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#1 Posted on
I posted this on several other boards, but you may not frequent any of those, so here I go again.

I had the chance to interview Trish Stratus yesterday. If you want to check out the interview, it is on this site: http://www.thesmartmarks.com and NO Scott Keith is not associated with that site. :)
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#2 Posted on
"Trish Stratus: The womens division is not there to be on the same lines as other titles, to me at least. If we can put together a good match then that's great but the fact is that T&A is what sells."

I have a little bit of difficulty believing that is what Trish truly thinks or wants to see happen in the division. She may be spouting out a little WWE good old boy propoganda, although I'm sure she realizes the TNA sells deal and doesn't have a problem with it.

You should have asked her a question about her fitness model days and if she thinks there are others in that profession who might make good female wrestlers (i.e. Torrie Wilson?)

DMC

(edited by DMC on 18.7.02 1546)

(edited by DMC on 18.7.02 1658)

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#3 Posted on
When Nora hears that her friend Trish says women's wrestling is lesser than the others, and that is ok if they have a good match, but it is not the priority that T&A is, she will rip her a new one. Trish would NEVER say that if she currently has the belt. She was lucky Molly salvaged her wrestling cred after the blow out with Jackie last week.

And Trish is now saying that Nora's butt is not big? Then what was the freaking point of doing that stupid angle in the first place, except to drop Nora's pants down and making Trish look like a bald-faced liar? Good thing the female fans weren't impressed at all by the angle, much less be impressionable, as evident by the shift.

Still, it's nice for her to break kayfabe about that. It is a sure indication that the stupid angle is winding down.





(edited by deadbeater on 18.7.02 1913)

"Business has just picked up" says JR. Then right on cue, Molly enters the arena! Never was JR any better in introducing someone. --Raw 7/15
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#4 Posted on
"And Trish is now saying that Nora's butt is not big? Then what was the freaking point of doing that stupid angle"

That's exactly what went through my mind as soon as she answered the question.

As to why I didn't ask her about other people, for the most part she is obviously going to say good things about them. I highly doubt she would say anything negative about a co-worker, so I figured why waste both of our time with questions like that.

I also couldn't believe what she said about the Women's divison. Maybe she is a realist (like me) and already understands that T&A will always generate more interest than wrestling.
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#5 Posted on
That's because Trish is used to the attention she gets out of T&A. She made good money out of her posing. I do understand that. It is admittedly hard to wean North Americans to good women's wrestling against this backdrop. Besides, even the best ladies auld lang syne used to fight in one-piece bathing suits and tights, and probably attracted attention because of what they wore as opposed to how they move in the ring.

I saw Nora's old pictures as Mona, and she had one of the best outfits ever worn for a wrestling match: a blue dress cut so she can fight in it. And she fought barefoot too. Wow. If she wore that to a wrestling match here, she would get stupid good pop. And she can still work her character around it. I mean, many of the Japanese ladies wear the most outlandish of outfits, like they are unpainted kabuki, while the WWE women wears relatively bland-looking ordinary clothes to the ring, like they walked in from the street. No wonder people are looking forward to T&A matches.

(edited by deadbeater on 18.7.02 2223)


"Business has just picked up" says JR. Then right on cue, Molly enters the arena! Never was JR any better in introducing someone. --Raw 7/15
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#6 Posted on
Do you really think that Trish thinks Molly has a big ass..
She said those things to start the freaking angle..
Just like Jericho doesn't really believe he is larger than life and a bigger legend than Hogan, just like Billy & Chuck aren't gay and just like Eddie doesn't really talk with that accent.

For the rest of the interview..hmmm..nothing shocking.
And I think she is clever enough not to know that it IS TnA that sells the women. Look at it. Who can work good matches?
Trish, Molly, Ivory and Jazz. Out of those 4 3 are also nice to hot looking, so they can be used for everything.
Who are the lookers? Stacy, Torrie, Terri (dont care if you dont think she eats, she isnt there to eat or wrestle) Jackie Gayda..
So basically that is 8 women, and 7 of those are marketable as models..(out of those 7 only one has a 'i dont do that attitude') so WHY wouldnt they make the TnA more important than the wrestling?

