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Since: 15.1.02
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I am biased towards my beloved Cincinnati Reds, but I know they suck...hard. So here goes:

1. St. Louis Cardinals- They have it all great pitching and timely hitting.
2. Chicago Cubs- Solid Baseball team, definite Wild Card contendor.
3. Pittsburgh Pirates- Here is my "pull this one out of my ass" pick. I say Pirates are the Twins of this season and shock everyone to fall just short of a Wild Card birth. That and how can you not love Jason Kendall.
4. Houston Astros- At least they got "Enron" taken off the field. I was tempted to put them second, but then my hate for them kicked in.
5. Milwaukee Brewers- I love Bernie Brewer, but he can't go out and pitch for them now can he?
6. Cincinnati Reds- Burn in hell Griffey, you came home and ruined an exciting young baseball team. And to think I actually thought you would HELP the Reds. You have shit all over my team and drug Larkin down to your level. I give you the middle finger. My other middle finger goes to Jim Bowden. HOW FREAKING HARD IS IT TO GO GET PITCHING? The Reds made a ton of money and have a money to throw around so they throw it at....Brian Bohannon? Our ace is ELMER FREAKING DESSENS!!! Dark days on the banks of the Ohio River. At least I got tickets to Eric Davis bobblehead night and the Mariners. It will be nice to see a REAL baseball team for once.



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1 DA CUBS!!! World Series Champs 2002!!! I guarantee it!! Then another 100 year losing streak....
2 Cardinals. Their team is stacked. Pujols has to play as well as last year, though, and who knows what their left field is like. But they have good pitching.
3 Astros. So they don't have Enron anymore. They should have named it "Homerun Field" anyway. They'll still be okay, again, they have decent pitching.
4 Pirates. Sense a theme? Another team with slightly better pitching than below
5 Brewers. Cos they can't finish last.
6 Reds. I hate the Reds. Ken Griffey can *&(*^&*^!!!
Anyways, the Central will be pretty darned competative this year, me thinks.



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Man, Griffey does kinda suck. I flew to Ohio last year to see a freakin' Reds/Cardinals game. My friend and I, before the game, waited in the stands behind home plate hoping to get the autograph of hitting coach and former Red Sox left fielder Mike Greenwell, but security made us clear out when MR. GRIFFEY took the field. The bastard.

As for the NL central, the Cubs are definitely an improved team. They gained far more in the offseason than they lost. Alou should still have some gas in the tank, and of course there's Sosa and McGriff. And their pitching is pretty solid all the way through. Bere, Lieber, Kerry Wood, Fassero and Gordon, etc. (Side Note: ESPN.com actually lists Tom Gordon as Flash Gordon). Cubs are just a good all around team.

And as good as the Cards are, I don't think they're a clear favorite to beat the Cubs. Tino's solid, but his career numbers don't match Alou's.

So, Cards or Cubs. Hardly a revolutionary pick, I know.

[EDIT] It's worth noting that the Reds actually won that game, and by a pretty large margin.

(edited by PalpatineW on 28.2.02 0239)
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Since: 11.1.02
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the cards baby.... i feel this is their year... as much as i love big mac (and always will) his spot was a bit of a hole for the cardinals.... albert did a terrific job stepping up last year... and if he can overcome the sophomore blues (can we say mvp anyone?) the cards offense will be terrific.

the pitching is awesome.... you have kile, morris (did anyone think he would bounce back like that? even when we lost to the dbacks he threw 2 great games only giving up 1 earned run i believe), williams (unbelievable pitching when he came to us last year... a catalyst, a.k.a. will clark of 2001), bud smith (this guy has some control! wont overpower you but will fool you), and benes/ankiel will be fighting out the final spot in the rotation. if ankiel is over that mental problem he had.... we've all seen how unhittable he can be. and benes is a workhorse when he is healthy.

bullpin- you have kline, veres (former closer), isringh (i'm not even going to pretend to spell his name), hackman, and former starter stephenson (back from elbow surgery i believe).

we have the modern jack of all trades in polanco... and honestly i think we have the talent at almost every position to win a gold glove.

sorry about the long post but i'm excited to be a cards fan this year.

the other team i would consider a contender in the central is the cubs... they had a good team last year (they really did!)... the addition of alou (i cant believe houston didn't manage to keep him) adds some massive pop to their lineup. I just dont think that their pitching can hold up over the long run... but we will see....

