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#41 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.79
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    They brought back McFadden (it's alumni year). So they got a starting corner in the 5th round. 3rd round picks really aren't that much more likely to stick than 5th round picks so there's nothing necessarily wrong with carpetbombing your roster with draft picks and hoping some stick, rather than moving up a few spots in the 3rd round just to do it.

    If the WR is the Mike Wallace clone he's been touted as then that will help offset the loss of Holmes.


>They brought back McFadden. So they got a starting corner in the 5th round.<

Yeah...we got a starting cornerback that the Cardinals didn't want.

>3rd round picks really aren't that much more likely to stick than 5th round picks so there's nothing necessarily wrong with carpetbombing your roster with draft picks and hoping some stick<

But this draft is different. It's supposed to be the most talent loaded draft in 20 years.

>If the WR is the Mike Wallace clone he's been touted as then that will help offset the loss of Holmes.<

I hope Wallace tears it up as a starter, but you got to wonder how good he will be without Holmes pulling the double coverage. Now that double coverage will be on Wallace this season.





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#42 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.50
A few things here. The fact that Oakland didn't want Ben that much tells you who bad the Raiders organization is at deal making and how toxic Ben is. Mayhem, I disagree with Bradford can be the only face of the team. Colt looks the part of all American white QB. Teabow has got that Jesus tough SOB bromance with any coach act and Clausen probably doesn't have the QT points as the rest of them have. But he has the cocky thing going for him which some people like. Bradford has that weird I am not sure what race he is look. As I said before he hasn't played a full season in two years and if he does start in game one, I question how good he will be and if its the right decision.

As for the Steelers, they got the OL guy they wanted, a proven CB even, a new WR and bunch of defense guys. Its the draft they needed not the draft they deserved. I am glad they did get the GT RB, but I would have taken Blount from Oregon as well since assaulting someone on the field is a downgrade to the rest of the crap going on in that team.

(edited by lotjx on 25.4.10 0742)
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#43 Posted on
    Originally posted by lotjx
    A few things here. The fact that Oakland didn't want Ben that much tells you who bad the Raiders organization is at deal making and how toxic Ben is. Mayhem, I disagree with Bradford can be the only face of the team. Colt looks the part of all American white QB. Teabow has got that Jesus tough SOB bromance with any coach act and Clausen probably doesn't have the QT points as the rest of them have. But he has the cocky thing going for him which some people like. Bradford has that weird I am not sure what race he is look. As I said before he hasn't played a full season in two years and if he does start in game one, I question how good he will be and if its the right decision.

    As for the Steelers, they got the OL guy they wanted, a proven CB even, a new WR and bunch of defense guys. Its the draft they needed not the draft they deserved. I am glad they did get the GT RB, but I would have taken Blount from Oregon as well since assaulting someone on the field is a downgrade to the rest of the crap going on in that team.

    (edited by lotjx on 25.4.10 0742)



1) That "weird i am not sure what race he is look" that Bradford has is called Cherokee Indian. The Rams HAD to take him, and even though I'm not a Rams fan and only a partial Sooners fan, I hope he does well. I'm not sure how much I like the o-line protecting him, but I think we can stop acting like he's going to be the only rookie ever to struggle in his first year.

2)The Raiders NOT trading for Big Ben is not an indication that we are bad at making deals, it's in an indication that we want to win with a qb that won't be suspended for at least 4 games,hasn't had a head injury already, and can keep it in his pants.

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#44 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.35
    Originally posted by Ryan72182
    2)The Raiders NOT trading for Big Ben is not an indication that we are bad at making deals, it's in an indication that we want to win with a qb that won't be suspended for at least 4 games,hasn't had a head injury already, and can keep it in his pants.


I see no reason to assume any NFL player "can keep it in his pants." Perhaps you mean, "avoid getting caught taking it out of his pants illegally."



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#45 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.23
    Originally posted by Ryan72182
    It's too bad Jake Locker,out of Washington, didn't come out this year. I'm not a Rams fan, but I like him better than Sanford.


1. No, it isn't. (P.S. Go Huskies.)
2. "Sanford?" LOL.

The Patriots are getting high grades from those who seem to care (Kiper gives them a B- and Scouts Inc. ranks their draft #9 out of 32.) Personally, I'm pretty excited about Gronkowski if he can stay healthy, and the Pats needed LBs so I approve of the two Florida LBs in the second round.