This doesn't mean that I agree..often the women matches are exciting and fast paced but it is a fact that the TnA probably sells more.

Another reason is simpler..
If she says its most about TnA and SHE rises above that level she raises her own value for the company. Simple..
If people expect little, everything above that makes you looks good.



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-Mallrats
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#7 Posted on
No it means Trish is settling for less than being the best at wrestling. Nora, with her work ethic, and having started her career fighting some of the best women wrestlers of this time, would never tolerate that attitude from potentially the next women's champion.





"Business has just picked up" says JR. Then right on cue, Molly enters the arena! Never was JR any better in introducing someone. --Raw 7/15
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#8 Posted on
The WWF's New Women's Marketing Campaign:

They're Hot...They're Sexy...And They Can Wrestle!


YOU GOT A PROBLEM WITH THAT?



They damned well better steal this idea...'cause it's true.



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#9 Posted on

    Originally posted by deadbeater
    No it means Trish is settling for less than being the best at wrestling. Nora, with her work ethic, and having started her career fighting some of the best women wrestlers of this time, would never tolerate that attitude from potentially the next women's champion.




Now WTF is THAT supposed to mean?
Trish is realistic and knows people want T&A along with some cool moves.
Trish knows that to be the best in >>this<< part of the world you have to combine stuff..bust and show your ass..

I hope you are talking about Molly - in char- but the fact that you use her real name seems to indicate you dont.
If 'Nora'really thinks she is above anybody else because she can actually wrestle and can do some gymnastics to boot then she needs a reality check..
'Never tolerate'? Err..right..is she like Austin or HHH now or something that she should have the right to decide if she wants to drop the title.

And just out of curiosity, who are those best women she has wrestled?



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#10 Posted on
First off as a Trish fan if I ever start calling Stratus, " Stratigias" on a regular bases please do me a favour and ban me for my own good

Second I thought Trish kind of passed the WWE title to Molly?

Third If Molly is having flashbacks of great Japaneese women wrestling maybe she and Madusa could do a website together talking about how great they are and how horrible every other woman is. Hell WWE is the only game in town and if Vince feel you need a little sex appeal to go with the wrestling, what choice do you have. As long as sex doesn't totally overshadow the women wrestling. I'm happy.

Before Molly refuses to do any jobs to Trish, maybe Molly should first try to get as over as a heel as Trish was in early '01 or as over as a face as Trish was in early '02 (until she went into her feud with Molly). Or Molly could try to get a women angle/feud over like Trish got her and Steph and her and Jazz as great feuds... Molly could be the best inring wrestling, but Trish was the centerpiece of the women division since November and in most accounts it has been a success

Is it a coincidence as champ Trish always had PPV matches even with zero build up like the ones with Jaqualine in December and Stacy a few months ago. And oh looks like this month there's no women's match on the PPV... Or Trish heat match 2 weeks ago with Victoria got a 1.3 while the show Molly v. Jacqualine got a 0.9 a week later (well maybe that's a coincidence...lol)

Saying all that I'm actually a Molly fan but I don't think she's head over heels of Trish by any case. And I certainly hope she doesn't have that attitude that some of her fans have because if she does I'd hate to break it to her she's not "that good"

As for her comments

-Of course she knew the fat ass angle was stupid, everyone did it got no one over.

