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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.70

Credit to pwinsider.com ...

"... WWE has trademarked the names "Taboo Tuesday", "The Establishment" and "The Honor Society", as well as a new logo for Evolution and two new logos for Shawn Michaels. It looks like the latter two could be possible factions in the company."

Hopefully this will lead to the birth of a couple new stables, as this could breath some new life into the storylines ... I can't understand why more haven't been formed because in wrestling's hey-day in the 90's, we had the nWo & DX (both of which, made stars of several mid-carders).

Maybe the news from a while back about Angle wanting form a power stable on Smackdown a la Evolution will come to fruition.





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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.49
    Originally posted by Mayhem
    I can't understand why more haven't been formed because in wrestling's hey-day in the 90's, we had the nWo & DX (both of which, made stars of several mid-carders).

    Maybe the news from a while back about Angle wanting form a power stable on Smackdown a la Evolution will come to fruition.




1. Yeah, but we also had the DOA, Los Boricuas, the Nation, the Dungeon of Doom...
All stables are not built alike. And IMHO, compelling face stables are really tricky to pull off. Besides, there is a danger when forming a stable, that the whole is less than the sum of its parts and an individual can get overshadowed by the group and come out of the experience worse than they went in.

2. I keep hoping that the writers would try to make a clearer differentiation between the two brands. If each show were to have the "one dominant heel supported by his stable," it would appear (on the surface anyway), to further homogenize the shows.

But that's just imho...

(edited by Evil Buddha on 27.8.04 1303)


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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.26
    Originally posted by Evil Buddha
    All stables are not built alike. And IMHO, compelling face stables are really tricky to pull off. Besides, there is a danger when forming a stable, that the whole is less than the sum of its parts and an individual can get overshadowed by the group and come out of the experience worse than they went in.


While that can be said just looking at Evolution has Batista gotten better as a wrestler and become more known than if he stayed a single?Randy Orton wouldnt have the belt IMHO if he wasnt with Evolution.

Cream rises to the top whether you are with a stable or not but I feel as a newcomer in ANY sport/entertainment if you are seen with the right people you are recognised easier.



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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.33
Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels, Booker T, Triple H, Chris Benoit, Steve Austin & The Rock all gained prominance as part of a tag team or stable before going solo and then becoming the champion. You can argue that Eddie Guerrero did also (either with Los Guerreros or the Radicalz).

It's a smart way of building a character. You surround them with established characters and develop their character by playing them off of the others. Plus, you can hide any flaws in the ringwork by having them work primarily in tag matches. Then they develop in the ring and have the depth to have good solo matches. Plus, the breakup of the team or stable is InstaFeud that can basically establish the character as a solo wrestler.



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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.70

Agreeing with Freeway, that's why I think a stable with Angle could really help get Luther over. I mean, the isn't terrible in the ring, has a good look, etc.

Personally I'd like to see Angle, Luther & the Basham Brothers (who are vastly underutilized).




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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.15
I like stables, not really having seen them until recently. (My third anniversary of wrestling fandom was in May.) They lend some consistency and logic to the booking. Stables sustain feuds and give more punch to almost every match by providing context. Instead of thirty or forty random factors bouncing around the arena, each man only out for himself, you have tidier factions of people that are much easier to keep track of.

Also, they make sense from a psychological and political standpoint. Wouldn't you get some guys to watch your back if your workplace was anything like that depicted in WWE storylines?

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The big problem I have had with them, especially a heels vs face "war" is that who's switching or joining up with who is played up too much. I think at the most they should have four, any more than that causes too many problems with story logic IMO (a 10 man stable should be unstoppable). Another problem with the stables is that their motivan is too blurry or sometimes not even made clear at all. I think the titles should be stressed more than anything to give things that 'real sports' feel.
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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.39
I think these could be two possible stables

Angle, Luther Charlie Haas, Renee Dupree & Mark Jindrak (tag team)

I can see this being together maybe just for A sur. Sreies match,

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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.45
When looking at stables we need to look no further then the "Godfathers" of Stables, the Horseman.

The Four Horseman made:
Ric Flair seemed more powerful against large opponents.
Arn Anderson learned to talk.
Ole Anderson got a last run on top.
Tully Blanchard became a super heel.
Lex Lugar became famous.
Barry Windham was no longer a mid card draw.
Sting was kept in the main event level, when his act was on the downfall.
Paul Roma was finally not a jobber.
Brian Pillman got a new character,that put him over.
Chris Benoit was introduced to American fans.
Dean Malenko was shown on the national level.
Sid Vicious became a wrecking machine.
Mongo McMicheals lost his wife to Stone Cold.

