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According to 411, according to PWInsider, WWE will be airing a Fanatic PPV next month about Eugene called "My Name Is Eugene". What could they possibly fill a 60-90 minute PPV about Eugene with?

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Whether they can fill this with quality or not, it looks like one last attempt to cash in before the Eugene character is completely played out. The heel turn has to be coming sooner rather than later, and once that's done you can't really go back and do something like this in the future.



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So I'm assuming that this will having nothing about "Nick Dinsmore" and the OVW days ...




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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.40
    Originally posted by BigVitoMark
    Whether they can fill this with quality or not, it looks like one last attempt to cash in before the Eugene character is completely played out. The heel turn has to be coming sooner rather than later, and once that's done you can't really go back and do something like this in the future.



Its frustrating when a good wrestler is buried under a character like Nick was with Eugene .. It becomes a dead end eventually unless he plays the stooge in much the same way as George '' The Animal'' Steele was.

Repeating history by having Eugene turn completely and been HHHs sidekick was lost in their feud, maybe he will become Evolution V2 newest member. Evolution V2 been Randy Orton Ric Flair Batista and Eugene...V2 rocket anyone?

Speaking of The Animal, with Eugene copying everybody from Hogan to The Rock I would like to see Eugene and Tajiri feud once Eugene is with Evolution V2 , have Tajiri green mist Eugene and then Eugene starts licking his face making his tongue green( or maybe have his own green dye capsule) and go crazy from the mist and start biting ,rubbing turnbuckles to remove the mist. This would complete the circle the WWE started with Eugene IMO.Has Nick got a hairy back?

Let me go on record as saying I have enjoyed the Eugene character



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Eugene was funny, but as with any one-note comedy routine it had a short shelf life. It's time is almost over. I'd say they got more out of it than anyone could have reasonably expected.

I said from the start and I still say today, the real money here could be in the heel turn. At some point in a key angle you have Eugene interfere and cost the face the match. He laughs, fade to black. Next week out comes Nick Dinsmore, clean shaved, hair cut, well dressed, with Regal by his side explaining that "Eugene" was all a con perpetrated by himself, Regal, and Bischoff. You could use any one of a number of reasons as to why they would do such a thing, but you get Dinsmore over as a heel instantly, thus overcoming the supposed obstacle of his look keeping him from getting the callup for so long. A little bit of decent writing can explain the whole thing, and Dinsmore isn't cast as a George Steele for the current generation.



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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.33
    Originally posted by BigVitoMark
    Eugene was funny, but as with any one-note comedy routine it had a short shelf life. It's time is almost over. I'd say they got more out of it than anyone could have reasonably expected.

    I said from the start and I still say today, the real money here could be in the heel turn. At some point in a key angle you have Eugene interfere and cost the face the match. He laughs, fade to black. Next week out comes Nick Dinsmore, clean shaved, hair cut, well dressed, with Regal by his side explaining that "Eugene" was all a con perpetrated by himself, Regal, and Bischoff. You could use any one of a number of reasons as to why they would do such a thing, but you get Dinsmore over as a heel instantly, thus overcoming the supposed obstacle of his look keeping him from getting the callup for so long. A little bit of decent writing can explain the whole thing, and Dinsmore isn't cast as a George Steele for the current generation.


While I agree totally that a heel turn could and would be awesome, I think you are missing a huge dramatic moment here in your fantasy booking moment. What would make a Dinsmore turn rule would be him in trouble with heels, and just slowly changing his demeanour. Some subtle mannerisms and he would have people rabid for his blood. I dunno if a laughs and fade to black would do it justice. Too WCWish.

Regal comes out to save little Eugene, and gets turned on. It would be perfect.







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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.33
As I said before, Eugene is this year's Zack Gowen.




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Nah. Eugene is, y'know, actually talented as a wrestler. Zach Gowen was a one-trick pony-- “Hey, look at the one-legged guy in the ass-kicking contest!”