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#46 Posted on
I was watching Sanford and Son reruns. Please forgive me.

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#47 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.51
    Originally posted by lotjx
    The fact that Oakland didn't want Ben that much tells you who bad the Raiders organization is at deal making and how toxic Ben is.


Or it tells you that there was never going to be a trade, the Steelers weren't actively trying to trade him short of saying "who will give us a million picks," and it was ESPN malarkey to hype the draft.
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#48 Posted on
    Originally posted by TheBucsFan
      Originally posted by Ryan72182
      2)The Raiders NOT trading for Big Ben is not an indication that we are bad at making deals, it's in an indication that we want to win with a qb that won't be suspended for at least 4 games,hasn't had a head injury already, and can keep it in his pants.


    I see no reason to assume any NFL player "can keep it in his pants." Perhaps you mean, "avoid getting caught taking it out of his pants illegally."


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Ravens had a pretty awesome draft, Kiper called it the best of all 32 teams. I don't know about THAT (Rams had a real good one too despite their odd 1st pick), but I'm satisfied.



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#50 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.90
I don't follow college football enough to care about most guys, and I don't even know the OL the Skins picked up in the first round. Regardless, with fragile McNabb in the backfield, I love that they are trying to beef up their protection of Donovan.



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WHY GRADING DRAFTS IS STUPID

As a Patriots fan, it was pretty frustrating to figure out my opinion of the Pats' 2010 draft. The Patriots are one of the most common traders in the NFL (they swapped picks seven times on draft day this year), so it was a struggle to figure out what value they got at each spot. After two hours (or maybe three) I've got some answers. I'm sure my boss will be thrilled.

A big problem I have with draft "grades" is that they don't really factor in the entire mechanism of the draft and the complete use of a draft pick as an asset – generally, they merely grade the picks in each spot and that's it. For example, the Patriots left New York last year with a couple of picks in the 2010 draft that had been acquired for 2009 picks. While I'm sure those trades were somewhat factored in to the evaluation of the 2009 draft, the truth is that the 2009 draft has been graded and forgotten, despite the fact that some of the picks only reached their final use this weekend. Nobody ever goes back and adds up the "net" use of a draft pick as an asset, right?

So I decided to retrace the Patriots' 2010 draft – every team gets seven draft picks per season plus compensatory picks, but New England's 2010 draft (as of Thursday morning) had EIGHT picks, including three second-rounders and zero fifth-rounders. Where'd those extra picks come from (or in the case of the missing fifth-rounders, where did they go?)

FIRST, THE EASY STUFF

The Patriots had four compensatory draft choices in 2010 – picks rewarded for having a net "loss" in free agency in 2009. The Patriots lost five players – WR Jabar Gaffney, FB Heath Evans, RB LaMont Jordan, LS Lonie Paxton, and LB Larry Izzo – while importing only CB Brandon McGowan during the 2009 off-season. The NFL rewarded the Patriots with four compensatory, and untradeable, draft choices.

Round 6 – 36th pick (205th overall) = NC State C Ted Larsen
Round 7 – 40th pick (247th overall) = Alabama DT Brandon Deaderick
Round 7 – 41st pick (248th overall) = Georgia DT Kade Weston
Round 7 – 43rd pick (250th overall) = Oklahoma State QB Zac Robinson

Now, the standard picks that were awarded to the Patriots for the 2010 draft that the Patriots actually USED to just pick a player should be easy, right? The Patriots had either the 21st or 22nd pick in each of the seven rounds, so they ended up at 22, 53, 85, 119, 153, 190, and 229. How many of THOSE exact picks did the Patriots use on a player in the 2010 draft? ONE. (Thanks, Bill Belichick.)

Round 2 – 21st pick (53rd overall) = Florida DE Jermaine Cunningham

HEY, WHERE DID THOSE PICKS GO?

The Patriots' original fifth-round pick went to Tampa Bay last season for TE Alex Smith, who was promptly released before the season started. I think we can put that down as an unqualified failure at #153.

