had at least 11 wins.


    Finally someone who speaks the truth......... Plus like Stagger said they have 11 wins each, it's obviously not as a big a problem as everyone is making it out to be,


As far as I can see 3 Yankees starters have 11 wins. Lidle has 10 wins with Yankees and Phillies. Wright has 9. Unless you're talking about a different rotation than the depth chart on yahoo............
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    Originally posted by Quezzy
      Originally posted by StaggerLee
      A week or so ago, the Yankees were the only team who's starters all had at least 11 wins.

      Not exacty a weekness.

      Their bullpen could use some work, but they are pulling together at the right time of the year. But, I do fear the Twins.


    Finally someone who speaks the truth. I just don't get it, people have been ragging on the Yankees pitching all year and yet all year their team ERA has been lower than Boston and Chicago, and was even better than Minnesota's for much of the season. Plus like Stagger said they have 11 wins each, it's obviously not as a big a problem as everyone is making it out to be, people just like to believe the Yankees aren't going to win I guess. I hate it as much as the next person, but let's face the facts, for the forseeable future the Yankees will always have as good a shot to win the World Series as everybody else.


1. The Yankees have exactly three pitchers with at least 11 wins (Randy Johnson, 14; Chien-Ming Wang 14; Mike Mussina 13). After those three, the *rest of the team's starters* barely have 11 wins combined (14 by my count).

Johnson, despite the 14 wins (a $200 million payroll doesn't come without some offense), has an ERA of just below 5.00 and a WHIP he just brought down below 1.30. Hardly great, barely "good." Oh yeah, he also has nione losses, most on the team, in his 27 starts.

Wang has an ERA of about 3.90 and a WHIP around the same of Johnson's. Good numbers, from a good pitcher.

Mussina, same deal.

2. The problem is, after Overrated Randy and the staff's two very good pitchers, you have ... Jaret Wright (9-7; 4.50; 1.55; averaging barely 5 innings per start)? Lidle has been good for them thus far, but if they were so good, why did they acquire him?

(The answer is because their pitching desperately needs help.)

3. Their bullpen has to be better than people say. I don't know enough about the likes of Mike Meyers to comment, but the Yankees lead the AL East, and it's obvious their starters aren't getting them there.



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Doesn't help Boston fans to know that Manny's going to be out a few days.

ESPN.com - MLB - Hammy keeps Manny out of BoSox-Angels opener

No return date's been cited, but he shouldn't be out for too long. Still, though, we've gotten to see how valuable he is to Boston. Down by one, Boston had a runner on second in the 9th with David Ortiz coming up. Without Manny hitting behind him, the Angels had the green light to intentionally walk Ortiz. One batter later, Boston loses their 6th straight. Not to say that Ortiz would have won the game, but then again, how many times has he done that this year?

The point is, Boston needs Manny back BAD. Every game is crucial to them at this point.



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Good points BucsFan, but I still don't think they are any worse off than the White Sox or Red Sox. Randy Johnson's numbers are not very good but I'd still take him over Mark Buehrle who has an equally bad ERA, but lower WHIP, less wins and a lot less strikeouts. Contreras might have started out 8 - 0, but he now has a ERA over 4, not real impressive, certainly not as good as Mussina. Wang also has a lower ERA than every starter on the White Sox and the horrible Jaret Wright has a lower ERA than all their starters except Contreras.

The Red Sox aren't that great either. They have Schilling who I'd definitely take after Johnson or Buehrle, but not much after that, although Wakefield too has a better ERA than most of Chicago's starters, but not as good as Mussina or Wang for the Yankees.

I don't think anyone would argue that the Yankees have the best pitching staff ever or anything, but it's good compared to the other teams. So if it's a "weakness" for the Yankees, then it's a giant hole for the other teams.



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I'm not sure that it's even THAT big of a deal that the Yankees swept the Sox in this current state. In a vacuum, maybe it's a bigger deal, but when the Yankees KILLED the Red Sox pitching staff the first day it seemed like a sweep wasn't an altogether unlikely result. The Red Sox have been clearly struggling without Varitek, as well.

However since nobody's brought it up, let me be the first:

ALCS RALLY FROM 0-3 DEFICIT > 5-GAME SWEEP IN AUGUST

There are still three-an-a-half years of Grace Period left, anyway, right? Right?



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The biggest factor is that the Yanks gained 5 games on the Sox in the standings. A five game series sweep is a difficult proposition, and at a time where the Yankees have no days off, a west-coast swing, and then a series against both the Tigers and Twins - it's a big deal.

I've always felt that if the Yanks get good performances out of Randy Johnson, Alex Rodriguez, and Kyle Farnsworth, they will be very hard to beat. Farnsworth hasn't sucked much, Johnson has been decent (and terrific at times), and Rodriguez is, well....um....ok. I think everything else just comes together naturally, as Mussina and Wang have been for the most part very good all season, and you take what you can get from Lidle (great against Boston) and Wright. The pen has been pretty good lately, although guys like Proctor and Villone have been extremely overworked. The lineup has totally improved with Abreu, and if they ever get a healthy Matsui or Sheffield back, it might be the best in baseball.



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I think their lineup is already the best in baseball, and possibly one of the best in baseball history. The Yankees' pitching staff isn't "good," per se, but they do enough to win. When you have an incredible lineup and Mariano Rivera nailing things down, you don't need to have five Cy Youngs.



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    Originally posted by Quezzy
    Good points BucsFan, but I still don't think they are any worse off than the White Sox or Red Sox. Randy Johnson's numbers are not very good but I'd still take him over Mark Buehrle who has an equally bad ERA, but lower WHIP, less wins and a lot less strikeouts. Contreras might have started out 8 - 0, but he now has a ERA over 4, not real impressive, certainly not as good as Mussina. Wang also has a lower ERA than every starter on the White Sox and the horrible Jaret Wright has a lower ERA than all their starters except Contreras.

    The Red Sox aren't that great either. They have Schilling who I'd definitely take after Johnson or Buehrle, but not much after that, although Wakefield too has a better ERA than most of Chicago's starters, but not as good as Mussina or Wang for the Yankees.

    I don't think anyone would argue that the Yankees have the best pitching staff ever or anything, but it's good compared to the other teams. So if it's a "weakness" for the Yankees, then it's a giant hole for the other teams.


I would definitely agree with all this...with the footnote that the White Sox arent the White Sox of 2005 (which is a pretty insane standard anyway). I would take Mussina or Wang over a huge portion of the AL starting pitching.



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Sorry for the bad info, I was going with something I had heard on a cardinals broadcast (I know, Joe Buck fucking up isnt that out of the question).

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    Originally posted by TheBucsFan
    Their bullpen has to be better than people say. I don't know enough about the likes of Mike Meyers to comment, but the Yankees lead the AL East, and it's obvious their starters aren't getting them there.


Farnsworth has been picking up the peices by not letting teams score more runs than the Yankees. Then there's Rivera, who's still ten times the pitcher Papelbon is.

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1)You are on the mark. Mike Mussina doesn't get the props he should, and Pedro would have more wins with a better bullpen. 2)I have heard almost as much talk on Pedro as I have of Clemens.
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