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|  #1 Posted on 14.11.11 1303.56 | Instant Rating: 9.39 | Originally posted by @sportingnews
@TheNBPA has rejected the @NBA's latest labor proposal and will file an anti-trust action. Details to come.
In rejecting the latest NBA CBA proposal, the NBPA have also outlined their next step: an antitrust case against the Association. This pretty much blows everything up and the only talk you'll see in this forum about stuff happening on a BASKETBALL court will be talk about the college hoops.
Depressing, but it has really seemed inevitable for several weeks now. Rest assured our Timberwolves season ticket money will definitely be put to good use elsewhere. (Probably not Wild games...but maybe!)
Unrelated: for a laugh, or to be further depress, check out my Storify (sfy.co) of NBA's "Twitter chat" from last night.
EDIT: MAYBE there's a SLIVER of time to fix this:
Originally posted by @DarrenHeitner
Heat is finally on both sides. Deal may still be reached prior to NBPA decertification. Once decertified & antitrust suit filed, Armageddon.
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| #2 Posted on 14.11.11 1337.47 | Instant Rating: 6.45 | And nobody should get any sense of optimism out of this, just because the NFL went to the same place and still walked out with a full season. The difference here is that the NFL owners and players realized that losing the season would mean shooting the golden goose, so it was time to end their game of chicken. In this case, a chunk of the NBA owners are more than willing to sacrifice the season, so they're all ok with this getting dragged into court.
What gets me is how thick-headed the NBAPA is. They had one of the faces of the NHL lockout come in and say that losing the season isn't worth it. They brought in DeMaurice Smith, who basically told them that decertifying was a terrible idea and doesn't work. And here we are, watching these boneheads decertify.
And so we say goodbye to the NBA. A pox on both their houses.
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| #3 Posted on 14.11.11 1440.45 | Instant Rating: 6.52 | This sucks especially after how great last season was. Using the whole summer to be unproductive was a terrible move by the players. I don't really blame one side more than the other, I blame them both equally.
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| #4 Posted on 14.11.11 1454.31 | Instant Rating: 0.97 | This is unacceptable!
One set of millionaires fighting with another set of millionaires over how much money they deserve is simply disgusting.
The only people losing out on anything is the people who work concession stands, local restaurant employees and bartenders around the arenas, the guy who valet parks the cars...
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| #5 Posted on 15.11.11 0008.44 | Instant Rating: 8.69 | People will still drink beer, eat food, and watch sports. It just won't be in big building with the NBA playing.
They'll find something else to do. The NBA's fans arent just going to disappear out of the economy.
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| #6 Posted on 15.11.11 0151.58 | Instant Rating: 6.07 |
I hope that the NHL can find a way to benefit from the sports void. Maybe this will actually mean ESPN showed hockey highlights.
Feel bad for all the people who lose income that are not the owners and players (team staff, vendors, etc).
Selfishly, I'm glad that the NWO Heat will be hijacking Lebatard's radio show, as it did last year.
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|  #7 Posted on 16.11.11 0057.21 | Instant Rating: 1.57 | Would the NBA really suffer from a year off? The NHL lost a year but rebounded to incredible popularity, it seemed.
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| #8 Posted on 16.11.11 0157.13 | Instant Rating: 6.45 | Originally posted by Oliver
Would the NBA really suffer from a year off? The NHL lost a year but rebounded to incredible popularity, it seemed.
Depends on your perspective. One could argue that hockey was bound to eventually recover, given the new labor structure, the personalities, and its status as a national sport.
Basketball will take a lot longer to recover. A lot of that is because a number of basketball players (and many more of the mid-level players) are often portrayed as spoiled, self-serving, entitled, arrogant brats. And in several cases, that reputation is well-deserved.
Oh, and then there's the whole thing about this lockout coming in the face of a much worse economy than the world was facing during the NHL lockout. The NBA will take years to recover from this mess and it may never reach the popularity that it reached last season. Ever.
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| #9 Posted on 16.11.11 0252.59 | Instant Rating: 3.99 | Originally posted by Oliver
Would the NBA really suffer from a year off? The NHL lost a year but rebounded to incredible popularity, it seemed.
If it rebounded that much, I certainly don't see it. Hockey used to get far more attention before the strike on basic cable. Now, unless you get Versus (or NBC Sports, as it will soon be known), you're not likely to be able to watch any games without a special package or special local sports channel. I remember ESPN having half hour shows for hockey highlights every night and now if you're lucky, once every couple of days, they'll give you a two-minute segment on Sportscenter with Melrose or Barnarby. The visibility of the NHL has suffered a lot because of the strike and I still don't think they have truly recovered from it.
In a weird way though, the NBA stoppage may be the shot it needs to get back to prominence. With the exception of Saturdays and Sundays for college and pro football, the only sporting competition the NHL will have to face is from college basketball and I don't think people really get interested in that until about late January or early February. Plenty of time to build a audience throughout winter, IMO.
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| #10 Posted on 16.11.11 0259.11 | Instant Rating: 6.07 | Id say the nhls visibility "problem" has all to do with not being on espn and not wanting to be so far down the four letters pecking order.
Btw, the nhl salary cap floor is now higher than the cap in the first post stike year.
Thats why they will hsve a labor stoppage next year too.
