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We have seen Nintendo slowly go from the number one video game hardware provider to now being a distant second in worldwide hardware sales and a disappointing third in America. Why has this happened and what can be done?

1. Nintendo is perceived as a maker of "kiddie" games. Perception is so hard to change these days that it will be tough for Nintendo to survive. Some people point even to the Gamecube itself and being inferior because of its look. The "purple lunchbox" look just doesn't compare to the sleeker X-Box and PS 2. Although, to have someone pick a hardware system based on the color or shape is amazingly shallow and a sure sign of an uneducated gamer (IMO).

It is true that most of the games that are on the GC are rated T or lower. Nintendo themselves do make titles that are more family based. There are some exceptions (BMX XXX, Eternal Darkness, and a few others are rated M), but largely the perception is reality in this case.

2. Nintendo has not discussed or released any online capability. The popularity of X-Box live proves that Nintendo has dropped the ball on this one, although if they come out with something big in the next year, that could really get more Gamecubes sold. Hell, I would spend all day playing a "kiddie" game like Mario Party 4 (or 5 when it comes out in December) with people online rather than some of the other titles like Madden or SOCOM. The fact remains that the conservative approach in this regard is hurting GC sales.

3. There are not enough third-party developers and/or games for the Gamecube. Rare left the big N fold, as did other game makers (I think Capcom did the same, but don't quote me). Nintendo still has big time game makers like Sega, so I would think that the effect of this on its system would be minimal (at least compared to the online problem).

Now Nintendo does still have the GB advance that is still going strong. But even the stranglehold on the hand-held market is going to be challenged soon by Sony. The PSP will have to be something special to seriously challenge the GB SP though.

There is also the rumor that Nintendo will have a huge announcement at next year's E3. This could be a new hardware system. If this is the case, and the new system could be released before X-Box 2 and PS 3, then Nintendo might be able to take back the market. Perhaps Nintendo will announce their new online capabilities at E3. Whatever the announcement really is, it's going to have to be major in order for Nintendo to survive.

I personally have always stuck with Nintendo, but even I picked up the PS2 first, and it was tough to justify a GC purchase at first (especially after being somewhat underwhelmed with an N-64 machine that collected more dust than playing time). I am now very happy that I did get the GC for the awesome games from Nintendo. In fact, I play on the GC more than PS2 at this point, and I will not be buying an X-Box.

So what do you all think about this? Is Nintendo hurting itself with its conservative approach to gaming? Will the wait be worth it in regards to online play or a new system? Does perception really affect reality? Will you, like me, stick it out with the big N, or are its days numbered?



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1. It does have a handle. Come on.

2. Nintendo is just plain stupid here. Them refusing to make online plans of any sort reminds me of how they've shot themselves in the foot with their proprietary format issues. The N64 cartridges were more expensive to produce, but they stuck with it. Now they finally move on to the CD/DVD style media, but unless you spent an extra 300 bucks on the Japan-only Panasonic machine, you weren't getting one that could play regular music CDs or DVDs. I know that might not seem like a big issue, but I myself needed a new DVD player, and being able to play discs right out of the box with the PS2 was one of the deciding factors for me.

3. As far as I know, Capcom is still around since Nintendo signed that huge deal with them for the exclusive rights to the new Resident Evil games, which also ties into point number one with them trying to present more mature game and shake the kids-only image. I know Eidos dropped recently and Sega Sports isn't putting out any more GC titles because they sold horribly on the Cube.

It's weird, because the mere idea of Nintendo possibly one day ending up like Sega did as nothing more than a third party developer seem downright crazy, but if Nintendo wasn't so stubborn, I could see it happening.



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Nice job summing up the typical list of charges as to what Nintendo is doing wrong.