(edited by SerWolfe on 28.2.02 1115)
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The NL Central is going to be really tough this year. The Cardinals have great young pitching, with a solid ace in Matt Morris. I think Bud Smith is going to be terrific too. The Cubs are going to be pretty good too. Good young pitchers in Wood and Cruz. We'll see if McGriff can get back his production and Alou can earn his money. I think the Cards and the Cubs are the top 2 in the Central, and maybe on of them gets the wild card. The Astros are pretty good, too. I love Oswalt and Miller.



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I'm listening to Pat Hughes and Ron Santo right now! Exhibition Baseball has returned to my radio, and ALex Gonzalez just homered for the Cubs.


We'll finish 4th, just like we always do after a winning season. My boss' Cards will probably win the division, because the Astros will be in disarray, and the other three teams don't even belong in "Others receiving votes".



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Jiminy! Unless you're from Seattle I don't understand all the Jr. hate. But, hey, there are "superstars" that I dislike so...Whatever.

Anyhoo...My picks...

1) 'Stros - Still with the best over-all talent in the division.
2) Cubs - If they only had a manager
3) Reds - Gimme some Jr. LUV! Or not. Whatever. I'm not a Reds fan anyway.
4) Cards - Tino? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
5) Pirates - POKEY??? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
6) Brewers - I will not be happy until I know Selig is in hell!

There ya go.



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how can you rank the cards behind the reds?.... i mean i dont have a problem with your pics... but the reds have no pitching whatsoever... 1 man cannot carry a team



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    Originally posted by PalpatineW
    Man, Griffey does kinda suck. I flew to Ohio last year to see a freakin' Reds/Cardinals game. My friend and I, before the game, waited in the stands behind home plate hoping to get the autograph of hitting coach and former Red Sox left fielder Mike Greenwell, but security made us clear out when MR. GRIFFEY took the field. The bastard.


Well if security made you leave then it's not Griffey's fault unless Griffey told them to make you leave.

Anyway, I don't know why everyone gets on Griffey, all stars are the same way even the high and mighty Michael Jordan I was at a Birmingham Barons game once when he was playing there and was trying to get his autograph (and not just a baseball card or shirt or something that I could turn around and sell, but a painting of him that my brother drew that I would never ever sell) and he wouldn't sign it. I mean come on! It's a freakin Barons game in the middle of the day while all the kiddies are at school! It's not like there was 500 kids wanted his autograph, there was only like three of us wanting his autograph. How long does it take to sign three autographs?

If i was a huge star, I would autograph as much stuff as possible, especially if it something like a painting that someone made rather than just some merchandise.

ANYWAY, I'm not sold on the Cubs "improvements", I think the Cardinals win the Central easily.



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Since: 24.1.02
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    Originally posted by SerWolfe
    how can you rank the cards behind the reds?.... i mean i dont have a problem with your pics... but the reds have no pitching whatsoever... 1 man cannot carry a team


Umm...Just a gut feel more than anything. I'm not big on the Reds. And I'd LOVE to see Boone fired. I just think the Cards are gonna drop. Just a gut feel, nothing more.

At least we all can agree that it will be good to see the Brewers SUCK! (-:



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yeah...... i'll agree with you there.... brewers do suck!



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I can't really see the Cardinals falling this year. Now the Stros' I can see falling. They'll still be good, but losing Alou will hurt them more than they think.
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"I'm an idiot"

(edited by Guru Zim on 2.3.02 1802)
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Good job, dude!

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what the heck is with that pppppppp?