The Patriots made another player-for-pick trade to get Oakland DE Derrick Burgess. This trade ended up being extremely complicated – Burgess for a third and a fifth in 2010, only the Pats didn't have a fifth at the time so the deal was amended to "a third and a fourth, unless the Pats get another fifth, in which case the fourth becomes a fifth. " OW MY HEAD HURTS. The Patriots ended up trading DT LeKevin Smith to Denver for Denver's fifth-round pick (#158 overall) to get back into the fifth-round, so the trade ended up looking like this:

NE trades DT LeKevin Smith to Denver for 158th overall pick
NE trades 85th and 158th overall picks to Oakland for DE Derrick Burgess

Was LeKevin Smith and the 85th pick worth Burgess' 35 tackles and 5 sacks? I might like this better if Burgess wasn't going on 33, but five sacks out of a third-round rookie and career back-up Smith probably wasn't going to happen.

After trading those picks for players, and making the pick for Cunningham at #53, here is the state of the Patriots' 2010 draft (with their picks ONLY).

Round 1 – 22nd pick (22nd overall)
Round 2 – 21st pick (53rd overall) – Drafted Florida DE Jermaine Cunningham
Round 3 – 21st pick (85th overall) – Traded to OAK for DE Derrick Burgess
Round 4 – 21st pick (119th overall)
Round 5 – 22nd pick (153rd overall) – Traded to TB for TE Alex Smith
Round 6 – 21st pick (190th overall)
Round 7 – 22nd pick (229th overall)

HEY, WHERE DID THOSE PICKS COME FROM?

The Patriots had three second-round picks headed into the 2010 draft, so where did they get those extra picks? One was a final piece to a multiple-trade down deal that New England had made last year. The Patriots started with the 23rd pick of the first round in 2009, and after making separate trades with Baltimore and Green Bay, they had the 41st, 73rd, and 83rd picks of the 2009 draft. The Patriots used the picks at 41 and 83, and traded the 73rd pick to Jacksonville for Jacksonville's 2010 second-round pick and 2009 7th-round pick (#232 overall). That meant the traded ended up here headed into the 2010 draft:

NE trades 23rd overall pick for 2009 41st overall pick (CB Darius Butler), 2009 83rd overall pick (WR Brandon Tate), 2009 232nd overall pick (WR Julian Edelman), and 2010 44th overall pick

Wow, right? Butler and Edelman turned out to be solid contributors in 2009 and Tate was used mainly on special teams. Throw in the 2010 pick and that's pretty great value for the 23rd overall pick.

The other trade the Patriots made involving a future second-rounder was much simpler, trading their original 2009 third-rounder (89th overall) to Tennessee for their 2010 second-rounder, which turned out to be 47th overall.

The Patriots also traded G Russ Hochstein to Denver for a seventh-round pick.

So with these picks added to their 2010 draft the Patriots were here:

Round 1 – 22nd pick (22nd overall)
Round 2 – 12th pick (44th overall) – Acquired for 2009 73rd overall pick (Originally acquired in deal for 2009 23rd overall pick)
Round 2 – 15th pick (47th overall) – Acquired for 2009 89th overall pick
Round 2 – 21st pick (53rd overall) – Drafted Florida DE Jermaine Cunningham
Round 3 – 21st pick (85th overall) – Traded to OAK for DE Derrick Burgess
Round 4 – 21st pick (119th overall)
Round 5 – 22nd pick (153rd overall) – Traded to TB for TE Alex Smith
Round 6 – 21st pick (190th overall)
Round 6 – 36th pick (205th overall) = Drafted NC State C Ted Larsen (compensatory)
Round 7 – 22nd pick (229th overall)
Round 7 – 24th pick (231st overall) – Acquired for G Russ Hochstein
Round 7 – 40th pick (247th overall) = Drafted Alabama DT Brandon Deaderick (compensatory)
Round 7 – 41st pick (248th overall) = Drafted Georgia DT Kade Weston (compensatory)
Round 7 – 43rd pick (250th overall) = Drafted Oklahoma State QB Zac Robinson (compensatory)

LET'S MAKE A DEAL (OR SEVEN)

First, the simplest deal. At the start of the seventh round, the Patriots made a deal with Washington, trading New England's two seventh-rounders to Washington for the Redskins' seventh-rounder, 208th overall. The Patriots drafted Vanderbilt T Thomas Welch at 208, making the final deal basically this: Welch for Hochstein and the 229th overall pick.