1. I like the look of the Gamecube. My girlfriend got me a black one, and it looks fine sitting on top of my PS2. The reason Nintendo likes to make *kiddie* games, I think, is because those kiddie games are not exclusionary. Its like the difference between making an R movie versus a PG movie. There are no restrictions placed on who can see a PG movie, so it has the potential to make more money. However, there's also the perception that the PG movie has less *interesting content*, and as such, people will be more interested in the R movie. Frankly, I think there's nothing wrong with a developer making specific kiddie games, as it does give the young gamers something to play without mom and dad having to worry about content. But to continue the movie analogy, even Disney owns other studios to release adult content. I'm sure at some point Nintendo will realize that people who were ten when the NES came out are almost thirty. That said, because we've grown up with them, they should be able to create a niche market for their own nostalgia, and be able to live off that, even if they just re-release old games for new systems (gameinformer.com).

Besides, are you saying that Christian likes a kiddie system (sports.ign.com)?


2. Nintendo has a modem/broadband adapter peripheral, which can be used at least with Phantasy Star Online. Nintendo may have no broadband plans, but they've said that they don't feel that the market is big enough to justify entering. Again, looking at it from terms of an exlusionary concept, if they market a broadband capable package, then they are, in a sense, excluding anyone without broadband from enjoying that, especially given that that aspect of development will cost money, and be a part of the $49.99 they pay for a given game. As broadband becomes more common, I'm sure Nintendo will step into the fray. ( If someone doesn't for them (cubeonline.gamefarmer.com)).

Nintendo, again being kiddie, or family, oriented, has designed the Gamecube to be the focal point in a shared gaming experience. Continuing the precedent set on the N64 with games like Mario Party, Super Smash Bros, and GoldenEye, the Gamecube is intended to be enjoyed with three other people together in the same room. From a social standpoint, rather than foster relationships with people in assorted locations known only by a string of characters, Nintendo would rather you foster relationships with people you know and interact with regularly. Hell, even Animal Crossing, a single player game, encourages kids to get their parents to make houses in the village. This is why Nintendo made the 'cube so small and with a handle. They want it to be portable, so that you bring it to your friend's house and share it with them.

I should point out that I don't have broadband, don't have X-Box, and think that online gaming is not as important as everyone seems to make it out to be. Sure, its a nice feature to have, but while some games may be fun to play against/with people, other games will always be fun to play alone, and if Nintendo wants to put out a ton of games that rule without providing online support, then poo on those people that pass up all those great games simply because there's no ethernet jack in the back of the box. The same goes for CD/DVD playing capabilities as well. (Although given that the Nintendo released the cube for $100 less than the competitors, if you really needed that functionality there would be nothing stopping you from taking that money and buying a DVD player.)

It does make sense that the majority of the clamoring for the Gamecube to add online support is heard online, where the people who would enjoy that feature most are. Its not unlike the polls at 411 indicating that wrestling games are among the best. The results aren't entirely accurate because the audience being questioned is biased. I'm sure there are plenty of people out there who enjoy the Gamecube the way it is, and we never hear from them simply because they don't go online.

3. Third party developers are nice, but if Nintendo decides to go it alone, and produce a console and all the software themselves, does it matter so long as they make a profit?


I like my cube. I can't say why the systems not selling as well as people might like, but I can only speak for myself and say I'm happy with it.



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From a social standpoint, rather than foster relationships with people in assorted locations known only by a string of characters, Nintendo would rather you foster relationships with people you know and interact with regularly.

And what kind of weird world are we living in where a video game company would hold off on supporting features that other systems have IN ORDER TO ESTABLISH AND ENFORCE THEIR OWN VISION OF HOW WE INTERRACT WITH OTHERS AND WHO WE ARE ALLOWED TO INTERRACT WITH? What the hell is that about?

That also doesn't work because if you're up in the middle of the night alone and feel like playing against somebody, you can either get online and almost definitely find somebody to play against, or you can go pull your family member out of bed and plop them down in front of the console.

This is why Nintendo made the 'cube so small and with a handle. They want it to be portable, so that you bring it to your friend's house and share it with them.

If you're not able to carry around a console without a handle, 1. you're probably not old enough to leave the house to go to your friend's and 2. you're going to look pretty stupid anyway with a neat handled console and the av cable, power cable, game(s), and controller(s) dangling away in your other hand.

and if Nintendo wants to put out a ton of games that rule without providing online support

A ton? There might be a few, even up to a dozen, but a ton... no.