I think Eugene needs to become an MF'er, but then again of course I'm gonna say that, 'cuz I'm a Matt Hardy fan.



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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.78
If they turn Eugene heel it NEEDS to be all his own plan. No Regal or Bischoff involvement. In fact, turning him on Regal would be awesome, because a)Dinsmore and Regal could have some swank matches and b)It would further boost Regal as a massive babyface.

Whatever happens, it's pretty hard to feel sorry for Nick. If nothing else comes of it the guy was at the very least one of the fed's biggest trump cards, if only for six months; that's much much more than many good wrestlers get outta their careers.



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The problem with using Eugene to turn on Regal is that Regal is a much better heel than face.

I agree that they got much more out of Eugene than they could have expected, and I think Nick Dinsmore deserves a ton of credit for this character working - especially after all of the worries most of us had about how bad an idea a special character was going to be. Regardless of how overplayed he's been, he and Regal were the best part of Raw for several weeks.

Before we get a heel turn, I'd imagine La Resistance getting a win over him - Conway (I don't count Coach) started Eugene's run and we might see them try to get Rob a little heat before Eugene is totally worthless. Thinking this out, and knowing the 'E's reputation for recycling angles, we might see a Coach/Eugene retirement match - two characters people don't want to see in the ring - and Eugene loses by Regal's heel turn - only to have Eugene come back in a Kane mask the next week...

I have mixed feelings about Eugene mixing it up with HHH - it did give Nick a chance to work with a higher level talent, but HHH buried him too far. It was fun to see HHH trying to convince Eugene they were friends, we hadn't seen anything good/different from HHH in quite some time before that.

Then again, it might be fun to have Eugene drool over the diva search contestants...and have him ask Regal or better yet Pat Patterson what a cum guzzling cocksucker is...nothing says shock value like a Gay Retard character...

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    Originally posted by ekedolphin
    Nah. Eugene is, y'know, actually talented as a wrestler. Zach Gowen was a one-trick pony-- “Hey, look at the one-legged guy in the ass-kicking contest!”

    I think Eugene needs to become an MF'er, but then again of course I'm gonna say that, 'cuz I'm a Matt Hardy fan.


What I mean is, they basically ran with Eugene this year the same way they did with Zack Gowen in 2003. And both showed up at around the same time, and fell out of the limelight around the same time.

I thought the Eugene character was tolerable before he was put into the main event spot. It just got ridiculous when HHH was trying to "use him". Why HHH wanted help from a retarded person, I don't know. The only explanation I can come up with is that HHH himself is retarded. Eugene was cool as just a mid-card diversion and character, and if they really wanted him that high up on the card, they should've built him up to that level. I mean one week, he's feuding with Michael Cole and La Resistance, then the next with HHH. Not very smart.




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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.27
    Originally posted by The Vile1
    What I mean is, they basically ran with Eugene this year the same way they did with Zack Gowen in 2003. And both showed up at around the same time, and fell out of the limelight around the same time.


Agreed, but the difference is that there is something you can do with Dinsmore other than "hey, look at the freak". I see more comparison between Gowen and the old-time wrestling bears; a curiosity the first time, boring after that.

    Originally posted by too-old-now
    The problem with using Eugene to turn on Regal is that Regal is a much better heel than face.


Exactly. Regal worked as a face in '01 as the goofy commissioner, but as just another guy in the midcard, the way he's cast now, he's a shell of what he can be as a heel. Admittedly I'm a huge Regal mark and maybe overestimate his real worth, but I see a hell of a lot more upside for him as a heel than as a face. He needs to be part of the Dinsmore turn - if nothing else for storyline continuity, as it never really made sense to me why the ultra-condescending Brit turned so abruptly to befriend his burden. Having him in on the scam from the start would be much more consistent with the character.

