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Gee, the New York fans just love Eli Manning, eh?



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You wanted the best, you got... Out of Context Quote of the Week.

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Well, why are we giving up THAT much for him? Rivers, this year's 3, and next year's 1 and 5? In the words of Anna Nicole Smith (according to Kathy Griffin), I don'like it. I would have rather seen us keep that pick and use it... on someone else (no, I don't know... maybe trade down) and try to get Losman late in 1 or early 2 (which wouldn't happen, thanks to the Bills).



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I was against the Manning trade before the draft, I hate it more after it was consumated. If Manning is going to play next year, that means the Giants have 3-13/4-12 written all over them. That means the 4 pick this year plus a top 5 next year (and a 3rd round this year and the 5th round next year), for a QB that I don't think is a franchise player. For Gallery, I would have considered this deal. But, I don't think Manning is any better than Rivers.
The biggest surprise to me so far in the draft is Parcells trading out of 22 when he had all the running backs on the board for him. Considering that has been the glaring hole for the Cowboys, surprising they didn't scoop one up.



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Well, they did take Julius Jones from Notre Dame at 44. Not a real strong RB draft, but you would have thought Parcells would have taken something better than Jones.

As for Giants, I could bitch about it, but Manning is who we've got. It seems a lot to give up to me as well. I thought Roethlesberger was as good a pick as Manning and Rivers is pretty close. To give up three more picks to get Manning seems obscene. Maybe Accorsi knows what he's doing.

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I missed the first 20 picks or so because we were up at the Penn State Blue-White game, so the whole Manning/Rivers thing was a pretty big shock when we got home. I thought the Giants had a lot more pressing needs to fill with this draft?

The number of TEs that have gone so far seems pretty high. Seemed like with the injuries they had last year, and the recent Ty Law rumblings, the Patriots would have gone for a defensive player at #32 instead of another TE. Didn't they have something like 5 TE's on roster the last year or two?



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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.15
    Originally posted by StegDutchie
    I missed the first 20 picks or so because we were up at the Penn State Blue-White game, so the whole Manning/Rivers thing was a pretty big shock when we got home. I thought the Giants had a lot more pressing needs to fill with this draft?


I was at the Blue/White game, too! Unfortunately, I had to work behind the scenes at the Blue/White game and at the Penn State Baseball game going on down below, so I didn't see much of the football.

    Originally posted by StegDutchie


    The number of TEs that have gone so far seems pretty high. Seemed like with the injuries they had last year, and the recent Ty Law rumblings, the Patriots would have gone for a defensive player at #32 instead of another TE. Didn't they have something like 5 TE's on roster the last year or two?


The coverage that we were listening to on the radio questioned this, as well. Unless the Pats plan on a 3 TE offense (unlikely), they thought the pick was a waste (radio guys were Golic, Greenburg, and Clayton). They either have confidence that Law will come around, or that they have a good chance to pick up a veteran later on. I thought there were some good DBs on the board when they picked, (and there are some good ones STILL on the board that will go on day 2.)



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Well I don't like the eagles first too picks at all and trading down to take an unknown is kinda odd. On the PSU game did O'Connor get in the game at all for either team?
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Matt Ware doesn't seem to be a bad pick for the Eagles -- we do need more depth at CB, with Bobby Taylor and Troy Vincent hitting the road, and he sounds like he has potential. On the other hand, the Shawn Andrews pick is a real headscratcher. I've seen it suggested that the Eagles plan to deal Welbourn, start Hicks in his place, and use Andrews as a backup. Which is all well and good, but Reid and company better have one hell of a deal lined up for Welbourn to justify trading up for a dubious player like Andrews and having to sit out the entire second round.



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My chuckle of the day:

Denver takes Oklahoma State RB Tatum Bell in the second round, which as a Broncos fan, I didn't have a problem with. When asked what number he would like to wear he told team officials that he'd like to have No. 7.

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As for the area team, I thought the Bills did well getting Evans (a personal fave since he's from 'sconsin), and trading up to get Losman, a QB for the future. I thought TIm Anderson was a reach, but the first two picks were solid.

