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#41 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.34
    Originally posted by StingArmy
    I'll admit it would probably take historical levels of snow to cause travel problems significant enough to do what I hypothesized. But I think it is worth mentioning because it was just this year that we DID have historical levels of snow. I know flights get delayed (and even canceled) all the time, but surely you must remember reading about the nightmares all over the country this winter. Some airports were completely shut down for days. You're right, if people are traveling the day of or the day before the Super Bowl they are asking for trouble regardless of what the weather is supposed to be like, but if flights aren't available for days at a time, it could cause nightmares even for people who tried to plan ahead.

They could always take a later flight or go by train or drive or whatever. Generally though, if you're only worrying about freaky-assed historical weather (probably not the correct terminology) screwing things up then that's a chance you take wherever you play. Last game that got postponed due to weather was in Houston (Hurricane Ike) right? Chances might be higher in NY, but it's still vanishingly unlikely.

Anyway because I'm a geek (and possibly to avoid doing work) I Googled where SB tickets are allocated. Apparently 35% go to the two teams taking part, with a further 1.2% going to the other 29 "non-host" teams*. In instances where the two participants are from chilly places (recently and off the top of my head - NE v Philly, NE v NY) then that's at least 35% of attendees who would be subject to freaky-assed historical weather screwing things up at their end. Even if only one participant is from a cold weather place then still, nearly a fifth of your audience is subject to freaky weather endangering attendance but I can't remember there ever being problems.

Like I say, I'm not denying there is some sort of risk due to weather messing up the travel side of things, but I'd wager contingency plans would be formulated well in advance to deal with such things. Extra trains would be laid on, flights to nearby airports followed by free buses to the host city would be arranged. It's the Super Bowl we're talking about. They'll move mountains to make it a success, and I think it'll take something utterly catastrophic of near natural disaster proportions to stop them getting people there and having it go ahead as planned.

*FWIW it seems 5% goes to the host city and 25% to corporates and the like. So now you know. Unless you already knew. In which case, eh, you still do I guess, but I feel marginally less useful.
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#42 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.44
Who knew this topic could get people so cranky with each other.

I attended Super Bowl 41 and was MISERABLE in the cold pouring rain. Yeah it was Miami, but it was still February and cold rain. I won the tickets and will probably never get to go again.
I wouldn't wish that on any other fans at a future game and there's a big likelihood that could happen in NJ, though fans would be more likely to be better prepared.
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#43 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.72
Oh, I'm not cranky! I think this is actually a pretty good, level-headed discussion.

To further explain my point, I'm not saying having a Super Bowl in New York means we are LIKELY going to have the game postponed or moved. I just wanted to point out that if there ever was going to be a Super Bowl where that might happen, I think this is it. Other than hurricane weather, I can't think of anything besides heavy snowfall that could do that.

- StingArmy
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#44 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.63
    Originally posted by Zeruel
      Originally posted by Sec19Row53

      Just curious - would you enjoy a 1-0 baseball game? I do, because each pitch is that much more important.


    This isn't directed at you, but why is it in American sports culture that a 1-0 baseball or hockey is a great game, but a 1-0 soccer match (or a 0-0 draw) a crime against humanity?


I don't remember the last time a hockey player had another guy skate near him, and he dropped to the ground grabbing his 'injury' and writhing in 'pain' until he realized no penalty would be called and made a miraculous return to full power.

If it wasn't for the grass diving, soccer would be a much more popular sport in America.
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#45 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.16
    Originally posted by StaggerLee
      Originally posted by Zeruel
        Originally posted by Sec19Row53

        Just curious - would you enjoy a 1-0 baseball game? I do, because each pitch is that much more important.


      This isn't directed at you, but why is it in American sports culture that a 1-0 baseball or hockey is a great game, but a 1-0 soccer match (or a 0-0 draw) a crime against humanity?


    I don't remember the last time a hockey player had another guy skate near him, and he dropped to the ground grabbing his 'injury' and writhing in 'pain' until he realized no penalty would be called and made a miraculous return to full power.

    If it wasn't for the grass diving, soccer would be a much more popular sport in America.

Fans somehow overlook flopping to draw charges in the NBA, QB's whining for penalties and WR's complaining for 40 yard Pass Interference penalties for being harshly breathed upon in the NFL, and the general lack of anyone doing anything physical in MLB.

Soccer is a game where guys are spread out over a very big field, the moments of excitement are few and far between, and all the best players are distinctly not American. Soccer will never be a top-tier sport in America, but I think the flopping argument is a post hoc justification for the much more general distaste most people have for the game. I mean really, if baseball hadn't been around for over a century here, I suspect it would probably have about the same level of general affection if someone tried to import it now with mostly Japanese and Dominican players dominating.



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#46 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.72
I can't tell if you're being serious, but there's absolutely no way that floppers are the only thing holding soccer back in America. You do realize that people flop in basketball all the time too, right? Maybe not like the most notorious soccer floppers, but still.

I know when I was grade school-age all of my non-soccer-playing friends thought soccer was a wimpy sport. And I do mean all of them. That couldn't be helping the sport's popularity. Thankfully, I think that perception has slowly gone away, or at least decreased, over the years.

But the thing that is still holding it back is the relatively slow pace of the game. The pitch is so big and the game is so continuous, the action is by necessity very methodical. It's like the sports version of chess.

Football is on a field of similar size but there are a bazillion breaks between like 100+ spurts of intense action.