The same goes for CD/DVD playing capabilities as well. (Although given that the Nintendo released the cube for $100 less than the competitors, if you really needed that functionality there would be nothing stopping you from taking that money and buying a DVD player.)

*Released* is the keyword. When I got my PS2, it was 200 dollars. The GC was 150. Good luck getting a non-shithole DVD player for 50 bucks. Sure, the PS2 isn't the most feature rich, but it is still Sony and not "KLH" (the only brand Best buy carries for 50 dollars) or somesuch.

It does make sense that the majority of the clamoring for the Gamecube to add online support is heard online

Or you could be reading it in EGM, Game Informer, even GamePro, or in the scads of other gaming magazines out there.

Third party developers are nice, but if Nintendo decides to go it alone, and produce a console and all the software themselves, does it matter so long as they make a profit?

That's a very extreme situation, and if Nintendo really came to a decision like that, they'd be shooting themselves in the foot. They still have third party support right now, and they're still not selling much. There's also a lot of talk about people waiting for the next big Gamecube game, (I still haven't found one I really like besides Eternal Darkness) and cutting off all other companies would just kill the amount of games they'd make available for their library. So if you go Nintendo only on the Cube right now, what would you have that's out right now or out within the next year? 10-15 games? Also, do you think people who like sports games are going to be satisfied with a new Kobe Bryant (haha) NBA Courtside as the only sports game on the system?

I don't mean to be all doom and gloom, but from a business perspective, Nintendo isn't doing so hot. Like you said though, you enjoy the GC and that's all that's really important. There just aren't many people buying them.

Anyhow, here's some news on the online stuff, courtesy of IGN:

September 10, 2003 - Nintendo of America today told IGNcube that it has reached an agreement with America Online by which the Internet provider will become the official preferred ISP for GameCube.

According to the agreement, developers who choose to create online games for GameCube will be licensed AOL connectivity software that will enable their games to connect online through AOL. Nintendo stated that this same rule would apply to any potential online GameCube software it decided to create in the future.

The company reaffirmed that as of yet it is not developing any online games for GameCube. It stated: "To be clear, this does not indicate the unveiling of a new online gaming approach from Nintendo. Nor does it signify that we have changed our position on the current business viability in the online console gaming field."

Nintendo said that as part of the agreement many of its products would be spotlighted on key AOL and AOL Time Warner websites and that the two companies are discussing means of promoting AOL's new broadband service, including the possibility of bundling AOL demo discs with the GameCube.

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What an odd partnership.



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I think the thing that's going to do Nintendo the most damage in the long run (and, really, the short run) is their insistence on ignoring the other aspects of home entertainment.

Microsoft's made no secret about their plans to make the XBox some kind of uber home entertainment system, and Sony seems to have similar goals. When you buy their systems you're already getting a dvd/cd player on top of a game system, and the next-gen ones will probably either hook up to or replace your PC. A dedicated game system is going to look pretty puny in comparison, especially when you'll be able to get most of the games available for it on one of the other, more versatile boxes.

Plus, the games are on those itty-bitty little mini-diskettes, and they just bug me. Digital compression and all aside, you look at the 'Cube version of a game and compare it to one of the other systems and it just looks... sort of puny. The game may be the same, but we're a visual species, and there's still a part of our brains that seems to think bigger = better.



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Maybe for you, but have you ever tried lugging three Xboxes up 2 flights of stairs? It's a true pain in the ass to get four Xboxes together for link play. And why the hell do I want to pay 100+ dollars extra for a game system when I already have a DVD player and a computer?

I'll buy a PS2 or an Xbox for the same reason I bought my Gamecube - to play games.

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Damn, what the hell are your friends doing to their machines?



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    Originally posted by Ubermonkeys
    Damn, what the hell are your friends doing to their machines?


This is normal from what I've seen from the PS2. My ex-manager is on his third machine, my other manager's PS2 has stopped reading discs, one of my best friend's PS2 has died, my buddy on my bowling team's PS2 is ceasing to read discs, and one of my friends online (I think) has gone through at least one PS2, maybe two.



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The PS2's cd reader is notoriously faulty, and usually the drive burns out within a year (depends on how much you use your PS2 though). Xboxes have been mysteriously locking up and refusing to read discs since the demo units were put into stores. Nothing's changed on that front (we'll see how the replacement Xboxes hold up - MS claimed to have fixed some issues).

