If this is true, it'd be incredibly frustrating...
For over a year, HHH has dominated the RAW roster, defeating everyone in site (and huting about half a dozen careers by not helping anyone else get over). As a wrestling fan, I've been looking forward to seeing the heel get his comeuppance- which, in this case, only happens when HHH loses the title.
This reminds me of Hogan's WCW run after the fingerpoke of doom. He ran rougshod over the entire league and humiliated every face a dozen different ways. His feud with Ric Flair was entirely one-sided; they assaulted Flair just about every week, attacked him outside the ring, and had David Flair turn on him. And this when the fans were begging Flair to finally defeat Hogan.
Well, they finally had Flair beat Hogan- but only after a contrived 'double turn' that was supposed to make Flair a heel and Hogan a face. No one bought it, because everyone wanted to see Hogan lose cleanly.
Yeah, yeah... I know, politics, engaged to the owner's daughter, etc. But having HHH turn face while still holding the title is so counter-productive that it's just frustrating.
"Most human problems can be solved by an appropriate charge of high explosives"- Blaster, Uncommon Valor
If this is true, I think that shows on of WWE's problems. They don't seem to let a stable just stay together. I think last time they did it was DX. Every group since then, I believe, has just broken up for no reason or has had guys turn on each other.
P.S.: If HHH goes face to feud with a Orton who is heel, which side is FLair on? I hope Orton.
Originally posted by XPacArmyHere is my question: Is there anyone on RAW, heel or face, that right now would look credible in beating HHH for the title?
If Kane keeps getting built up the way he is, I can see the fans buying him as a major league threat. At this point, it doesn't look like anything will stop the Kane rampage and he seems well on his way to another world title chase.
Coming off a big win against HBK, Chris Jericho could pose a threat. The man's quietly built up a big following as a top heel. And I can see the fans popping for Hunter bashing in the obscenely expensive Jeritron 5000 with a sledgehammer.
The key thing is, the fans would buy them as threats based on the way they've been built up...on paper. But Kane/Hunter and even Jericho/Hunter has been done to death with Triple H coming out on top every time. If WWE wants to go back to these feuds, they have to do something different...like make Hunter actually appear *gasp* VULNERABLE!
Here's the worst case scenario of Trip turning face: It could set up the kayfabe reunion between himself and Vince's daughter before their wedding. As for the other aspects: He already works as a face, with all the odds stacked against him wins he's had over the past year and winning of every feud. Isn't that how a face historically has worked?
Will the woman who left her nine infants at Shea Stadium, please pick them up. They already scored six in the first off Tom Glavine, and know more letters of the alphabet than John Franco.
See that two-letter word at the start there? That's a BIG BIG word.
This is total speculation on the part of the same website who brought us the *exclusive* scoop on the new US Champion being Eddie Guerrero or Chris Benoit...or Matt Hardy...or Billy Gunn. It's making up news when there is none.
Originally posted by redsoxnationHere's the worst case scenario of Trip turning face: It could set up the kayfabe reunion between himself and Vince's daughter before their wedding. As for the other aspects: He already works as a face, with all the odds stacked against him wins he's had over the past year and winning of every feud. Isn't that how a face historically has worked?
Except when they're against HHH, yes.
I don't think HHH's face turn, if it were to happen, would take place until after SummerSlam. While WWE does typically screw everything up these days, I think they'll have enough sense to keep HHH the heel and Goldberg the face in the coming months until SummerSlam.
Then, they can start HHH's face turn. It "works", because it keeps HHH away from the title until WrestleMania. Already, they're building up heel opponents for Goldberg in Jericho and Kane, so that must be the direction they're going in.
In the WWE hierarchy, it doesn't matter who's on top now, but who holds the belt at the end of WrestleMania that denotes how important you are. I'm willing to be that HHH does drop the title now to set up another face run.
I always thought that Triple H's face run failed because they feuded him with Hogan, which forced fans to choose. Had they positioned him against a strong heel, and allowed him to build momentum as a face Undisputed Champion, instead of (a) taking the belt off of him and (b) taking him off TV, they wouldn't have had to take the drastic step of turning him heel.
In fact, I believe that much of the failure of his face run was attributable to the meltdown of the nWo. It seemed as if Hall, Nash, X-Pac, and Shawn Michaels were going to end up being in the group, and they were going to target the champion. This would've led to the still entertaining HHH-HBK match, but with the roles reversed. Since Michaels plays "cocky asshole" so very well, it isn't too much of a stretch to suggest that this Clique Incest would've ended up making Hunter a strong babyface, and not the failure that seems to be tossed around as gospel around the 'Net.
For many reasons, especially ones mentioned already, HHH would need to be destroyed and rebuilt in order to make the babyface turn effective.
Please forgive the following fanfic: He has a big losing streak, perhaps starting on TV building up to some PPV, then a title loss at that PPV, a loss of the rematch, and a continued string of losses for at least a month afterward. At some point his friends abandon him. Here he prevents a premature babyface turn by continuing to speak and wrestle as a heel, just not as arrogantly. The losing streak continues as other heels are being built up. Finally after much humiliation and introspection, he abandons heel mannerisms, and gets a win over (let's say) Maven. Then he works his way up the card, with a humble and friendly character. After his wins, he has a shit-eating grin on his face, waves at the camera, and says "Hi Mom".
It probably won't happen this way. It requires commitment, and I'm not sure HHH could pull off playing a humble character. It might be an excellent test of his acting abilities.
They'll probably go for something cheap like "have a change of heart during an Evolution beatdown of Kevin Nash and switch sides", followed by a twenty minute "why I have forsaken evil" speech at the beginning of the next Raw, which bores all and convinces none.
Here was my idea. They can heat up the rivalry between RAW and SD! by putting HHH in a feud with Brock Lesnar. This would be good (and thus won't happen) because it would allow SD to give the RAW roster as a whole a push. Anyway, Brock could start teasing HHH about Bischoff "handing" him the title last year whereas Brock won his from the Rock when it was still the "undisputed" championship. This can set up a winner-take-all match. HHH loses to Lesnar to great embarrassment, and Bischoff, Flair, and everyone else get down on him because now Brock and Steph are prancing around on SD! with the RAW belt. Trips loses his credibility as they find someone else -- Goldberg, Kane, whoever -- to get it back (at which point RAW and SD! can go their sepearate ways again). At this point, HHH finds himself the underdog having to work his way back up to his next title reign!
So, I roamed over to the WWE's Investor Relations site and those helpful devils posted their Key Business Drivers for December 31st, including the final PPV of 2004: Armageddon. So, barring any miraculous changes in numbers, here's how they did.