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| #11 Posted on 16.11.11 1454.49 | Instant Rating: 5.79 | Originally posted by Cerebus
This is unacceptable!
One set of millionaires fighting with another set of millionaires over how much money they deserve is simply disgusting.
The only people losing out on anything is the people who work concession stands, local restaurant employees and bartenders around the arenas, the guy who valet parks the cars...
Millionaires that act like children, too.
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| #12 Posted on 16.11.11 1850.07 | Instant Rating: 7.01 | Originally posted by wannaberockstar
Originally posted by Cerebus
This is unacceptable!
One set of millionaires fighting with another set of millionaires over how much money they deserve is simply disgusting.
The only people losing out on anything is the people who work concession stands, local restaurant employees and bartenders around the arenas, the guy who valet parks the cars...
Millionaires that act like children, too.
Honestly, when your entire "career" consists of getting paid millions of dollars to play a game for a couple months out of the year, I don't want to hear you complain.
Not all NBA players are millionaires, and not all of them make or will make the kind of money you assume. The minimum rookie salary this past season was a little under $500,000. You have to have been in the league for six seasons or more to be guaranteed a minimum salary of more than $1 million and the average NBA career for a player is less than five seasons. So many players will never make the kind of money you assume.
This isn't to say any NBA players are scraping the barrel. If they're poor at this precise moment, there is a very good chance it is because they are irresponsible. But to think that a guy who is in his first or second year in the league - which is a significant number of players - doesn't have something at stake in all this is just ignorant. These guys have a limited shelf life, and for some, missing just one season can mean a loss of about 20 to 25 percent of their career earnings* (in salary anyway). Hell, missing one season could potentially cost a play 50 to 100 percent of his career earnings if he was someone who was only going to stick around for a couple of years. Even the players who ARE making millions are going to lose a huge chunk of money if and when this season is eventually cancelled.
Also, "couple months a year" should actually be "seven to nine months a year" because the season starts in late October or early November and ends in late April to mid-June, depending on the postseason of the team in question. And "play a game" should actually be "play a sport," which is more or less a year round gig for the elite players - many of the ones who make the kind of money you are bemoaning. Keeping their bodies in top shape all year, making public appearances for the team or league, running or contributing to charity organizations like so many of them do, and so on.
These guys are paid millions of dollars in part because of television ratings and inflated salaries, sure, but the other part is that they are the specific ones who are busting their asses to be among the best in the world at what they do. It's not their faults their jobs are ones that command more money than yours or mine. I'm pretty sure Dwyane Wade, Dirk Nowitzki, et al, work much harder and are infinitely more irreplaceable at their jobs than I am mine, their free time just happens to be spent spending a whole hell of a lot more money than me, so we get the impression that that's all they do when they aren't playing those two- to three-hour games we see on television.
Anyway, you're obviously free to cast the whole lot by whatever criteria you choose, but I think you're off.
* - this statement is an estimation based on this Web page with the annual minimum salaries (but no source) and this article claiming the average NBA career is 4.82 years. They're the first two links that came up via a Google search, so if they're wrong then the estimation would have to be adjusted, if I cared to.
EDIT: Two things I want to add. One, despite all that I just said, screw both sides for letting it get to this point. Even though I would take the players' side if forced to pick one, this is still only going to be solved when both sides just swallow their pride and make an agreement. I have no idea if the owners' proposals have been as unfair and unrealistic as the media reports have led me to believe, but I just don't understand why the leagues and players unions leave this shit to the final moments every time. Why wasn't there any sense of urgency LAST offseason, if all the upcoming hostilities were foreseeable? It makes no sense.
The second thing is, this post came up as the random quote on the click I took out of this thread and back to the main page, seconds after I posted it. That's kind of weird.
(edited by TheBucsFan on 16.11.11 2052) | JustinShapiro
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| #13 Posted on 16.11.11 1917.08 | Instant Rating: 9.27 | Originally posted by supersalvadoran
Originally posted by Oliver
Would the NBA really suffer from a year off? The NHL lost a year but rebounded to incredible popularity, it seemed.
If it rebounded that much, I certainly don't see it. Hockey used to get far more attention before the strike on basic cable. Now, unless you get Versus (or NBC Sports, as it will soon be known), you're not likely to be able to watch any games without a special package or special local sports channel. I remember ESPN having half hour shows for hockey highlights every night and now if you're lucky, once every couple of days, they'll give you a two-minute segment on Sportscenter with Melrose or Barnarby. The visibility of the NHL has suffered a lot because of the strike and I still don't think they have truly recovered from it.
Well, the lockout pretty much saved the NHL. It was detox. They broke the players union, instituted a salary structure and hard cap tied to league revenue. Bobby Holik made $9 million per year in 2004 -- Sidney Crosby now makes $8.7. They also opened up the game, got lucky with Crosby and Ovechkin entering the league at that exact time, and made it more fan-friendly with pop culture gimmicky stuff like the shootout and Winter Classic. League revenues are on the upswing, hence the cap raising every year, and the last four Finals have all been pretty successful.
Their contract with Versus/OLN was treated as a punchline at first, but instead of taking an ESPN deal from a position of negotiating weakness for the prestige of being third fiddle or lower, they've grown Versus to a main basic cable station and the NBC Sports rebranding, with hockey as its primary programming. Hockey and that Jenn Sterger show. |
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