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wmatistic
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#21 Posted on
I agree and I think people aren't considering just who would buy this PSP. I mean the bulk of GBA owners are little kids. Sure older kids and adults own them too, but the real huge part of their market is little kids who have parents that don't mind getting a somewhat cheap system with cheaper games for them.

I just can't see parents willing to put up $300 bucks for their kids to get this Sony device, and that cuts out such a huge portion of the market that there's no way Sony will outdo Nintendo in the handheld market. Hell most famlies I know have more than one kid and they have to buy a unit for each kid just to avoid the fights and yelling. They can do that with GBA, but no way with PSP.
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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.00
Kid: Hey mom, can you spot me 300 bucks plus tax for Sony's new PSP?
Mom: Are you crazy? Next thing you'll want a car!

An example conversation about buying a PSP

I think that the comsumers of the hand held market's expectations do not fit with the Sony PSP. Its to expensive, its probably going to be bulky (bigger than the 1st game boys), and IF the PSP is able to put PS games on it, there might be some issues, whether it be compatibility or gameplay. The cartriges might cost a lot too. The point of things like the GBA is to have a something portable and fun to play with that doesn't cost much.

Besides, Nintendo is probably going to release something better and less costly in the future, which will probably shut down most other hand-helds (if they weren't shut down already)

Nintendo is the game and it is that damn good. (I'm sorry if you find this corny, i had nothing better to do)



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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.52
No way am I paying $300 for a handheld game system of any description-- not from Sony, not from Nintendo, not from anybody.

I'd pay $300 for a PS3, though.



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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.13
If Sony is looking to price the PSP to make a profit on the console (which explains the alleged $299 price tag), then there's no reason for them to try to outsell the GBA. Frankly, given the GBA's install base and low price-point, they'd have to be insane to attempt to compete with it head to head. So long as Sony can sell a decent number of PSP's (and subsequent games), the venture will be profitable. They don't need to outdo Nintendo; they just need to find their own niche. Given that everyone who makes a new handheld complains that it isn't acceptable to play your GBA in public after a certain age (in certain circles, at least), there is clearly a second target market out there. Judging from its features, it appears initially that there's no reason why the PSP can't be successfully marketed to these people.



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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.83
Again, don't over-estimate how much it costs them to make these things.

I happen to think that at least ONE group is making money off of the $49 DVD players that I see pretty much everywhere. I doubt the stores are using the shelf space just to fill that important "Came in to buy a DVD player, stocked up on jock itch powder" market.

We are very much overpaying for our electronics at retail. There is no guarantee that anything costs anywhere near what they would like you to believe.



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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.51
Guru Zim is absolutely right. I am in my high school's Wind Ensemble. It takes like a fraction of what the thing costs to print out a score of music, and then maybe a couple bucks for the paper. How much does the thing cost? 80-100 bucks. It takes half a cent to print out an accidental mark. But instead they just put the term simile (the same) to show that the x amount of measures have those accidentals so they don't waste ink.

Why do companies do this you ask? Easy. In the long run, lets say printing out a book, it will cost you serious cash to print the words, get the paper, get the cover, blah blah blah, if your making like 1 million copies. Profit is the driving factor in all business, and companies want to cut costs in anyway they can, and sell at a price that is good (as in making a profit, but not making it so expensive people won't by it). Hence the PSP. Its $300, but the materials only cost a fraction of what the thing is work. Factor in labor, equipment, ADVERTISING, well, you get the idea.

Note that Sony is not going to sell it for $300 (unless they have their own store which i do not know of), the electronics stores and the other stores ARE.




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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.76
    Originally posted by Guru Zim
    Again, don't over-estimate how much it costs them to make these things.

    I happen to think that at least ONE group is making money off of the $49 DVD players that I see pretty much everywhere. I doubt the stores are using the shelf space just to fill that important "Came in to buy a DVD player, stocked up on jock itch powder" market.

    We are very much overpaying for our electronics at retail. There is no guarantee that anything costs anywhere near what they would like you to believe.


Getting slightly off topic here...

Yeah, after you take the $49 DVD player home it breaks down on you because it's such a shitty product(True story, happened to a friend of mine a couple times)

Sure you could spend an extra $75 on a SONY or TOSHIBA DVD player, but at least your getting something that's reliable and people trust. There's no way in hell I'm ever going to see an electrohome, or even a Citizen DVD player in my entertainment center. I may be poor, but I have much better taste than that. It's like buying no-name brand cornflakes rather than Kellog's, you sacrifice taste to save money, and that's something I don't do.

If I just talked out of my ass there and none of that makes sense, forgive me, I'm tired, I just got up:)
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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.00
    Originally posted by thefraserman

    Getting slightly off topic here...

    Yeah, after you take the $49 DVD player home it breaks down on you because it's such a shitty product(True story, happened to a friend of mine a couple times)

    Sure you could spend an extra $75 on a SONY or TOSHIBA DVD player, but at least your getting something that's reliable and people trust. There's no way in hell I'm ever going to see an electrohome, or even a Citizen DVD player in my entertainment center. I may be poor, but I have much better taste than that. It's like buying no-name brand cornflakes rather than Kellog's, you sacrifice taste to save money, and that's something I don't do.

    If I just talked out of my ass there and none of that makes sense, forgive me, I'm tired, I just got up:)


I agree in most cases. You usually get what you pay for. But there are the exceptions where you overpay, and that's normally when something first comes out. Computer equipment is a good example in that regard. You can get the latest for super high prices or you can take one small step down and the prices drop a ton.

When it comes to DVD players I'm all about what they can do, rather than price. Though mine, plugged into a surge protector, got fried by a lightening strike anyway. Never considered the "get what you pay for" when it came to surge protectors, but I sure do now. Strike came in through the phone lines, killed every phone, and got to the DVD player by way of the ReplayTV modem connection(which also was killed, but just the modem so now it's hooked by network) that was all hooked together through a receiver. Lucky I didn't lose more. Better believe every phone line, cable line and power cord in my house now goes through a quality surge protector. :)
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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.13
That sucks about the surge protector, but that's good advice.

I don't know myself the expected costs for production and advertising and R&D, etc. for the PSP. I just know I read somewhere (Gamespot, I think? Sorry I can't provide a link) that Sony would be looking to price the PSP to make a profit, and they mentioned that as the reasoning behind the $299 MSRP. Again, I'd wager that until E3, this is all just idle speculation.

I'm surprised no one mentioned the reports the other day about Nintendo claiming they were not going to produce a successor to the Gamecube. . . and then the subsequent reports from Nintendo explaining that was a misunderstanding and that there is a next generation console in the works.

Regarding cheap DVD parts and labor, I read an article not too recently about all that. I don't remember if it was in Wired, or posted on /., or even referenced here. If I get the opportunity, I'll sniff around to see if I can find a link.

Edit: Here (seattletimes.nwsource.com) is the article (and here (slashdot.org) is the original /. posting and subsequent *discussion*) regarding DVD player manufacturing. Basically, the no-name brands can sell DVD players so cheaply because they have no R&D or advertising budgets and they minimize their labor costs with foreign sweatshops. The article also compares the performance of a few cheap players to see if they are comparable to the *real thing*.

(edited by EddieBurkett on 11.2.04 1015)

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