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Apologies in advance if others think that this should've gone into the politics forum, but since it's discussing a song's lyrics I opted for the music forum.

Earlier today I heard a story on the radio that Natalie Maines of the Dixie Chicks didn't care for "The Angry American". I couldn't find a link to the story, so I'm paraphrasing here.

Her objection to the song was along that lines that it was "down" on an entire culture. With that in mind, Click Here to see the lyrics to Toby Keith's song.

Where does he denigrate any specific culture? I read the song as very pro-American, and yes the "boot in your ass" part could be taken as confrontational. But...I don't see any mention of "take that you dirty Muslims" or "I hate Afghanistan", so I guess I don't understand her beef.

Any thoughts?



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Natalie...is she the fat one?
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Remember when you even get remotely famous you are supposed to hate anything pro-American and everything that America does.

Alec Baldwin,I'm looking in your direction.

And yes she is the "fat" one.

(edited by ICEMAN on 15.8.02 0633)



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I haven't heard this song, but the lyrics sound ok to me. No ethnic slurs. No racial profiling. Sure there's a pretty good bet we know who he's talking about, but so what.

I hadn't heard that famous thing, I just thought Alec Baldwin was a retard.



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    Originally posted by chazerizer
    I haven't heard this song, but the lyrics sound ok to me. No ethnic slurs. No racial profiling. Sure there's a pretty good bet we know who he's talking about, but so what.

    I hadn't heard that famous thing, I just thought Alec Baldwin was a retard.



There is a reason for this. Hollywood is extremely liberal. To get anywhere, you have to be a liberal whacko so that you "fit-in" with everybody else. Anybody who doesn't fit the mold is generally ostracized. Bruce Willis the exception to this rule.

I have no concrete proof of any of this, but it helps to explain some things about movies(like the villains in "The Sum of All Fears" changing from Palestinian terrorists to neo-Nazis) and Richard Gere's rant from the Concert for NYC(though I will admit it took a lot of balls for him to go up and say what he said).

EDIT: Oh, and Alec Baldwin is a retard. He hasn't figured his way out of the country since he promised to leave after 2000.

(edited by Grimis on 15.8.02 0924)
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Yep, Bruce Willis is the only non-liberal...I guess Arnie only hangs out with the Republicans to tweak his family.

And considering that Hollywood is the only industry that leans more on the "evil foreigner vs. virtuous American" angle more than wrestling, I'm not quite sure everyone there is some sort of anti-American.



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    Originally posted by spf2119
    Yep, Bruce Willis is the only non-liberal...I guess Arnie only hangs out with the Republicans to tweak his family.

    And considering that Hollywood is the only industry that leans more on the "evil foreigner vs. virtuous American" angle more than wrestling, I'm not quite sure everyone there is some sort of anti-American.



Arnie is conservative on some issues. Just not enough for the rank and file of a lot of Republicans. He's a lot like the "liberal neocon" wing from out East(Arlen Spector, Nelson Rockefeller, Bush 41, etc).
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Okay, okay, wait a minute - I know this isn't the Politics forum, but you mean to tell me that you folks have raped the definition of the word liberal to the point that you include GEORGE BUSH amongst our ranks? Jeebus, man...

And, yeah, Charlton Heston's career never really went anywhere, did it?



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    Originally posted by OlFuzzyBastard
    Okay, okay, wait a minute - I know this isn't the Politics forum, but you mean to tell me that you folks have raped the definition of the word liberal to the point that you include GEORGE BUSH amongst our ranks? Jeebus, man...

    And, yeah, Charlton Heston's career never really went anywhere, did it?



Bush 41 was an Eastern Neoconservatives, which are basically Republicans with a liberal bent. W does not qualify.

And Heston: OK, you got me.
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    Originally posted by cranlsn
    Apologies in advance if others think that this should've gone into the politics forum, but since it's discussing a song's lyrics I opted for the music forum.

    Earlier today I heard a story on the radio that Natalie Maines of the Dixie Chicks didn't care for "The Angry American". I couldn't find a link to the story, so I'm paraphrasing here.

    Her objection to the song was along that lines that it was "down" on an entire culture. With that in mind, Click Here to see the lyrics to Toby Keith's song.

    Where does he denigrate any specific culture? I read the song as very pro-American, and yes the "boot in your ass" part could be taken as confrontational. But...I don't see any mention of "take that you dirty Muslims" or "I hate Afghanistan", so I guess I don't understand her beef.

    Any thoughts?



I've just read the lyrics, and I don't understand Maines' position either. Certainly it's aggressive in tone - but so are most war-oriented songs. It's certainly not "Der Fuhrer's Face".

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#11 Posted on
She's had a bit of negative reaction for her comments as well.

I guess although she didn't choose her comments all that wisely ("down on an entire culture"-??), it seems like she just falls into the camp that doesn't feel expressing desire for vengeance is appropriate. Toby Keith kinda falls into the same camp as Bradshaw, who (I believe) talked about turning Afghanistan into a parking lot. On Bruce Springsteen's latest album, there's songs written from the point of view of wanting revenge, others that deal with the extraordinary sadness of sudden loss, and others that talk about bridging the gap between cultures. None of these reactions are inappropriate, they're all part of human nature.