Basically those 3 year warranties are your best friend when it comes to these machines. I've heard of a few faulty Gamecubes out there, but I've yet to meet anybody who's replaced one. And I don't know anybody who hasn't had to replace their PS2.

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The worst that any of myself or my friends have had to deal with is a delayed disc read (it still read them, just didn't do so immediately after bootup- more of an annoyance than anything) on the PS2. I admittedly cracked it open afterwards to clean out some of the dust, but it's been fine since then. There has been one dead N64 in the bunch, though.

PS2 bias aside, I can't imagine killing two of them and still having enough desire to play the games (or confidence in Sony) to warrant buying a third machine.



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I returned my Cube during the 90 day warranty because Super Monkey Ball 2 was freezing, and the Metroid cut scenes were freezing. I called Nintendo and the guy told me to take it back.

It still freezes randomly on Monkey Target and some Metroid cut scenes.

Eh.

I went through 3 Playstations - although one was fixed by my brother in law by recalibrating the laser.

The PS2 DVD player is worse than a $50 DVD player. Plus, you really have to pay $10 more to get the remote for the driver disk - and even then it fails way more often than any cheap DVD player I've used.

The Xbox is $30 more for DVD - so you can hardly count it as "out of the box" working.



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For the most part my friends who own PS2's are Square fanboys, and couldn't resist anything with Final Fantasy written on it. They even took me to see the movie on opening night, though I refused to pay for it. So that's the main reason they kept getting the Playstations, and then games like GTA: Vice City and Frequency made them get them again.

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I got my PS2 a year after they came out, and it still works. And I use it as my primary DVD player (for some reason, it works better than the DVD player I got my parents, which is also a Sony). I have heard that keeping the PS2 in an upright position tends to shorten its lifespan, but I think I heard that on a prior thread here.

A gameboy being ejected from a moving vehicle? Sounds like a story.

Although not directly comparable, I played my original 1990 Gameboy semi-regularly up until last year when my girlfriend got me a GBA. And I'd wager that if I took it out of the drawer, it still works (battery pack and all).

Maybe Nintendo isn't trying to be an all encompassing entertainment device, but for a company to want to be involved with (read 'control') the content on my television that much, I get disturbed. Especially when one of those companies is Microsoft.

    Originally posted by Ubermonkeys
    If you're not able to carry around a console without a handle, 1. you're probably not old enough to leave the house to go to your friend's


As much as I've lugged my GC between CT and South Jersey last year, I never did use the handle. But its nice to know its there if I wanted...

    Originally posted by Ubermonkeys
    Or you could be reading it in EGM, Game Informer, even GamePro, or in the scads of other gaming magazines out there.


I'd wager people working on the magazine are tech savvy enough to be involved in the *online scene*. You're probably right though, and since I'm not specifically clamoring for online play myself, then I'm just ignoring the demand or chalking it up to crazy people who are not me.

And regarding Nintendo's future plans, here's an interview (computerandvideogames.com) with Nintendo's European product manager.



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Or you could be reading it in EGM, Game Informer, even GamePro, or in the scads of other gaming magazines out there.

I'd wager people working on the magazine are tech savvy enough to be involved in the *online scene*. You're probably right though, and since I'm not specifically clamoring for online play myself, then I'm just ignoring the demand or chalking it up to crazy people who are not me.


Sorry if I came off as being snippy there, I didn't mean to. I didn't intend to for it to be like "or you could pay some attention to magazines, FUCKING EDDIE!", it was just more like, "this stuff exists offline, too". I was kinda referring to the feedback and letters stuff that the mags get from readers more than what the editors/writers themselves are saying. More than a few people out there are bummed that there's not going to be any playing of F-Zero or Mario Kart DD online (I'm one of them.)

While I'm on the magazine tip, another thing that bugs me about Nintendo- EGM kept harping on this for a while- they refuse to give anything up to them regarding demos, screenshots, etc when it comes to the Cube. Neither they or I can figure out why, especially when they don't do that regarding Gameboy titles. Basically this leads to them having to go buy a copy on the street date of any given game, which delays the review, which make keep some gamers from buying a title... or forgetting about it altogether when something snazzier comes along.