With their first-rounder at 22, the Patriots made two deals to move down. First, they traded with Denver to acquire the 24th and 113th overall picks for the Patriots' 22nd pick. Then the Patriots traded with Dallas, moving from 24th to 27th in round one, while moving UP from 119th to Dallas' pick at 90th overall. Essentially the Patriots added a late third-round pick for nothing, and they used all three other picks they acquired to draft players.

At 44, the Patriots made a two-for-one deal to move up, sending the 44th and 190th picks to Oakland to slide up to 42nd overall. Since this pick was originally part of the package the Patriots received out of the 23rd spot in 2009, you can put those two trades together and come up with this:

2009 23rd overall + 2010 190th overall = Butler + Tate + Edelman + 2010 42nd overall
OR
2009 23rd overall = Butler + Tate + 2010 42nd overall AND SEPARATELY 2010 190th overall = Edelman (drafted at 232 in 2009)

That makes sense, doesn't it? I thought I did.

BELICHICK'S PIECE DE RÉSISTANCE

Now, the only pick that is left to track is the 47th overall pick – the one that was last year's 89th overall pick. The Patriots – as they tend to do – started dealing. First, they traded with Arizona, sending them the 47th pick in exchange for the 58th and 89th overall picks. Then they traded down again sending the 58th pick to Houston for the 62nd and 150th overall picks. So they started here:

2009 89th overall pick

…and moved to here…

2010 62nd overall pick + 2010 89th overall pick + 2010 150th overall pick

THEN, they drafted players at 62 (Florida LB Brandon Spikes) and 150 (Michigan P Zoltan Mesko), but in-between they traded the 89th overall pick to Carolina for the Panthers' 2011 second-rounder! Even if you question the wisdom of drafting a punter in the fifth (which – I hope the guy turns out to be Shane Lechler crossed with Ray Guy), Belichick turned a late third-rounder into TWO second-round picks through separate deals. Awesome.

ADD IT ALL UP AND WHADDAYA GOT?

2009 Round 1 – 23rd pick (23rd overall) – Traded for 2009 41st overall pick (Drafted UConn CB Darius Butler) + 2009 83rd overall pick (Drafted North Carolina WR Brandon Tate) + 2010 42nd overall pick (Drafted Arizona TE Rob Gronkowski)
2009 Round 3 – 25th pick (89th overall) – Traded for 2010 62nd overall pick (Drafted Florida LB Brandon Spikes) + 2010 150th overall pick (Drafted Michigan P Zoltan Mesko) + 2011 Carolina 2nd-round pick
2010 Round 1 – 22nd pick (22nd overall) – Traded for 27th overall pick (Drafted Rutgers CB Devin McCourty) and 90th overall pick (Drafted Ohio WR Taylor Price)
2010 Round 2 – 21st pick (53rd overall) – Drafted Florida DE Jermaine Cunningham
2010 Round 3 – 21st pick (85th overall) – Traded to OAK for DE Derrick Burgess
2010 Round 4 – 21st pick (119th overall) – Traded for 113th overall pick (Drafted Florida TE Aaron Hernandez)
2010 Round 5 – 22nd pick (153rd overall) – Traded to TB for TE Alex Smith
2010 Round 6 – 21st pick (190th overall) – Traded for 2009 232nd overall pick (Drafted WR Julian Edelman)
2010 Round 6 – 36th pick (205th overall) = Drafted NC State C Ted Larsen (compensatory)
2010 Round 7 – 1st pick (208th overall) – Acquired for 2010 229th overall pick and G Russ Hochstein (Drafted Vanderbilt T Thomas Welch)
2010 Round 7 – 40th pick (247th overall) = Drafted Alabama DT Brandon Deaderick (compensatory)
2010 Round 7 – 41st pick (248th overall) = Drafted Georgia DT Kade Weston (compensatory)
2010 Round 7 – 43rd pick (250th overall) = Drafted Oklahoma State QB Zac Robinson (compensatory)




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#52 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.89
    Originally posted by JayJayDean
    WHY GRADING DRAFTS IS STUPID
SINCERE RESPONSE: That was pretty cool and interesting.

SNARKY RESPONSE: If the Patriots got caught cheating more, it would make your tracking a lot easier.



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