As for MY team, the Jags, I was surprised they skipped over Udeze in the first, though they were concerned with his shoulder injury. Reggie Williams should be a solid WR for the future, though, and a good compliment to Jimmy Smith. As long as he doesn't turn out to be another Soward. LB Daryl Smith was the #2 ILB ranked in the Sporting News draft guide, and their LB corps was weak last year. The Greg Jones pick confuses me, as they have Taylor, Toefield (a 3rd rounder last year who did pretty well) and Ma'afala to run the ball. And I thought Cordova went high in the 3rd round.



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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.15
    Originally posted by BWT
    On the PSU game did O'Connor get in the game at all for either team?



I think you mean Dan Connor, the LB from Strath Haven. While he's taking classes up here, he isn't allowed to work with the team until after spring classes are over. Look for him next year maybe: he's number 20.

I think that Ware would be a good nickel back, and the Eagles need help in that area. Keep him at CB (he's also played safety) and I think he can develop into a major player.

As for Andrews, I understand why they are doing it, but it doesn't mean I have to be happy. I have a feeling he (or somebody similar to him) would be on the board at 28, and then the Eagles wouldn't lose their round 2 pick. Andy Reid seemed really sold on the kid, and I think he thought that somebody might pick him up.

Welbourn is doing what Duce Staley did and what Bobby Taylor did: insulting the Eagles and their coach. And they both stuck around until their contracts were up, much to their dismay. Welbourn just re-upped, however, which leaves him in a bind. Send him to a West Coast team (that's where he wants to go), and get a veteran DB or LB.



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You wanted the best, you got... Out of Context Quote of the Week.

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    Originally posted by geemoney
    As for the area team, I thought the Bills did well getting Evans (a personal fave since he's from 'sconsin), and trading up to get Losman, a QB for the future. I thought TIm Anderson was a reach, but the first two picks were solid.

    As for MY team, the Jags, I was surprised they skipped over Udeze in the first, though they were concerned with his shoulder injury. Reggie Williams should be a solid WR for the future, though, and a good compliment to Jimmy Smith. As long as he doesn't turn out to be another Soward. LB Daryl Smith was the #2 ILB ranked in the Sporting News draft guide, and their LB corps was weak last year. The Greg Jones pick confuses me, as they have Taylor, Toefield (a 3rd rounder last year who did pretty well) and Ma'afala to run the ball. And I thought Cordova went high in the 3rd round.


The only thing I can think of for Greg Jones is that they still don't have much confidence in Fragile Freddy Taylor's health (and why should they?) or plan on trading some of their RB's. But if that's the case, why do you even take him? More proof as to why I don't like the "best available player" philosophy... what if you're already loaded at that position? Even if you only have a semi-subtle hole, YOU FILL IT. And also, if I was the Jags, I would want to be reminded of Soward as little as possible.

I like the Losman pick. Not too thrilled with how much they gave up, but they got a hell of a player for the future. Just needs to get his mechanics straightened out.



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Do you ever feel that some gm's get too damn cutesy for their own good? Case in point, the Cowboys. Now, if they did NOT have Steven(Stephen?)Jackson rated as highly as the rest of the world did then there may be an excuse for that trade. And it is true that they get a #1 next year. One problem, they need help NOW! And then Greg Jones is there in the second round and they DON'T take him? Every other mock draft I saw had him going to the Cowboys.

Now take the other Texas team, the Texans. They were talking on the radio here in Houston about how Buffalo and another team were trying to jump Pittsburgh to take that Ben guy(not even trying his last name). Houston could've gone back to 13 and still probably gotten their guy. But why jerk around? If he's your guy then take him.

And what exactly was the point of San Diego's day? If Rivers is rated as highly on your board as Manning(snicker)then why take Manning at all? Sure, they got some picks(including a potentially sweet #1 next year from the Giants)but they suck now. And they got no help NOW. They've already got one young qb. Why take another? Literally anyone else in the top 10(maybe 15)can help them more right now than P.Rivers(who is soon to be the second coming of Dan Fouts with me talking about him like this).