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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.78
Having Regal turn heel gain is just boring/We've seen over the past few months what kind of face reactions the guy is capable of getting, and if anything he began outshining Eugene's large pops. Imagine face Regal delivering the kind of blistering promos to a heel-turned Nick Dinsmore that he threw at Hunter a month or so back. How can you say he's not viable face?!



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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.07
    Originally posted by The Vile1
    As I said before, Eugene is this year's Zack Gowen.
Wait. Are we talking about the guy who got a pinfall victory on Triple H during the most recent RAW? Ohhhh-kay.



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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.33
    Originally posted by CRZ
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      As I said before, Eugene is this year's Zack Gowen.
    Wait. Are we talking about the guy who got a pinfall victory on Triple H during the most recent RAW? Ohhhh-kay.


A pinfall victory after HHH destroyed him and clearly had the match won. Then Randy Orton demolished HHH with a sledgehammer, and put the unconscious Eugene over HHH.

You know even the Brooklyn Brawler got a pinfall victory over HHH once after Jericho interfered.




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    Originally posted by The Vile1
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        As I said before, Eugene is this year's Zack Gowen.
      Wait. Are we talking about the guy who got a pinfall victory on Triple H during the most recent RAW? Ohhhh-kay.


    A pinfall victory after HHH destroyed him and clearly had the match won. Then Randy Orton demolished HHH with a sledgehammer, and put the unconscious Eugene over HHH.

    You know even the Brooklyn Brawler got a pinfall victory over HHH once after Jericho interfered.
But... what's *any* of that got to do with your ludicrous Zach Gowen comparison?

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    Originally posted by The Vile1
    What I mean is, they basically ran with Eugene this year the same way they did with Zack Gowen in 2003. And both showed up at around the same time, and fell out of the limelight around the same time.
Are we talking about the guy who got a pinfall victory on Triple H during the MAIN EVENT of the most recent RAW? You and I sure have differing definitions of "fell out of the limelight!"



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In the beginning I enjoyed Eugene. His training video package was one of the funniest bits on RAW in years. Here's my problem with the Eugene phenomena. The writers, thru JR, King, & HHH, shove the retarded stereotypes down our throats. With HHH I can understand his behavior. He's trying to get people to pay to see Eugene kick his ass. What's King's excuse? His "witty" banter about Eugene makes me ashamed to be a wrestling fan. And then Good Ol' JR has to defend Eugene with more stereotypical "good natured soul" bullshit. When I saw the camera crew focus on a sign in the crowd that said "Retard Strength" on RAW during a Eugene match I said, "FUCK THIS SHIT". And that was it. I catch Smackdown when I can. Maybe put some Noah or CMLL tapes in the VCR. But I'll be damned if I'm gonna watch this insipid garbage any longer. I'll miss Regal and Jericho. Oh, wait a minute. MNF starts soon.



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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.33
    Originally posted by CRZ
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          As I said before, Eugene is this year's Zack Gowen.
        Wait. Are we talking about the guy who got a pinfall victory on Triple H during the most recent RAW? Ohhhh-kay.


      A pinfall victory after HHH destroyed him and clearly had the match won. Then Randy Orton demolished HHH with a sledgehammer, and put the unconscious Eugene over HHH.

      You know even the Brooklyn Brawler got a pinfall victory over HHH once after Jericho interfered.
    But... what's *any* of that got to do with your ludicrous Zach Gowen comparison?

    Let me try it again - and forgive me in advance for repeating myself...
      Originally posted by The Vile1
      What I mean is, they basically ran with Eugene this year the same way they did with Zack Gowen in 2003. And both showed up at around the same time, and fell out of the limelight around the same time.
    Are we talking about the guy who got a pinfall victory on Triple H during the MAIN EVENT of the most recent RAW? You and I sure have differing definitions of "fell out of the limelight!"


Well to me, the win was pretty meaningless considering how Eugene won. Just like the Brooklyn Brawler's win over HHH was meaningless.

