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#81 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.24
    Originally posted by Psycho Penguin
    But then they'd split up Cal and USC.


This is not an issue. They promised Colorado a South Division-spot. Utah is going to be their partner in the conference, so they will go in the same division.

If they stick with nine conference games for football, I think they will most likely play the five intradivision games and then play one of the "groups" of two in the other conference (one home, one away) and then one each of the other two schools (one home, one away), rotating the schedule each year. I'm guessing Washington's schedule will look like this.

2011 - five intradivision games (WSU, UO, OSU, Cal, Stanford) plus at Colorado, vs. Utah, at USC, vs. Arizona State

2012 - vs. USC, at UCLA, at Arizona, vs. Colorado

2013 - vs. Arizona, at Arizona State, at Utah, vs. UCLA

That way each team plays every team in the other divisions home-and-away over a three year span.

Also, I HATE this set-up. I would prefer they have the division records, but the Big XII did that for a while and apparently it was too tough to follow or something.



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#82 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.35
    Originally posted by Psycho Penguin
    I'm not sure how Boise, Idaho is a better idea than Salt Lake City, Utah. I'd even take BYU before Boise. Boise is about as attractive as Wyoming is. Boise definitely has something going for it in terms of a national market, being in the BCS and beating Oklahoma a few years ago and all that, but their local TV market is very small and conferences look at that. Also, outside of football and basketball, what exactly does Boise play? Pac 10 plays a lot of sports outside of football and basketball, not sure how California schools and Boise, Idaho would mesh in those.


This had been and is about Football when it comes to realignment. Do you think the ACC wanted VT and Miami because of their Basketball programs?

In the last five years, Utah was 47-17, with one undefeated season. Boise state was 58-8 with two undefeated seasons.



    Maryland is a founding member of the ACC and not leaving.


That didn't stop charter member of the ACC South Carolina going independent back in 1971.

    Originally posted by redsoxnation
    With Utah going to the Pac 10, I wonder if the good Senator Hatch will suddenly lose his anti-BCS fervor?


I hope not.



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    Originally posted by Zeruel
      Originally posted by Psycho Penguin
      I'm not sure how Boise, Idaho is a better idea than Salt Lake City, Utah. I'd even take BYU before Boise. Boise is about as attractive as Wyoming is. Boise definitely has something going for it in terms of a national market, being in the BCS and beating Oklahoma a few years ago and all that, but their local TV market is very small and conferences look at that. Also, outside of football and basketball, what exactly does Boise play? Pac 10 plays a lot of sports outside of football and basketball, not sure how California schools and Boise, Idaho would mesh in those.


    This had been and is about Football when it comes to realignment. Do you think the ACC wanted VT and Miami because of their Basketball programs?


They wanted VT and Miami because of the football programs. VT and Miami are slightly more valuable in terms of anything than Boise State though.



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#84 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.35
    Originally posted by Psycho Penguin
      Originally posted by Zeruel
        Originally posted by Psycho Penguin
        I'm not sure how Boise, Idaho is a better idea than Salt Lake City, Utah. I'd even take BYU before Boise. Boise is about as attractive as Wyoming is. Boise definitely has something going for it in terms of a national market, being in the BCS and beating Oklahoma a few years ago and all that, but their local TV market is very small and conferences look at that. Also, outside of football and basketball, what exactly does Boise play? Pac 10 plays a lot of sports outside of football and basketball, not sure how California schools and Boise, Idaho would mesh in those.


      This had been and is about Football when it comes to realignment. Do you think the ACC wanted VT and Miami because of their Basketball programs?


    They wanted VT and Miami because of the football programs. VT and Miami are slightly more valuable in terms of anything than Boise State though.


You proved and then completely missed my point.



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Your point was they wanted Boise simply for football. Which is fine but there's more to go into a conference invitation than 'you guys have been really good at football for almost a decade'. My point was that the ACC wanted Miami and VT for the football programs yet found other reasons that bringing them along would be beneficial. There's no real reason for a conference to bring in Boise over Utah. Utah is pretty good at football too.



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#86 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.35
    Originally posted by Psycho Penguin
    My point was that the ACC wanted Miami and VT for the football programs yet found other reasons that bringing them along would be beneficial.


And those other reasons would be what exactly? The "great" TV market of Blacksburg, VA?



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I think it was to appease Virginia. They had to bring BC along also to appease someone, although I don't remember the circumstances behind that. They mainly wanted Miami in the beginning, then got VT and BC a bit later on.

Why would you choose Boise over Utah if you're the Pac 10 exactly? I don't see how comparing VT over.. no one in particular (the ACC didn't have a ton of options to expand) is like comparing Boise over Utah.