All of this just bugs me because I think everybody *wants* to see Nintendo succeed. They still have that magic they can put into the control system of any game they make and have it feel so smooth that you could tell the game was made by Nintendo simply from the feel of it. They still have Mario, who will always be cooler than Tommy Vercetti, or any military guy from Halo. They need to keep doing cool things to get the consumers' attention, like the free Zelda disc with the old N64 games on it. They could have done this with Metroid, Sunshine, F-Zero, and Mario Kart (I'd actually heard a rumor about the last one, but I guess it's just going to be a "demo disc" now.) It's a way to give gamers something extra as well as a way to better match up with people who might consider buying a PS2 because they know it's backwards compatible with their old PS1 games.




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If I may, I see a parallel between Nintendo as it stands now, and the then-WWF when it was in the midst of the Monday Night Wars ... At first, both companies were the dominant players in their respective fields, giving them the freedom to ignore their competition to the point where they acted like the "other guys" didn't even exist (like when Gorilla Monsoon pretended that he had no idea where Ric Flair's NWA title belt came from, remember?).

But, once WCW began to surpass the WWF in popularity (as the PS2 and - apparently - the XBox have now done with the 'Cube), Vince McMahon had no choice but to "retaliate" by taking shots at the competition (by name) and calling them out as being the inferior product that hypes style over substance (in his mind, anyway) ... Now, the Big N has pretty much been forced to do the same thing, as evidenced by this article appearing in the July issue of Nintendo Power Magazine (vol. 169) :



IN DEFENSE OF THE NINTENDO GAMECUBE

You've probably seen the arguments raging on Internet chats and bulletin boards about which console is the best or what game is the hottest. Some misguided gamers think the Nintendo GameCube is a toy for tots. On the contrary: Players of all ages revere Nintendo games, and some of the best Mature-rated games are exclusive to GCN. At Nintendo Power, we think it's a tragedy when gamers turn away from pure gaming excellence because they're afraid of what someone might say. The next time a deluded gaming guru tells you that the GCN is lame, refer him or her to Nintendo Power's ...

TOP TEN REASONS GCN BEATS THE PANTS OFF PS2 AND XBOX!

10. The handle. Okay, so it's a little goofy, but imagine trying to take an Xbox with you to a friend's house or on vacation. You would need an industrial crane and a parking permit.

9. It only plays games. That's right. Anyone who tells you that playing DVDs on a game console is a benefit has never had someone monopolize the machine for hours playing Meg Ryan movies while the rental game you have to return in three hours gathers dust.

8. It's more powerful than PS2. PS2 has slower processors and its graphics are noticeable inferior to the GCN's. Sorry ... there's nothing very funny about that.

7. Gone Platinum. The Platinum GCN is a work of art, shiny and sophisticated. PS2 and Xbox look like every other piece of electronics hardware created in the past 20 years, and dust really shows up on those black casings.

6. The Controller design. The PS2 Controller has way too many buttons, and the Xbox Controller was designed for a giant or octopus. Ah, but the GCN Controller is elegant and practical ... an extension of the human spirit; an epiphany in plastic; the ultimate interface between mind, body and technology.

5. Experience. Nintendo has consistently produced the highest quality video games for more than two decades dating back to Donkey Kong. You can bet that Nintendo will continue to do so in the future. Twenty years ago, Sony was making Betamax tape machines and Microsoft hadn't even come up with Windows. What will they be doing tomorrow?

4. The incredible freedom of the WaveBird Controller. You can even play from the bathroom. Let freedom ring!

3. Game Boy Player. More than a hundred million people have Game Boys, and we suspect that most of them own a game or two. With the Game Boy Player, all those millions of deserving gamers will be able to play their games on Nintendo GameCube as well as on their Game Boys.

2. Connectivity. Sony and Microsoft can't do it because they don't have Game Boy. They have robotic dogs and word processors. Let's face it, they're not really game companies. But Nintendo does only games, which is why Nintendo innovates ways to play: linking consoles, swiping cards, visiting villages filled with animals and sailing the high seas in a talking boat.