-TnA sells comment, I truly believe she was speaking the company line. For how hard she works what a waste of effort just to go back and be a Terri type character. But saying that she is the girl who won the cover for the diva bikini magazine and participated (only for 1 round) at Undressed. How hypocritical will it sound if she says I hate TnA... I've seen mainstream interviews which she says the WWE trys to blend in both sex appeal and athletisim. which sounds better (note: hopefully she's not giving a hint that they are going away from wrestling )

- Her saying it's not the level of other titles is actually one thing that got her really over with the FEd when she said it on the Howard Stern show. Stern said something like "you girls should be payed more then the guys" and Trish really put of the men and said "they risk and damage there body on a much more regular bases then we do" which is a nice medium to Debra's "we are just candles" and Chyna "I put as much work in the ring as ANY man"... But again that Trish/Stern interview was in the summer of 2001 a year later seeing the last 3 or 4 PPV's with horrible slowmo main events. She seems to be short-changing herself, it seems like the women are putting more effort then the main event men...lol

- Umm Lilian and Trish travel buddies. If I could be a fly in that hotel room wall.

Retro Rob: At WrestleMania X-7 you turned on Vince McMahon and had a catfight with Stephanie. Judging by crowd reaction you were extremely over, yet the WWF didn't do anything with your character for months. Was there a reason for you being left in limbo?

Trish Stratus: There was no direct reason other than that was the blow off of the angle.


-Errr the story of WWF... Boy all that work Trish did on that feud, all for not, after they left her with nothing to do after the feud ended.

Q: what do you see yourself in the future? A: : Bringing the women's title back to Canada where it belongs and from there who knows.

- Umm kind of a generic answer, she usually says stuff "always working on improving" but not this time? I hope she's not thinking of leaving wrestling. That would be such a shame seeing someone leap in improvments every 8 months like she seems. I'd love to see how good she could be in 2003 and beyond, Oh well maybe I'm reading too much into it. Heck she said bring the title to Canada could she sign to Smackdown and be part of Team Canada. Again me reading too much... LOL











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#11 Posted on
Well, TnA might sell magazines and posters and whatnot, but it is not what fans want to see in the ring. Look at the crowd response for the last bra and panties match. It was dead. Now compare that to the women's wrestling matches, which get at least some reaction and pops for some new moves and highspots.

But at the same time, what is so wrong with being sexy and wrestling well in the ring. You can't tell me The Rock doesn't have sex appeal, you can't say that the female fans love seeing Jeff Hardy come out to the ring. My sister likes to watch actual wrestling, but she totally loves Chris Jericho, Jeff, and RVD. She makes it known when we watch wrestling, but I get her back when Molly and Trish are on. :-) The girls might be scantily clad sometimes, but a lot of the guys wear very little too. Wrestling is always going to have an aspect of eye candy to it, to both sexes.

(edited by MollyFan2K2 on 19.7.02 0942)
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#12 Posted on
dMp asks:
And just out of curiosity, who are those best women she has wrestled?

My answer:
dMp, try Malia Hosaka, Monster Ripper, Madusa and Akira Hokuto for size.

I don't mind having a little sex appeal show in any or all wrestlers. I know that the women don't exactly dig The Rock for his floatover move, and that Molly's girl-next-door sweetheart look has appeal among many men, myself included. What I do mind is the attitude like "Ah, I don't have to perform well in each match. It's okay if the match went well. But I have to concentrate on looking good for my next photo shoot or my next lingerie match." Sable and Chyna got their contracts expired without renewal because of that attitude.

(edited by deadbeater on 19.7.02 1852)

"Business has just picked up" says JR. Then right on cue, Molly enters the arena! Never was JR any better in introducing someone. --Raw 7/15
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#13 Posted on
Kudos to Retro Rob for scoring that interview. You are the man!

As for her comment that T&A sells... define "sell", Trish.

Even at it's peak in the Attitude Era from 1997-2000, T&A didn't really "sell". At best, it was just adequate time filler designed to keep the crowd hot while they waited for Rock/Austin, or Rock/Foley, or Austin/Foley, or Triple H/Foley, or Triple H/Rock, or Triple H/Austin.

At the end of the day, no one really gave a crap about B.B, or Terri Runnels, or The Kat, or (present day) Torrie Wilson because their characters are nothing but desperate "flashers" looking for attention. Those characters don't draw money.

