Here on New York sports radio stations everyone is bashing the Mets for not getting Lou Pinella. They said that the Mets got beat by the Devil Rays. Instead of Art Howe, who did a very good job with Oakland, they say they should've gotten Lou or waited for Dusty and son. So the question is who got the best deal?
I say Seattle got the best deal. They lost a manager, but they gained an All-Star player in Randy Winn. He led Tampa Bay in Batting Average, Steals, Runs, and RBIs last year. I'm not a Mets fan, but to criticize them for refusing to part with their top minor league shortstop in exhange for a manager is unfair.
I agree, the M's got Randy Winn for nothing. Lou wasn't managing anywhere this year regardless, and they got a great outfielder who can hit 2nd behind Ichiro.
I do think that the Mets made a fine choice in Art Howe. His personality will work in that clubhouse and the Mets hope that he has the same kind of success the last time a low key manager who had been succesful, but never won anything came to the city: Joe Torre.
I also think it's sad Willie Randolph doesn't have a job yet. He's a good baseball man and probably could've done a better job than some of these guys(i.e. the Buck Martinez experiment in Toronto) and could be a good fit with a developing younger club in either Florida or Montreal.
I think that Winn replacing the revolving left field door will add some stability to the outfield. It will be a huge defensive upgrade as well over Ruben Sierra and Mark MeLemore in left. Winn, Cameron and Suzuki will be an excellent defensive alignment.
I think Willie Randolph needs to take a job managing a minor league team. That's how Eric Wedge got his job. That's how Ken Macha got his job. It's not enough to have the "name" recognition without paying your dues. I think Alan Trammell will find out all too soon that his name will not take him very far.
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M's got the better end of the deal, no question. The Ray's will STILL go no where.
Meanwhile, the Mets made a smart move. Howe dealt with the rowdy A's crew and busted them down to size this season, and look how far they went (they won the division title). he'll do fine with the Mets.
Trammel had a head for the game and a sound baseball mind. If anyone could do the "player-to-manager" switch it'd be him. Mind you he's with the Tigers, so it'd be a long season.
And I swear EVERY YEAR since Cito Gaston left, Buck Martinez was mentioned for the Jays job. it had to be a good seven years or something like that. He still sucked though =)
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As odd as this may sound, I don't think that the Mets bringing in Howe will change much of anything. Right now, they're eating big contracts for underachievers (see Burnitz, Jeremy; Cedeno, Roger), which puts Howe in a bind; after all, you have to play the big-money guys, right? (Well, in theory.) The outfield is still a mess, the infield situation is shaky at best. Mo Vaughn needs to play better for the money he's making, Alfonzo's on the way out, which is going to hurt next year.
My point? Howe will do the best job he can. However, it won't matter, mainly due to the fact that Steve Phillips has signed the team into the ground for the next few years.
The Mets biggest mistake is going to be getting rid of Edgardo Alfonzo. He was their best hitter last year in terms of batting average. He can play third base, second base, and can hit for some power: 20-25 HRs. They'd rather have a Burnitz who was never better than a Rob Deer. Has HRs with lots of strikeouts and a .220 average.
Originally posted by GrimisI do think that the Mets made a fine choice in Art Howe. His personality will work in that clubhouse and the Mets hope that he has the same kind of success the last time a low key manager who had been succesful, but never won anything came to the city: Joe Torre.
That's right! Joe Torre did a wonderful job of managing the Mets!
Kidding of course, it was his first job. Howe will be fine.
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Hopefully Ken Macha has learned that Barry Zito must pitch more than once to win a series... and how's Art gonna manage the mess of the Mets? Unless Bobby V had multiple personalities (anything's possible), he never came across as a by-the-book Showalteresque guy. Sure Art got the most out of Giambi etc, but those guys produced!
And Lou just got tired of Seattle and the pressure. I think he'd rather know there's very little chance of passing the Jays or Sox rather than knowing he has to fight Oakland and Anaheim each year.
Originally posted by darkdragoonAnd Lou just got tired of Seattle and the pressure. I think he'd rather know there's very little chance of passing the Jays or Sox rather than knowing he has to fight Oakland and Anaheim each year.
No, Lou said he wanted to go home. That's it. No "tired of Seattle." No "too much pressure." Both of his parents are old and ailing and he had to rush back to Tampa for some emeregency in Spetember and it took him 20 hours to get there. Not good. Ultimately I think his wife Anita (or as I call her from now on, Yoko) pretty much made him do it, but that's just conjecture on my part based on the TV interviews Lou did with her sitting there next to him. I never saw her much in the years Lou was here, but she's next to him in interviews, at the press conference her signed at, maybe she'll be in the dugout too.
I like the optimism about Randy Winn helping the M's out, because the attitude here is basically, "wow, there going to pick one of these four jabronies (Riggleman, Melvin, Perlozzo, or Bell) to replace Lou instead of Dusty and that sucks.
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Bob Melvin is going to be a good manager somewhere someday. I'm just not sure the time is right in Seattle. Riggleman and Bell won't do anything. Perlozzo is a wildcard. The M's would be better off letting Edgar Martinez be the DH/Manager and let the chips fall where they may.
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