And Matt Millen suddenly becomes a genius too. Curiouser and curiouser.
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    Originally posted by bigtotoro
    And what exactly was the point of San Diego's day? If Rivers is rated as highly on your board as Manning(snicker)then why take Manning at all? Sure, they got some picks(including a potentially sweet #1 next year from the Giants)but they suck now. And they got no help NOW. They've already got one young qb. Why take another?


If they let Manning fall past them, he goes to the division rival Raiders, which would just be pure evil, and probably had as much to do with their "strategery" as anything else.




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I'm suprised the Giants didnt throw LT's Crack Pipe in on the deal. Jesus, FOUR guys for one QB? It wasnt like it was Peyton coming out, and you HAD to get him.

Plus, the Chargers can turn that number one next year into two or three more players as well, depending on a trade.

And the giants get Eli Manning, and the guy that knocked up the coaches daughter.
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All I know is after I whined for 6 years about Pittsburgh never taking a Quarterback for the future they finally did and got the guy I wanted. I look foward to wearing my Ben Rothlishamburglar jersey! Also I had projected Pittsburgh taking Colclough in Round 2, but I am kinda suprised they had trade up to get him.

Speaking of corners I can't believe how far Will Poole has slipped. Coming in I thought he would be a low first to middle second rounder and he is still on the board as of this morning. If he still there today in round 4 for us I think we have to grab him. He is not a shut down corner, but covers well and adds some depth to a position we stink at.



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Hey Ffej, Roethlisberger was a great pick for us, in spite of the fact that we seemed to covet Rivers a bit more. This kinda surprised me, because virtually every website says that Big Ben projects out to be better than Rivers and likely better than Manning at the pro level. Scouts, Inc. had Roethlisberger rated a 99 overall, and the only other players with that rating were studs Robert Gallery and Larry Fitzgerald. To me, it's a wonder he Big Ben slipped this far at all. As for Colclough, I'd never heard of him, and how you had him as our projected round pick is beyond me, but I guess that means I'm just slipping.

Anyway, aside from random Steelers musings, the only surprise for me in the draft outside of the goings on at the top, (during which the Giants got HOSED) was the pick of Lee Evans at 13 by the Bills. I know that they have Moulds, who has the size and strength to be a possession guy, and I know that Evans is a burner and such, but to me he seems like Troy Edwards with slightly more speed and without the attitude problems. I don't know, it just seemed like a big time reach to me. Any Bills fans wanna defend the pick?



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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.73
    Originally posted by HitTheSnoozeButton
    Any Bills fans wanna defend the pick?


How about a guy who watched him play for four years?

Not only is Evans a fast guy who could probably beat 80% of the corners in the league, but he catches EVERYTHING. I think I've seen him maybe drop two catchable balls in four years. His knee injury made him a little gimpy last year, but he quickly got over that (in one of his first games back he had no trouble going 98 yards on a score). I imagine that Buffalo was looking for a solid #1/#2 reciever, and I don't think (and I'll admit my bias) you could find a better guy. Having grown up a Vikings fan, I'd compare him to a much faster Chris Carter.

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Don't get me wrong, Excalibur, I think Evans was a first round talent, but I would've expected him to be taken more around where they got Losman. I saw him play maybe 3 or 4 college games and he was very impressive, it just seemed that his (relative) lack of size, at least when compared to most of the other receivers in the draft, would drop his stock some.



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The big winners are the Chargers who just robbed the Giants. did the Giants realize that by giving up their first round pick next year they would open the door for the Chargers to take Williams in the Supplemental Draft and still have a top 10 pick next year? Great move by San Diego for getting their QB, 2 lineman, and a WR (soon.)

As for the Eagles, I like the pick of Andrews. They now have two options for LT next year when Thomas leaves. They can plug in Hicks or Andrews. Offensive line was an immediate need since Welborne was gone and the loss of Bobby Williams meant there was no depth on the left side. Plug Hicks in and you are left with no backups, not a good situation to be in.

I like Matt Ware in the third round and especially like the picks of Dexter Wynn and Bruce Perry to bolster the return corps.

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