Sable, Lita, and Trish got over because they were feuding with Jackie, Stephanie, and Jazz over the Women's Championship. Other stuff, like past boyfriends, huge factions, and fighting against monster heels, were involved there as well.

It's proven that compelling feuds over compelling issues with compelling character development is what really "sells" in the wrestling/sports-entertainment business. That is what draws money.

But hey, I still respect Trish for her hardwork and still think she's a hottie, regardless of not agreeing with her view that T&A is what "sells" when it comes to the women's division.



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#14 Posted on

    Originally posted by deadbeater
    dMp asks:
    And just out of curiosity, who are those best women she has wrestled?

    My answer:
    dMp, try Malia Hosaka, Monster Ripper, Madusa and Akira Hokuto for size.

    (edited by deadbeater on 19.7.02 1852)



Ok..I must admit, I dont recall seeing matches with these women, well maybe against Madusa but I dont remember that..(though i never got to see late wcw)

Anyhoo..Trish saying that she thinks its the T&A that puts the women on the map doesnt mean she says she doesnt do her best in the ring every night.
Now I am sure we will disagree on this, but I enjoy the Trish vs Molly matches because both women are in there busting their asses, and both are giving it their best, and both are putting the other over
Same for Trish vs Jazz...
I believe it was Net Hack Slasher who ran into her at some show and said she had bruises on her arms.. In fact, in this months WWE magazine Torrie and er..I think Slaughter say she is always covered with bruises and that she likes that. Doesn't sound like someone who is worried too much about how she will look on the next photosoot.

Oh..NHS said 'Before Molly refuses to do any jobs to Trish, ' errr...when did she say this or when did this happen? Are we guessing here or is there some sort of problem with Molly I didn't read about?

And finally..Deadbeater said (in one of the earliest posts) that Molly saved Trish following the Gayda match...hmmmm...
What would have happened if Molly was in the ring with Jacky? Would it have been a 5-star match? Wouldn't Jacky have made Molly look bad? She would have walked away from the Molly-Go-Round or something. I doubt of Deadbeater would have said that Molly has been saved by Trish if that had happened..



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#15 Posted on

    Originally posted by AndrewGilkison
    Sable, Lita, and Trish got over because they were feuding with Jackie, Stephanie, and Jazz over the Women's Championship. Other stuff, like past boyfriends, huge factions, and fighting against monster heels, were involved there as well.

    It's proven that compelling feuds over compelling issues with compelling character development is what really "sells" in the wrestling/sports-entertainment business. That is what draws money.



Lita didn't get over because of any feud. She was Esse Rios's valet, ferchrissakes. She got over because she is hot and can do a few high flying moves, unlike most other women.

As a matter of fact, other than the weird spanking Lita/Chyna feud, I can't think of any big women's feuds that features compelling character development, or even drew any sort of attention. And I only mention the Lita/Chyna thing because, you know, it was freaky.




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#16 Posted on
Oh so much to hit on, where to start.

First off I agree, I think TnA on the show for the sake of TnA is a short term (if that) pop but does nothing long term. Like Andrew G said there's a list of beautiful women that had amazing bodies but bring nothing else to the table and are forgetten. But the girls that seem to have more dimenstions in there personality seems to have a longer shelf life... I think magazine shots and even something silly like Undressed as a once a year or so thing I didn't mind too much, but once you put these women in gimmick matches it hurts there selling power as characters. I just hope Trish hasn't just given up and heard that they are going away from wrestling and more of a late 90s TnA only thing, that would suck so bad

Again I don't think Trish truly believe that. I think she's just spitting out the company line. If she does believe that why would she risk the bruises and bumps if she could be like Terri or other non-wrestlers and get just by just wearing her push-up bras. And no one tries that hard just to put on half-assed matches. Her stuff with Jazz was a vicious as I've seen anything at the time they went over the call of duty most times and didn't look like they were just settling for a "good match"

DMP: I heard nothing of the case of Molly not wanting to put Trish over. I said that the same reason you responded right before my first respond. She along with every other wrestling diva isn't above any other diva as someone seemed to state... Plus it was me who went to the Indy Cart race and saw her and noticed her arms. I actually have a picture Click Here seeing her arm it proves where her heart is.