You can say the comparison to Zach Gowen is ludicrous, but both men's gimmicks were the handicapped, underdog wrestler (YES I KNOW NICK DINSMORE IS NOT REALLY HANDICAPPED). And just like Zach Gowen, I believe the Eugene character was pushed on a high spot on the card he wasn't ready for and didn't fit in with. The storylines with HHH, Eugene, and Benoit were stupid just like when WWE tried pushing Zach Gowen as a main eventer when he came in.

And in the match last Monday, HHH basically made Eugene his bitch until Randy Orton came in and punished HHH with a sledgehammer, which is the only reason Eugene won, he couldn't win the match on his own. So yeah, I'd say he's fallen out of the limelight or his gimmick has run its course so to speak.



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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.66
    Originally posted by The Vile1
    Well to me, the win was pretty meaningless considering how Eugene won. Just like the Brooklyn Brawler's win over HHH was meaningless.


I assume you feel HHH's win over Eugene on PPV was just as meaningless then given that HHH was down and out before the involvement of Flair and Regal.


    You can say the comparison to Zach Gowen is ludicrous, but both men's gimmicks were the handicapped, underdog wrestler (YES I KNOW NICK DINSMORE IS NOT REALLY HANDICAPPED).


They may both have been handicapped but they played hugely different characters. Zach was never really treated as though he had a serious chance of contending with the big boys. It was always 'he's so brave', rather than 'he's so talented'.

Eugene on the other hand has been portrayed as a curiously exeptional wrestler capable of holding his own against anyone from the moment he stepped into the ring.


    And just like Zach Gowen, I believe the Eugene character was pushed on a high spot on the card he wasn't ready for and didn't fit in with.


He seems pretty damned popular for a guy who isn't ready and doesn't fit in.


    The storylines with HHH, Eugene, and Benoit were stupid just like when WWE tried pushing Zach Gowen as a main eventer when he came in.


Stupid how? By wrestling standards they were pretty decent, and certainly plausible. Handicapped kid comes in and wins the affection of the faces with his infectious personality, bravery, and talents in the ring.

HHH observes that Benoit has developed a soft spot for the kid, but also becomes aware (the night the Rock was in town) that Eugene idolises none other than HHH himself. And lo a plan is born in the mind of HHH to use Eugene to win back his title.

He manipulates Eugene over a period of time, planting doubt in Eugenes mind about Benoits true feelings for him. At the same time he ingratiates himself to Eugene by making him an honorary member of Evolution. By the time his title match with Benoit comes around, HHH expects to have the assistance of Eugene, somebody whose assistance is potentially even more valuable than that of his Evolution cohorts for he knows that Benoits affection for the guy may stop him from simply 'clearing house' as he would in the event of an Evo run in.

Ultimately of course the plan backfires and HHH (and Evolution) take out their anger on Eugene by beating him silly.


    And in the match last Monday, HHH basically made Eugene his bitch until Randy Orton came in and punished HHH with a sledgehammer, which is the only reason Eugene won, he couldn't win the match on his own.


In the first straight up wrestling match at SummerSlam HHH more or less had his ass handed to him, using everything from a feigned injury to Lilian Garcia to try to get an advantage over Eugene, before ultimately profiting from Flair and (accidental) Regal interference. Put in the environment of the No DQ match which obviously favoured the more ruthless HHH, Eugene struggled to survive. Ultimately said ruthlessness cost HHH the match however as his desire to inflict further punishment on Eugene when the pin was there allowed Randy to run in and cost him the match.


    So yeah, I'd say he's fallen out of the limelight or his gimmick has run its course so to speak.


He just beat the number one heel in the company in the ME of RAW. Dress it up how you will, but if THATS falling out of the limelight I'd say 90+ percent of active wrestlers would love to take that tumble too.



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I think it would have been great seeing Eugene go somewhere...but I think we can all see that his character had been squashed completely. I'm assuming that this segment will be just one last thing for Eugene before he is completely gone.
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