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#1 Posted on
I don't miss this show. However, I miss the concept of it. So, here are my idea for a bigger, better than ever P.I.

a) make it an hour, and take less commercial breaks for longer periods of time. I always felt they'd get a discussion off the ground and then it's "we've got to tak e a break." Give them more of a "Crossfire" timeing format.

b) No hosts with agendas. Get a entertaining, non-agenda having host. I felt like, especially in the end, the show became Bill Maher's personal platform for drug legalization and diatribes about religion.

c) No professional pundits! If you're Sunday morning cable shows, you shouldn't be on here. That means you James Carville, Paul Begala, Ann Coulter, and (especially) Jonah Goldberg. It's like playing a pickup game with Joe, Lenny, Bob from accounting, and Dr. J. The professionals always dominated the conversation, spun like mad, and weren't even funny about it. That doesn't mean no people with opinion, or no partisan people. Just no people that do these kind of shows for a living. Amateur hour here folks.

d) speaking of amateurs, more of the "random American" guest. My ideal lineup would be one random American, one obscure political hack/thinktank guy/professor, one funny (and I stress funny) celebrity, and one "other." Try to balance the four out politically, and we've got a show!

The only question is who to host. Any ideas?



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Well, at my college, they had an opportunity for one student to come on as a panelist (hell, the pic of the dean, the student, and Bill is hanging proudly in the communications school), why not have the same for a host? Couldn't be any worse than Maher (at the end). And this coming from a guy who agreed with his stances.



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#3 Posted on
I liked PI when it was first on Comedy Central. It came off as a spoof on all the talking pundit shows. However, when it moved to ABC, it became, at least it seemed to me, that which it had originally made fun of, just another talking pundit show. Except it had, generally, a less intelligent panel of guests.

I liked it when it was funny, but when it became just another big argument-we take ourselves so seriously fest like all the others, I stopped watching.
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One those few occasions that I watched it (at least the ABC/Disney version), I preferred the pundits like Arianna Huffington to the non-political celebrities. Mostly because the celebrities had little more than superficial one-line clichés to contribute. I don't mind having non-pundits, but they had better be able to make coherent arguments about issues. Someone like Frank Zappa would be ideal, if he weren't dead.



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I hated PI because Bill Maher insists on talking AT people and too them. When he's on Leno, he talks AT the audience and not too them. It's just very grating to watch his overblown ego. He acts as if we NEED his opinion, that we need to know what Bill Maher has to say.

What killed the show is who cares what a bunch of C-level celebrities think of the world events? I wanna hear what the experts have to say, and that's why we have news stations and the internet.
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Well, what killed the show was the fact that he didn't jump on the "USA!" bandwagon after 9/11, and that's become the ultimate political incorrectness.

I'm not saying I always agreed with Bill, or even usually agreed with Bill, but he presented opinions that aren't usually heard on network television. Hell, political discussion has been lost on network television. They weren't afraid to show both sides of any issues, booking such extreme polar opposites onto the show as Ann "The Cunt" Coulter and Ralph Nader, occasionally on the same night. (Oh, were those great episodes).

Bill Maher's got a new show coming up on HBO, replacing Dennis Miller. They haven't announced anything officially about the show, but it's expected to follow the PI format, only for an hour and with no commercials, which will at least fix Problem Number One.

I can't see getting a host without any kind of political agenda, though. I can't see finding someone who can take in a heated political discussion every night, but not have any strong opinions about anything, unless you get someone who's completely ignorant of current events. (Although, I'm tempted to say that Jon Stewart would do a fantastic job, but that would be depriving the world of The Daily Show, and that would be the greatest tragedy of our time.)

Colin Quinn's new show is on the order of Politically Incorrect, only replacing the pundits with typically unfunny comedians you've never heard of, and is generally unwatchable. (Tonight, he's supposed to have Jerry Seinfeld and the exteremely funny and extremely hot Sarah Silverman, so if you want to give it a shot, this'll be your best bet. It's on Comedy Central at 11:30, right after the Daily Show. And, you know, it *is* still better than Leno.)



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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.29
What might work would be Maher and some other comedian/pundit in a two-person operation in some sort of bizarro Crossfire style show. It can't be any worse than the real Crossfire...



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#8 Posted on

    Originally posted by Grimis
    What might work would be Maher and some other comedian/pundit in a two-person operation in some sort of bizarro Crossfire style show. It can't be any worse than the real Crossfire...


Personally, I'd vote for Henry Rollins just so I could watch him both physically and intellectually beat the ever living out of Bill Maher after Maher goes on one of his pointless rants. Of course, since I find Bill Maher to be one of the most overrated comedian/commentators allegedly working, your mileage may vary.

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    Originally posted by bash91

      Originally posted by Grimis
      What might work would be Maher and some other comedian/pundit in a two-person operation in some sort of bizarro Crossfire style show. It can't be any worse than the real Crossfire...


    Personally, I'd vote for Henry Rollins just so I could watch him both physically and intellectually beat the ever living out of Bill Maher after Maher goes on one of his pointless rants. Of course, since I find Bill Maher to be one of the most overrated comedian/commentators allegedly working, your mileage may vary.

    Tim



Eh, his stuff might fly over everyone's heads too. And besides, you try pulling him away from "Full Metal Challenge".



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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05
FMC and Junkyard Wars/Scrapheap challenge are my 2 new fav shows...
Rollins is the man....and Cathy is cute to boot...



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I apologize if anyone watched that Colin Quinn show based on my recommendation. That really is the worst show on Comedy Central. It's a half-hour of Colin getting pissed off that no one's laughing at his Leno-esque obvious jokes.