Scorpio: Ya Lita did have a huge advantage over the other girls because she had such a unique character/persona. Unlike we've never seen before. Compare her to the unorginal TnA(literally) of Trish Stratus and the cartoonish farmers daughter character that Molly Holly was brought in. It's easy to see why Lita got an easier time getting over then the other girls. Unfortunatley 2 years later she's doing the same thing and is wearing thin

You said you can't remember big women feud, I dont' know if you were talking about just Lita because your right I can't think of a girl feud that Lita actually helped get over but there were feuds with girl vs. girl that got over. Trish/ Steph pre-No Way Out. Sure there was a little sexuality in it but not the normal "you think your prettier then me lets fight" there seemed to be a reason "jealousy" and a pay off at NoWayOut that the fans were into it.

Also Trish/ Jazz I think connected well. And helped both women so much. Jazz came in at Survivor Series and it was pin-drop time not over at all but after a few months of beating the crap out of Trish (Trish bumping like a madwoman helped also) she was pretty much a legit heel. For Trish Survivor Series she won and everyone looked at it as a fluck, as champ she lucked out some wins getting 20% offense but lucking out in the end. Even her first defense vs. Jazz was help with face-ref Jacqualine. Then Trish lost the title to Jazz and got rematches and kept losing but got 25% offense then 35%. And finally the night I think made Trish into a legit even wrestler was the rAw she fought Jazz and jazz did a move and Trish shirt came off and in her bra she put on the STF on Jazz and wouldn't let go when Jazz reached the ropes and got DQed. I think that night showed Trish could put up an even fight with anyone, and helped her more then any title can... That Jazz/Trish feud is a great example character development for both girls





(edited by Net Hack Slasher on 20.7.02 1631)


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#17 Posted on
What we are seeing here and talking about is a reflection on why WWE sucks right now. They are rotating the stars, which is good, but they are not giving the stars any good story foundation for them to build from. And what they do give them is awful.

All the women are great athletes from a variety of backgrounds, backgrounds that can be made fodder for good character and story development. Look how far Kurt Angle got with his gold medal albeit it was mostly him. But, with the exception of Lita's character, none of the women were protected well. Molly's character changed twice. Trish's was retooled a couple of times as well. And then there's the fat-ass angle, easily one of the worst three ever.

I'm beginning to think that the writers are looking for the Kane/Diesel effect, a WWE storyline character that has an immediate impact on the fans, when they should just let the women be themselves. Molly trying to get the other women to think that there is more to themselves than T&A, and the other women led by Trish in response trying to get Molly to loosen up a bit more, just might be one of the solid long-term quest-like storylines that, if done right, get the fans over.

For these and other reasons, Mick Foley not being placed in a creative capacity after retirement was the worst thing that can happen to the WWE. Right now, only the characters that are really honed in are over.




(edited by deadbeater on 20.7.02 1738)

"Business has just picked up" says JR. Then right on cue, Molly enters the arena! Never was JR any better in introducing someone. --Raw 7/15
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#18 Posted on

    As a matter of fact, other than the weird spanking Lita/Chyna feud, I can't think of any big women's feuds that features compelling character development, or even drew any sort of attention. And I only mention the Lita/Chyna thing because, you know, it was freaky.



Jackie-Sable was the first big women's feud since Alundra-Bertha. It also had a good amount of heat and produced two fun PPV matches.

Stephanie-Trish had a pretty successful feud in the sense that they had one great PPV match and it helped Trish's face turn a lot. Overall the two of them generated a lot of heat.

(edited by Retro Rob on 21.7.02 1912)


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