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Since: 15.1.02
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    Anyway, I don't know why everyone gets on Griffey, all stars are the same way even the high and mighty Michael Jordan I was at a Birmingham Barons game once when he was playing there and was trying to get his autograph (and not just a baseball card or shirt or something that I could turn around and sell, but a painting of him that my brother drew that I would never ever sell) and he wouldn't sign it. I mean come on! It's a freakin Barons game in the middle of the day while all the kiddies are at school! It's not like there was 500 kids wanted his autograph, there was only like three of us wanting his autograph. How long does it take to sign three autographs?



Everyone gets on Griffey because Griffey gets on everyone. He is a cancer in any clubhouse. Taunting Dimitri Young because you make more money than him does not promote team unity. Griffey is a superstar and as a superstar he needs to (channeling Rock) Know his role and shut his mouth. Does he have to be a clubhouse leader? No. But he could at least keep his mout shut and NOT cause problems.

As for autographs, having never met or even seen Mr. Jordan I cannot speak for him. I can speak for Barry Sanders who not only took the time to sign an autograph but talked to my father and I for almost 10 minutes at the Kentucky Derby some years ago.

I can also speak for my baseball lord and savior Pete Rose. When you live in Cincinnati there is only one resteraunt to get ribs, Montgomery Inn. It was at Montgomery Inn (the one on the river- I think they call it the Boathouse) Pete Rose was seated next to us. Not only did he talk us, but he waited while my friend Travis ran downtown to the Reds Dugout shop and bought a baseball for him to sign. He was a class act all the way.

The same cannot be said for a scene witnessed in 1996. Following a WCW house show in March a still face Hulk Hogan walked the emtpy halls of the arena talking on a cell phone. He stopped in front of the doorway and ended his phone conversation. Hogan got out a notebook and began jotting down some things when a man and his around 10 year old kid approached the Orange Goblin and asked for an autograph. "I guess, but no pictures." Replied the Hulkster. The boy handed him his program. "You have a pen?" Hogan asked. "No." the boy replied. "Well I am not using mine on an autgraph for you, its too expensive for stuff like that. You are out of luck kid." With that Hogan, ink pen in hand mind you, walked out the door and into the cool night air.

Up yours Hogan. And up yours Jordan for turning your backs on the very people who made you a star.

(edited by Ffej on 6.3.02 1152)
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Heh. Pete Rose. My friend goes to Cooperstown every Summer for the induction ceremonies, and he always reports that Pete Rose and Doc Gooden hang out at a sporting goods shop charging people good money for their autographs. Not that a man can't charge for an autograph if he wants to, I just think it's kind of funny that poor Charlie Hustle has to hang around the outskirts of Cooperstown with the likes of Doc Gooden.

But, Ffej, I'm pretty sure Jordan made HIMSELF a star, simply by being (arguably) the best basketball player EVER.

[EDIT] I've since spoken with the man, and he claims Rose was charging around 40 bucks, and charging EXTRA to write "Charlie Hustle" or "4,000 hits." Alas, poor Pete.

(edited by PalpatineW on 6.3.02 1740)
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    But, Ffej, I'm pretty sure Jordan made HIMSELF a star, simply by being (arguably) the best basketball player EVER.


The argument could be made that being good isn't enough - you have to play in front of the fans too. I'm thinking of all of the guys in the Negro leagues that weren't Jackie Robinson that could have been stars...



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    Originally posted by Guru Zim

      But, Ffej, I'm pretty sure Jordan made HIMSELF a star, simply by being (arguably) the best basketball player EVER.


    The argument could be made that being good isn't enough - you have to play in front of the fans too. I'm thinking of all of the guys in the Negro leagues that weren't Jackie Robinson that could have been stars...



Then maybe Jordan owes his fame to James Naismith and to whomever broke the color barrier in basketball. Jordan attracts attention and he attracts fans because he is (was) that - damn - good. It's not like people by Jordan's shoes because they think he's a nice guy. His talent, and the resultant media frenzy, made him that way.

/edit: Actually, it looks like I just proved your point, Guru. People are fans because Jordan is good, though. Jordan is not good because people are fans. So credit the media exposure of the NBA.

(edited by PalpatineW on 6.3.02 1747)
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