On a non-musical note, like Titanic and Pearl Harbor, I'm wondering how long it will be before the inevitable Sept. 11, 2001 movie. It will have to be years(decades?) to avoid seeming insensitive.
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#12 Posted on

    Originally posted by OlFuzzyBastard
    And, yeah, Charlton Heston's career never really went anywhere, did it?


"Damn you dirty Apes!"
Dude Troy Mclure was based on him.
Ben Hur was huge as far as Awards go. Plus, he was the president of the Screen Actors Guild. If you talk to your Grandmama or people in that age range they could be able to tell you but as for finding the answer here, I think we are a bit to young to answer that.

As far as Toby and his song it doesn't sound bad at all. It is amusing to me that a white female from the south, in a band that has Dixie in the title would have trouble with a country song that is pro-American.



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#13 Posted on

    Originally posted by cranlsn
    Earlier today I heard a story on the radio that Natalie Maines of the Dixie Chicks didn't care for "The Angry American". I couldn't find a link to the story, so I'm paraphrasing here.


If you Click Here you can be taken to an article containing Natalie Maines' comments on Toby Keith's song Courtesy of the Red, White & Blue. Quoting from the article:

"Don't get me started," Maines told the Los Angeles Daily News. "I hate it. It's ignorant, and it makes country music sound ignorant. It targets an entire culture--and not just the bad people who did bad things. You've got to have some tact. Anybody can write, 'We'll put a boot in your ass.' But a lot of people agree with it. The kinds of songs I prefer on the subject are like Bruce Springsteen's new songs."

Certainly Ms. Maines is entitled to her opinion, but it did strike me as ironic that she would refer to the song as "ignorant" and then in the very next sentence reveal her own ignorance regarding the song's lyrics. Incidentally, she is correct in her comment that "a lot of people agree with [the song]" as Keith's album Unleashed debuted at Number One on the Billboard Top 200. This marks only the eighth time a country artist has debuted at Number One on the pop charts (you can Click Here for more details.

It's safe to say that Keith's song has definitely struck a chord with the American public in much the same way Alan Jackson's Where Were You (When the World Stopped Turning) did. Why that is IMHO was probably best expressed by James Stroud, head of DreamWorks Records, the label that Keith records for. In the 8/1/02 edition of The Tennessean Stroud was quoted as saying:

A gentleman told me the other day the Alan Jackson song was what the American people wanted to hear and the Toby Keith song is what the American people wanted to say. That's just about right."

Finally, cranlsn, I'm glad you chose to open this thread in The Music Forum rather than The Politics Forum, as this is one of the few threads I've seen in this forum that discusses songs and artists that I listen to. Much oblige.



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#14 Posted on
Correction on this entire thread.

Natalie Maines is not a Dixie Chick. She is the Dixie Female. Thanks for your time.



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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.09

    Originally posted by Jubuki
    Correction on this entire thread.

    Natalie Maines is not a Dixie Chick. She is the Dixie Female. Thanks for your time.



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#16 Posted on
Well, you HAVE seen pictures of all three standing together, yes? You tell ME which ones qualify as 'chicks'.

There you are, then. Glad I could be of assistance.



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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.09

    Originally posted by Jubuki
    Well, you HAVE seen pictures of all three standing together, yes? You tell ME which ones qualify as 'chicks'.

    There you are, then. Glad I could be of assistance.



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#18 Posted on

    Originally posted by Chico Santana

      Originally posted by OlFuzzyBastard
      And, yeah, Charlton Heston's career never really went anywhere, did it?


    "Damn you dirty Apes!"
    Dude Troy Mclure was based on him.
    Ben Hur was huge as far as Awards go. Plus, he was the president of the Screen Actors Guild. If you talk to your Grandmama or people in that age range they could be able to tell you but as for finding the answer here, I think we are a bit to young to answer that.

    As far as Toby and his song it doesn't sound bad at all. It is amusing to me that a white female from the south, in a band that has Dixie in the title would have trouble with a country song that is pro-American.



I think Old Fuzzy was being sarcastic.... as for liberals in Hollywood I have heard a common theory that people in Hollywood sometimes feel so guilty that they make so much money doing their sometimes meaningless and easy (sometimes mind you....) jobs that they feel they really need to give back, therefore they want social programs and the like.



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Yeah. Of course usually they want to fund those program with money that doesn't belong to them, which is usually the bummer. Kinda like when Rosie O'Donnell(and this is the ONLY time I have EVER agreed with her said that she thought that the America: A Tribute to Heroes special should've had a $1,000,000 cover charge and the producers said no. They love to spend and promote shit, just on another's dime.
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Right - my point was that while Hollywood is obviously a lot more liberal than conservative, to say that conservative actors and actresses are blackballed is completely absurd.

(And, according to the commentary tracks on the Simpsons Season 2 DVD, Troy McClure was based on two actors from the 1960s that I've never heard of - one who's first name was Troy, and the other who's last name was McClure.)



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