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#88 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.35
    Originally posted by Psycho Penguin
    They had to bring BC along also to appease someone, although I don't remember the circumstances behind that.


Miami. I remember that being a deal breaker and there was alot of pressure from Miami to take them over Syracuse.



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#89 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.91
    Originally posted by Zeruel
      Originally posted by Psycho Penguin
      They had to bring BC along also to appease someone, although I don't remember the circumstances behind that.


    Miami. I remember that being a deal breaker and there was alot of pressure from Miami to take them over Syracuse.







They took Va. Tech because the Virginia legislature didn't want Tech to get left out in the cold. That bumped out Syracuse. They took BC for the Boston/New England TV market, not realizing the Boston TV market doesn't care about college sports.
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    Originally posted by hansen9j
      Originally posted by thecubsfan
      Here's the link.

      Is there that big of an upgrade from the WAC to the MWC?
    I think it will be, assuming the Big 12 goes bye-bye, because the MWC supposedly steps in as a BCS conference. (But damned if I can find the thread on The-W when the methodology of determining BCS conferences was discussed; it was when there was talk that the Big East was going to be ranked too low to qualify.)


http://www.bcsfootball.org/news/story?id=5126859

I need to put in the data from the past few years to see which mid-major might move up, if any.


    BCS Future Automatic Qualification Standards

    Under the terms of the agreements with the bowls and television rightsholder, the ACC, Big East, Big 10, Big 12, Pac-10 and SEC will have annual automatic qualification for their champions for the 2010-11, 2011-12, 2012-13 and 2013-14 seasons.

    Results from the 2008, 2009, 2010 and 2011 regular seasons will be evaluated to determine whether a seventh conference earns automatic qualification for the 2012-13 and 2013-14 bowl games. The process is as follows:

    *The evaluation includes the following for each conference (1) the ranking of the highest-ranked team in the final BCS Standings each year (if a conference does not place a team in the final BCS Standings, then its highest-ranked team is determined by the conference member that has the highest average ranking in the computer rankings used in the BCS Standings), (2) the final regular-season rankings of all conference teams in the computer rankings used by the BCS each year, and (3) the number of teams in the top 25 of the final BCS Standings each year, with adjustments to account for differences in the number of members of each conference.

    A conference will become the seventh automatic qualifier if it finishes among the top six conferences in both No. 1 and No. 2 and if its ranking in No. 3 is equal to or greater than 50 percent of the conference with the highest ranking in No. 3.

    *Further, a conference will be eligible to apply to the Presidential Oversight Committee for an exemption if it finishes among the top six in both No. 1 and No. 2 and if its ranking in No. 3 is equal to or greater than 33.3 percent of the conference with the highest ranking in No. 3, OR

    If it finishes among the top seven in either No. 1 or No. 2 and among the top five in the other and if its ranking in No. 3 is equal to or greater than 33.3 percent of the conference with the highest ranking in No. 3.

    No. 3 above, the "Top 25 Performance Rating," will be calculated as follows: Points will be awarded to the conferences based on their teams' finishes in the top 25 of the final BCS Standings each year. Points will be awarded as follows:

    Teams finishing 1-6: 4 points for each team

    Teams finishing 7-12: 3 points for each team

    Teams finishing 13-18: 2 points for each team

    Teams finishing 19-25: 1 point for each team

    The point totals will be adjusted to account for the size of the conference, as follows:

    Conference membership | Adjustment

    12 or more members | no adjustment

    10 or 11 members | points increased by 12.5 percent

    9 or fewer members | points increased by 25 percent

    *The computations will be made according to the conference's membership on Dec. 4, 2011.




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#91 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.66
Average1stComp RankAdj Top 25
ACC1045.496.5
Big 124.2544.7510.13
Big East7.541.827.81
Big Ten4.547.310
C-USA4281.80
MAC4389.20.25
MWC9.561.827.81
Pac-10643.738.25
SEC1.7535.1913
Sun Belt58.2594.320
WAC38.7582.110.94


I can't guarantee I did this right. All teams were moved to their future conferences, to give an idea of what the numbers would look like. Low numbers are good in the first two categories, high numbers are good in the 3rd.

I assumed "(2) the final regular-season rankings of all conference teams in the computer rankings used by the BCS each year" meant an average of the ranking of each conference member.

Over the last four years the future MWC (current MWC + Boise - Utah) ranks above the ACC in the 1st category and ranks high enough in the 3rd category. But that's not enough for automatic entry. For that, they'd need to move their average conference rank down past that of the Big Ten (they could probably do that if they cleared some of the weak football schools out, but that seems unlikely). Their numbers would be high enough to allow them to apply to the Presidential Oversight Committee for an exemption.
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