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#21 Posted on
Yep, especially with the way the closer role works. Every year 1 or 2 of them blows up and is never a good closer again and every year 1 or 2 of them come out of nowhere and become really good. I'd take the starter, period. It's a little less risky.

That and if you have an awesome closer and a bunch of shitty starters how much of an impact can said closer REALLY make?

(edited by BobHollySTILLRules on 3.8.02 2142)


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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.33
    Originally posted by BobHollySTILLRules
    Yep, especially with the way the closer role works. Every year 1 or 2 of them blows up and is never a good closer again and every year 1 or 2 of them come out of nowhere and become really good. I'd take the starter, period. It's a little less risky.

    That and if you have an awesome closer and a bunch of shitty starters how much of an impact can said closer REALLY make?

    (edited by BobHollySTILLRules on 3.8.02 2142)




Depending on the offense, closers CAN close 9-8 games you know =)

That said, I'd take the starter no problem.

(edited by El Nastio on 4.8.02 0123)



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#23 Posted on
I think Smoltz is MVP for the Braves because without him our saveman would be freakin Tim Spooneybarger.(SP?)


Schill will get the CY Young but if Smotlzy gets 50+ plus saves he deserves it.



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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.33
If ANY closer had Maddux and Glavine in the starting rotation they BETTER have a huge load of saves.




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#25 Posted on

    Originally posted by El Nastio
    If ANY closer had Maddux and Glavine in the starting rotation they BETTER have a huge load of saves.



Thats true but I have noticed that Smoltzy is only used when Atlanta has a 1-2 run lead,if its over that its Spooneybarger or someone else.

The past couple of games they haven't needed him because they've won by 5+ runs.So he's kinda stuck at 38/39 saves at the moment.

But I'm probably stating the obvious.



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Both a closer with a huge number of saves and a starter that can possibly win 25+ games (amazing) are exceptional to have. I would pick the starter every time over a closer because not only does the starter give you exceptional games they usually can go longer then your mediocre starters saving wear and tear on your bullpen.

The ideal match is a great starter or two and a good closer or having two or more good starters and a great closer. If your stock with a good closer and no starter or vice versa... your in trouble.



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There's still a long way to go. I'm surpriseed nobody is consideering Randy Johnson. Schilling could stall out and be surpassed by his taller, uglier teammate. Johnson's got 15 wins and a better ERA than Schilling's (although not by much- 0.07). They're 1-2 in strikeouts, although I was shocked to see Schilling leads. They each have nine or ten starts left (hopefully), so things could change. I'm not condering Smoltz because I can't give the Cy Young to a reliever and I've got tons of hate for the Braves. No one else is close to the two d-backs.
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My picks for the various awards:

NL Cy Young - Schilling. Yeah, Smoltz is having a great year, but as others have said, he's a reliever, and they have their own award: Fireman of the Year.

AL Cy Young - If Pedro keeps pitching the rest of the season the way he has for the past few weeks, he's a mortal lock. If not, it could be anybody's to win. A lot of AL guys are pitching very well, but none of them are really standing out right now.

NL MVP - My heart wants me to say Adam Dunn, because he's played very well and he's carried the Reds thusfar this season. Without him, the Reds would be doing battle with the Pirates and Cubs to see who gets to finish just ahead of the Brewers. But my head knows that the flashier numbers of a Lance Berkman or a Vlad Guerrero, both of whom have also carried their respective clubs, will win it.

AL MVP - If statistics were the only yardstick, A-Rod would win it hands down. However, since MVP is about who helps their team the most, and A-Rod's team would be awful with or without him, he's out. Personally, I vote for Ichiro, who, like my NL MVP picks, has put up awesome numbers and manufactured wins while he carried his team, who've for the most part underachieved up and down the lineup. Without Ichiro, people would only be talking about the Angels and A's in the AL West.

NL Rookie of the Year - Ishii, in my opinion, is not a rookie. Yes, this is his first year in MLB, but all his great years in the Japanese leagues counts as more than just minor league experience, in my book. My second pick, Junior Spivey, probably had a few too many at bats last season and is no longer eligible. So that leaves just Austin Kearns, Mark Prior, and Josh Fogg. Besides being a Red, Kearns has put up the best numbers of those three and gets my vote.

AL Rookie of the Year - Um... Hm. I'll go with Hinske, because he's pretty much the only AL Rookie I'm even familiar with. Since the name stands out, I'm assuming he's a stand-out player.


NL Manager of the Year - Tough call. Bob Boone, Tony LaRusa, Frank Robinson, Jim Tracy, and Jeff Torborg all deserve serious consideration. Of those 5, though, only LaRusa has his team in first place in his division right now, and of the remaining four, Tracy is the only one with a real shot at capturing first. With that in mind, it makes LaRusa's job this season, with a patchwork rotation, the death of great pitcher and clubhouse leader Darryl Kile, and the free agent bust that is Tino Martinez at a key offensive position that much more impressive. I don't like the guy, but I've got to vote for Tony here.

AL Manager of the Year - Either Lou Piniella or Grady Little. Lou deserves props for winning despite having an underwhelming offense. Still, I'm leaning more towards Little, though, because of the way he completely turned around the ugliest clubhouse in the majors and made the BoSox enjoy the game, and contend, again.