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#12 Posted on
Quinn can be a funny guy... but his delivery ranks up there with Jackie Gayda's. It's like someone printed his cue cards in Urdu and he's translating them in real-time as he speaks.

Watching him was painful when they stuck him in "Weekend Update", which was one of the final nails in SNL's coffin -- nowadays, if my wife has it on, the only thing that'll make me look up is if I hear the Smigel "TV Funhouse" theme.






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    Originally posted by rikidozan
    FMC and Junkyard Wars/Scrapheap challenge are my 2 new fav shows...

    Rollins is the man....and Cathy is cute to boot...



Yeah, but that pretty much goes without saying. Although Lisa Rogers could possibly follow in her footsteps... she still doesn't have the cuteness.



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#14 Posted on

First off I cannot stand Colin Quinn. Don't like his stand up, didn't like him in SNL. Hated him taking Norm MacDonald's place at SNL Weekend Update, he might be one of the worst Weekend Update hosts ever. I cheered when he was replaced. Plus Tina Fey rules all!

OFB I agree totally with you. I don't necessary always agree with Maher, or necessary like him. But he dared to say "Why is there such anti-America sentiment out there". And putting an American flag on your oversized SUV isn't helping matters. And when he dared to say "They were wrong but we have not been without blame either". But saying that it brands you as an anti-American and maybe a even terrorist supporter. He dared to question government actions of the past or present which seems to be a real no-no these days.



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#15 Posted on
Boy, Colin Quinn's gone a long way from Remote Control, Huh?



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#16 Posted on

    OFB I agree totally with you. I don't necessary always agree with Maher, or necessary like him. But he dared to say "Why is there such anti-America sentiment out there". And putting an American flag on your oversized SUV isn't helping matters. And when he dared to say "They were wrong but we have not been without blame either". But saying that it brands you as an anti-American and maybe a even terrorist supporter. He dared to question government actions of the past or present which seems to be a real no-no these days.


You guys are forgetting the biggest part of the equation, ratings!!!!! That's why he's off the air, nobody was watching his show!!! Maher can whine and complain all he wants that he was censored, but the reason he was pulled was because he wasn't making ABC money. Heck, Nightline almost got pulled for the same reason, and they have much, much better ratings than Maher ever got. And it wasn't like he was popping huge numbers before 9/11. And look at his guest list, he had gone from almost A-list stars, to B-list stars, to C-list stars, to by the end "if you had ever been on TV" stars. The ship was sinking.

If the show was making money, he could have said whatever he wanted and no one would have cared at ABC.
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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05

    Originally posted by drjayphd

      Originally posted by rikidozan
      FMC and Junkyard Wars/Scrapheap challenge are my 2 new fav shows...

      Rollins is the man....and Cathy is cute to boot...



    Yeah, but that pretty much goes without saying. Although Lisa Rogers could possibly follow in her footsteps... she still doesn't have the cuteness.



OMG i'm sooooooo torn on Lisa. she's looks cute from some angles, and in others she looks like she'd rip your balls off with her teeth just to see the expression on your face.

And Kryten is the perfect host for the show. now, if they could just lure Lister from Robot Wars UK and move him to, oh... the Junkyard, and get rid of Tyler....The new chick is H-O-T HOT baby, but i still missed Cathy until she made her tryumphant return w/ FMC...



DDP: Well, there's this little passage I got memorized, Diamond Dallas 25:17. Sort of fits this occasion:

"The path of the bookerman is beset on all sides by the inequities of the talented, and the tyranny of workrate freaks. Blessed is he, who in the name of tradition and sports entertainment carries the stiffs through the matches of Nitro, for he is truly the workrate's keeper, and the finder of lost quality. And I will lay the smack down upon thee with great vengeance and furious roid rage those who attempt to outwrestle and expose my brothers. And you will know my name as the Bookerman, when I lay my catchphrase upon thee!"

DDP & Kevin: *BANG!* *BANG!* *BANG!* *BANG!* *BANG!* *BANG!* *BANG!* *BANG!* *BANG!* *BANG!* *BANG!* *BANG!*

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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.95

    Originally posted by vsp
    Quinn can be a funny guy... but his delivery ranks up there with Jackie Gayda's. It's like someone printed his cue cards in Urdu and he's translating them in real-time as he speaks.

    Watching him was painful when they stuck him in "Weekend Update", which was one of the final nails in SNL's coffin -- nowadays, if my wife has it on, the only thing that'll make me look up is if I hear the Smigel "TV Funhouse" theme.





Thank god someone else has pointed that out. I am mystified as to why Colin Quinn still gets TV time.



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#19 Posted on
I've heard him on radio (mostly on Opie & Anthony) many times, and he can be quite funny there, probably because he doesn't have a live camera staring him in the face and he's not the center of attention then. Of course, I'd be the same way if I tried doing that, but nobody's offering me a show on cable...

I watched one episode of Tough Crowd (mainly because Jim Norton was a guest), and not only was Quinn in total deer-in-headlights mode, but he was contagious -- Norton looked totally out of his element, and barely got a word in. When Norton did his one prepared set of lines at the end (the call for jihad against Rosie O'Donnell), he had Quinn's reading-it-off-of-index-cards stilted speech patterns; it was funny, but maybe that's a big reason why Norton hasn't gotten a show yet, either. (That and the whole "yellow discipline" thing, but that's another story.)


Coming back full circle... my biggest problem with ABC's version of PI was that it was a half-hour show. The discussion would just start getting interesting and FOLKS WE'RE OUT OF TIME! Depending on the panel of guests, sometimes that could be merciful, but there were many nights that I wished they'd just keep it going or air Part Two the next night.


(edited by vsp on 17.12.02 0818)


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