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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.29
What teams should be where depends on what the "there" is. Are you talking about a league with several guys making a few mill a year playing in buildings with lots of luxury boxes and 17,000 seat arenas? Or teams in cities who are crazy for hockey, but can only sell 10-12,000 tickets a night, but salaries are smaller.

Given that hockey has not taken off in the US, this is what I see as the ideal, 24-team NHL.

Eastern Conference
New York
New Jersey

Western Conference
Los Angeles
St. Louis

No better or worse than what they have now I suppose.

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Its not so much that some of these non traditional hockey markets are bad. San Jose does well, for example. It's that they shot themselves in the foot with poor expansion practices.

They did a better job with the last round of teams but the expansion teams are still picking from 3rd and 4th line guys at best to build their teams around. So a new city in a new market gets a shit team.

Phil Esposito talks in his autobiography about starting the Lightning and how the teams could protect all but about 2 or 3 guys. So he and Ottawa got stuck with atrocious lineups. The people wanted to see hockey but people get tired of a loser. Not only that, they're seeing a bunch of mediocre players.

The NBA did the same thing here in Vancouver. The city was rabid for the Grizzlies and supported them in the early years but how much support can you give when there is no light at the end of the tunnel?

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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.90
    Originally posted by fuelinjected
    Its not so much that some of these non traditional hockey markets are bad.

I think the folks in Phoenix would be a bit upset if their team got dropped, seeing as the Coyotes have a brand-new arena PREDOMINATLY FOR HOCKEY.

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Does anyone know of a site listing win/loss records of teams vs. other teams? For example, Montreal's record against Vancouver, broken down by year. The hockey database is good but, from what I can tell doesn't have this.
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