1. Exclusivity. The GCN offers The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker, Metroid Prime, Resident Evil Zero, Super Mario Sunshine, Eternal Darkness, Animal Crossing, Star Fox Adventures, Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles, Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes, Mario Kart, Metroid 2, Star Wars: Rogue Squadron III: Rebel Strike, Pikmin II, Resident Evil 4 and Soul Calibur II as Link. (That's 15 exclusive reasons GCN reigns supreme.) Try naming 15 exclusive hit PS2 titles. As for Xbox, you can count the number of exclusive hit titles on one finger.



Now, I've been reading Nintendo Power since a Claymation-version of Mario and Wart first appeared on the cover, and I NEVER expected to see Sony or Microsoft's consoles mentioned by name inside the pages of this long-running mag ... especially not in such a scathing fashion (I particularly got a kick out of the last line: "You can count the number of exclusive hit titles on one finger"; ooooh, saucy!)





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#6...hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

That controller is seriously terrible, and the sole reason most people I know avoid getting any cross-platform games on the system. Nintendo and the exclusive third-party developers design games around the controller so those aren't quite as bad, but playing SC II on the thing was torture.



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    Originally posted by Alessandro
    1. Exclusivity. The GCN offers The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker, Metroid Prime, Resident Evil Zero, Super Mario Sunshine, Eternal Darkness, Animal Crossing, Star Fox Adventures, Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles, Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes, Mario Kart, Metroid 2, Star Wars: Rogue Squadron III: Rebel Strike, Pikmin II, Resident Evil 4 and Soul Calibur II as Link. (That's 15 exclusive reasons GCN reigns supreme.) Try naming 15 exclusive hit PS2 titles.


Heh. Am I the only one amused by the fact that their list contains seven out of fifteen games that AREN'T OUT YET? (And an eighth whose "exclusivity" is restricted to one character.)

But I'll be charitable and revamp their list for them:
* Zelda: Wind Waker
* Metroid Prime
* RE: Zero
* Super Mario Sunshine
* Eternal Darkness
* Animal Crossing
* Star Fox Adventures
* Pikmin (I)
* Super Smash Bros. Melee
* F-Zero GX
* Super Monkey Ball 1 + 2
* Skies of Arcadia Legends
* Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour
* Soul Calibur II w/Link

All of those are on the shelves now, and make for a perfectly reasonable A-list lineup.

The PS2 counters with:
* Final Fantasy X (and Final Fantasies IV, V, VI, VII, VIII and IX through PS1 emulation)
* Gran Turismo 3 A-Spec
* Devil May Cry
* Virtua Fighter 4 / VF4:Evolution
* Tekken Tag Tournament/ Tekken 4
* Kingdom Hearts
* Ape Escape 2
* Dynasty Warriors 4
* Tenchu: Wrath of Heaven
* Frequency / Amplitude
* RPGs (Legaia 2, Suikoden 3, Xenosaga, .hack)
* Silent Hill 3
* Romance of the Three Kingdoms VIII
* Dance Dance Revolution MAX + MAX2
* Soul Calibur II w/Heihachi

And that's being charitable and not counting games that are out for PC or Xbox, but not for the Cube (GTA, ESPN NHL Hockey, MGS2, and Midnight Club 2 coming to mind), or games that are coming soon (Monster Rancher 4, Fatal Frame 2).





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Fact is, if you want to play the best games out there, buy all three consoles, as none of them are overall flops (yet).

Oh, and reason number 9 is reason number 1 in my book. God, it's so frustrating when the Xbox or PS2 is being used by a non game player in the house to watch their DVD. No I do not want to watch Tomb Raider OR Charlie's Angels. They both sucked the first time I saw them.

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The Gamecube controller is a joke. I mean, I look at it and it's a toy! How does someone expect to play a Capcom fighter on that thing? Check this (cube.ign.com) out to find out a little more.

I was stuck in a war between getting a PSone and an N64 when they were both popular...but between the PS2 and the GCN, I'm going PS2 all the way. There just aren't any redeeming factors out there to convince me to get the latter.

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