Basketball and hockey are played on relatively small playing surfaces and all the players in each sport play offense and defense without switching off like in football. The action is continuous and fast-paced.

Baseball is probably the closest sport to soccer in terms of pacing, but baseball focuses on a series of 1-on-1 matchups (i.e., batters versus pitchers) and also has brief spurts of intense action (when the ball is hit) similar to football. Plus we've had several decades to come to appreciate our (alleged) national pastime. Soccer is someone else's baby.

Simply put, it's all in the pacing.

- StingArmy

(edited by StingArmy on 27.5.10 1301)
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#47 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.67
    Originally posted by StaggerLee

    I don't remember the last time a hockey player had another guy skate near him, and he dropped to the ground grabbing his 'injury' and writhing in 'pain' until he realized no penalty would be called and made a miraculous return to full power.

    If it wasn't for the grass diving, soccer would be a much more popular sport in America.


A.J. Pierzynski faked getting hit by a pitch just two months ago.

Basketball has seen its share of dives, including one recently where even Shaq had his motives questioned.

You'd never see it in hockey because that guy would be getting his teeth knocked out two minutes later, but the other sports have their share of issues in that area.
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#48 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.34
    Originally posted by StingArmy
    Oh, I'm not cranky! I think this is actually a pretty good, level-headed discussion.
Nah, not cranky at all. Well, maybe a little earlier on with CajunMan, but a mere mortal is I.

    Originally posted by dwaters
    I attended Super Bowl 41 and was MISERABLE in the cold pouring rain.

If you luck out and get stuck with tickets for NJ, I'll step up to the plate and take 'em of your hands. No charge, I'm just that nice of a guy

Seriously though, I'm not advocating Super Bowls in shitty weather the whole time. I'm perfectly happy with them being indoors or in warmer climes a disproportionate amount of the time, but once in a while I think they should venture where chill winds blow so people in NY, NJ, Washington, Pennsylvania or wherever can get to experience a SB in their home town/state.

Assuming those places have the facilities and infrastructure to cope of course, but that's a whole other thing.



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#49 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.23
    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    If it wasn't for the grass diving, soccer would be a much more popular sport in America.


But soccer is AWESOME. ESPN tells me so. (Also, the World Cup starts June 11 on ESPN.)


DISCLAIMER: I actually enjoy soccer. The Inter/Bayern Champions League final was quite good, and most of the quarter and semifinals of Champions League were awesome matches.

I have some friends who don't like basketball because "they score too much". Diff'rent strokes, as they say.



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#50 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.63
I actually ENJOY watching soccer.
It would be better without the diving, and some more intense play. But, that's just my point of view.

I know there's diving in basketball, well, flopping actually, but I don't really watch that much, and haven't seen a full game in at least 8 years, and that was because I went to a game.

Soccer isn't a good sport for TV.
The same way hockey is better in person. Back in 96 I saw the USA play some Central American team (I want to say it was Ecuador, but I could be wrong) and it was a fantastic event. It didn't hurt that me and my daughter sat in the middle of a big cheering section from the other country.

But, to watch it on tv, it's not as fun.
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#51 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.04
    Originally posted by Zeruel
      Originally posted by Sec19Row53

      Just curious - would you enjoy a 1-0 baseball game? I do, because each pitch is that much more important.


    This isn't directed at you, but why is it in American sports culture that a 1-0 baseball or hockey is a great game, but a 1-0 soccer match (or a 0-0 draw) a crime against humanity?

I'll bite, anyway :). It seems that 1-0 soccer matches are common, as are low scoring games (i.e., 2-1, 1-1, 2-0). Baseball games are frequently much higher scoring. So much so that a 1-0 game is called boring by some baseball fans. I don't think the typical American sports fan knows enough about 'the beautiful game' to appreciate it.

Me personally? I've never been able to get into soccer, so it's a moot point. It's the same for me and the NHL. You better believe I watch the Stanley Cup Playoffs every year, but I can't get into the regular season. I'll watch the World Cup, but wouldn't think of watching a friendly on TV.

RE: Bad Weather for the Super Bowl

My wife and I have a saying (which we ripped off from a local sporting goods store) - There's no such thing as bad weather, only inappropriate clothing. If you dress right, you won't be miserable.
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#52 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.91
In terms of snow potentially causing people not to get to the game: They've had Super Bowls in Detroit and Minnesota, with Indianapolis coming up. Snow is a definite possibility that could cause roads to be hazardous or problems with flights. As for the people attending the game: If you don't want to deal with the elements, I'm sure some television station will be broadcasting the game. As for the quality of the game: If the NFL hasn't lost their fans from all the poor quality post-season games played in Green Bay, Chicago, the Meadowlands, Pittsburgh, Philly and Foxboro through the years, they could survive another post-season game in the potential elements. And, some of the absolute least competitive pro football games were Super Bowls in the Superdome in the 80's and 90's.
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#53 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.36
I'm not convinced it's a good idea to hold a Super Bowl outdoors in a cold-weather city. At best, it might be 50 degrees out, and at worst, you're looking at a possible blizzard. Either way, I can't imagine the weather will be particularly pleasant, and I think that when you're having teams competing in a world championship game, you should try and create the best possible environment for the players to go out and show their best work. To say nothing of the fact that it won't be pleasant from the fans' standpoint. Who wants to pay $4,000 for a ticket to the game and then have to pay for $6 hot chocolates constantly just to stay warm?



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