(edit: fixed some spelling and grammar mistakes)

(edited by Zaphod on 4.8.02 1541)
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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.09
NL Cy Young: Randy Johnson. I know Schilling has a great K/BB ratio, but a relativly high ERA. The Unit is just money.

AL Cy Young: Who knows? Lowe?

NL MVP: Vlad deserves serious consideration, as does Dunn, Andruw Jones, Lance Berkman, Junior Spivey, etc.

AL MVP: Torii Hunter or Alfonso Soriano. It should be one of those two. They mean so much to their teams that they would be nothing without them. A-Rod should not be conisdered because the Rangers would still suck without him. Using that logic, Melvin Mora should win the award.

NL ROY: How about consideration for Austin Kearns?

AL ROY: Rodrigo Lopez or Jorge Julio. Two great young pitchers having great years.

NL Manager: Tony LaRussa.

AL Manager: Ron Gardenhire, especially given the circumstances and the injuries to their pitching staff.
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#30 Posted on

    Originally posted by Zaphod
    My picks for the various awards:

    NL Manager of the Year - Tough call. Bob Boone, Tony LaRusa, Frank Robinson, Jim Tracy, and Jeff Torborg all deserve serious consideration. Of those 5, though, only LaRusa has his team in first place in his division right now, and of the remaining four, Tracy is the only one with a real shot at capturing first. With that in mind, it makes LaRusa's job this season, with a patchwork rotation, the death of great pitcher and clubhouse leader Darryl Kile, and the free agent bust that is Tino Martinez at a key offensive position that much more impressive. I don't like the guy, but I've got to vote for Tony here.


    (edited by Zaphod on 4.8.02 1541)



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NL Cy Young: Schilling. Hands down, he's having one of the best seasons we've seen a pitcher have recently. One of the top ERAs, most wins, fewest walks, competing for the K lead. Why wouldn't he get it? Because he doesn't strike fear into the hearts of batters like his partner does?

(On a side note, I understand the argument for Smoltz as Cy Young winner, but I wouldn't vote for him (if I voted) unless both Schlling and Johnson tank here on out. He gets my 3rd place vote.)

AL Cy Young: Tough race. Gut feeling says to go with Lowe, but then there's Pedro pitching right with him. Not to mention Zito, Rodrigo Lopez (but he'll win Rookie), plus any other random pitchers - Paul Byrd, even. Nobody seems to remember he's having an awesome season (probably because he plays for the Royals). That being said, I'll still take Lowe over the lot of 'em.

NL MVP: I know everyone loves Guerrero, and so do I, but it's hard to vote against someone that has an OBP over .550. Sure, Dunn's doing great in his own right, only person close to Bonds in the NL in terms of walks, nice OBP. Guerrero's been, well, Guerrero - stellar as usual. If the 'Stros can make a run into first in the Central, Berkman is Bonds' most serious challenger. Possibly Schil if he tops 25 wins.

AL MVP: Once again, a lot of candidates. In terms of valuable to his team, I give the nod to Torii Hunter. The kid's been simply amazing all year, helping his team to approximately a 10,000 game lead in the Central. However, for some reason, that doesn't necessarily determine it. That's why I give my vote to A-Rod, and contemplate just how bad the Rangers would be without him. (What's that? They'd have used the money to buy pitching help? Oh.) Of course, there's Ichiro, Soriano, a hundred other people I left out....

NL Rookie: I'll admit I'm not too knowledgable about this year's candidates myself. I'd have to give the nod to Kearns, who seems to be quietly (for a rookie) putting together a great year.

AL Rookie: Although Rodrigo Lopez didn't get the AL Cy Young, he'll pick this up. I ...suppose... consideration has to be given to Jorge Julio (as Grimis pointed out), but nothing too substantial.

NL Manager: This one is quite difficult. I want to say Frank Robinson as a little f-you for Selig, but right now, they've hovering arond .500 ...if they can stay above the Dodger area (5 games of .500), I think he gets it. If not, it's down to LaRussa, who's done in insane job in getting his players to play in the face of two huge blows to the Cardinal nation, and Boone, who's done nothing short of amazing in getting his team in contention; didn't figure that for another year, at least. Not to mention ol' Jimy Williams... I always wondered what Boston was thinking getting rid of him. If the Astros can take first and hold it, I may very well give it to him no matter how the Expos are. Not to mention Cox, who's got the Braves running laps around the East.

Brenly? Wouldn't give him more than outside consideration, and here's why. Johnson and Schilling have started 50 games combined (at this post), leaving 65 games to the other three starters. Basically, when 2/5 of your games (or, evidently, more than that) are being pitched by two of the most dominant pitchers in the game, it takes some strain off your workload. Faced with that, and the stories of the others, I can't see why to place Brenly above a manager of a possibly-contracted team who managed to pull them into a playoff chase, however briefly, a manager who's had to deal with the natural death of a player and another synonomous with his team, etc. It's not that Brenly's not a good manager - he has to be doing something right to be wearing a ring, right? - it's just that there are better candidates then him.

AL Manager: ..Good question. Probably Gardenshire from way up north. Hard to argue with that when he's managing one of Selig's pet contraction projects (Selig, go to hell for that), dealing with a fairly young team, and has the AL Central locked up - with enough lead to give a few games to the other league leaders and still be safe.







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