A stable in wrestling is like the facts of life..
You take the good, you take the bad, you take them both ....

Face stables are usually not well done in wrestling. The problem with stables trying to be faces is they do heel things. Stables interfere in matches, threaten people, and use force as means of intimidation; Faces are the ones on the receiving end of this treatment.



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The last significant face stable I can recall is the Union (Big Show, Mankind, Test, Ken Shamrock) from the Attitude era, just after Triple H married Steph.

I'll be very intrigued to see how well any face stable does - and how quickly it disappears. Hopefully I'm being wrongly pessimistic and any future face stable is good for business. Stables, at the very least, are good for selling merch.



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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.78
    Originally posted by chill
    The last significant face stable I can recall is the Union (Big Show, Mankind, Test, Ken Shamrock) from the Attitude era, just after Triple H married Steph.

    I'll be very intrigued to see how well any face stable does - and how quickly it disappears. Hopefully I'm being wrongly pessimistic and any future face stable is good for business. Stables, at the very least, are good for selling merch.


I know it's not the last one but DX had a good run as a face stable.

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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.71
I don't think anyone in their right mind would describe The Union as a 'significant' stable, seeing how they lasted all of about 6 weeks. The only thing that came from them was the beginning of the Test/Stephanie/HHH storyline. It didn't help that the most prominent member, Mankind, got injured just after they formed.






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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.69
    Originally posted by chill
    The last significant face stable I can recall is the Union (Big Show, Mankind, Test, Ken Shamrock) from the Attitude era, just after Triple H married Steph.

    I'll be very intrigued to see how well any face stable does - and how quickly it disappears. Hopefully I'm being wrongly pessimistic and any future face stable is good for business. Stables, at the very least, are good for selling merch.


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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.08
In the far recesses of my memory, I recall a WCW face stable from the early 90s called "Dudes with Attitudes." The only members I can remember are Paul Orndorff and JYD.
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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.69
    Originally posted by The Goon
    In the far recesses of my memory, I recall a WCW face stable from the early 90s called "Dudes with Attitudes." The only members I can remember are Paul Orndorff and JYD.


I do believe that Sting & Luger were a part of the group as well, as it was Sting that basically "formed" the stable.




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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.29
The Honor Society? What, are they bringing back Lanny Poffo and Shane Douglas?




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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.69
    Originally posted by Mayhem
      Originally posted by The Goon
      In the far recesses of my memory, I recall a WCW face stable from the early 90s called "Dudes with Attitudes." The only members I can remember are Paul Orndorff and JYD.


    I do believe that Sting & Luger were a part of the group as well, as it was Sting that basically "formed" the stable.


The Dudes With Attitudes were the Steiners, JYD and Orndorff, and their last appearance as a unit was in Sting's corner at the Great American Bash. They were originally called The Super Heroes.

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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.00
Apparently, those insiders at PWInsider are reporting that there may be a New Nation of Domination on Smackdown, starring Teddy Long and some other African American wrestlers. I doubt this is true, but if it is, why would they bring back the Nation instead of creating a new stable or bringing back a stable that was actually over at one time?
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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.95
The problem is with most stables that for every HHH, Orton and Rock, you have an X-Pac, Batista and Savio Vega.
Stables do create stars out of some people and leave behind others who could have made stardom (although none of my earlier examples spring to mind).
As a whole though, i did like the stable battles that went on in the WWF like the Nation/DX (DX's promo imitating the Nation still stands as one of the funniest moments in recent history to me), the Corp/Ministry/Corp. Ministry/DX fued was entertaining for a while but touched on satanic themes that should have gotten the writers shot.
It has been quoted in numerous places (including here) that the WWE entering a 'big crush paradox' period (ie going backwards in time every month)and this could just be their next stop. I'm just gonna bear with them on this one and see where it goes.



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    Originally posted by devineman
    The problem is with most stables that for every HHH, Orton and Rock, you have an X-Pac, Batista and Savio Vega.


I don't think it's fair to lump Batista in there, as I think the guy could be a future champion. He's DEFINITELY got "the look", and he can go pretty well for a big guy (as well as any big the WWE has right NOW). The last two battle royals have featured "big man showdown" segments between Kane and Batista and the crowd was really hot for them both times.



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