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#21 Posted on
Between his time siding Del Rio and then as Funkasaurus... I feel like Clay was on main TVs for a long time before they stopped to figure this out. Hell, he was at Mania last year in that epic "cackle oddly before the first match" spot.

I liked him, but I think this highlights what a mess the lower card is these days. McIntyre's not getting any looks, the tag division is non-existent (which is a shame, I think Epico/Primo are outstanding), Hunico/Dibiase is doing nothing for me, and Mahal is... well.

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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.55
Seriously, I'm surprised there's anybody left who thinks they don't book according to spite all the time, and have been doing it for as long as many of us have been watching.

Not to make too big an issue out of Brodus Clay, because I don't think anybody knows just what the guy could be or if there was anywhere to go with the Funkasaurus thing, but it is symbolic of everything that grabbed people about the Punk angle last year. The lip service company line about "All ya gotta do is get THESE PEOPLE to cheer for you!" was just that, lip service. And the stuff about the company being run by a borderline crazy, very out-of-touch old guy was probably pretty close to the truth. Short of steroid scandals or someone literally being so popular that they save the company, they basically push people because they feel like it and they drop people because it's either funny that day, or the guy has a shitty handshake or wore a coat or something like that. It's a testament to their production quality, the skill of their best talent and the long-term infrastructure of the company that they rarely get down to TNA-level badness in those periods where Vince either isn't actively interested or is a little too interested.

Re: Brodus himself, he can't be any worse of a worker than guys like Ezekiel Jackson or Mason Ryan (though, to be fair, they did yank both of them from main shows, eventually), and the Funkasaurus gimmick proved that the guy is actually charismatic and knows how to engage with the crowd, two things they should definitely be able to use to make some money. That nobody could be bothered to come up with even a one minute segment for a giant, funny, really strong, dancing fat-guy in the most comedy heavy Royal Rumble of all time is probably all the evidence anyone should need that they never had any intention of doing anything with the gimmick and didn't expect people to embrace it like they did.
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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.63
    Originally posted by DJ FrostyFreeze
      Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
      How bad can his work be in one minute squashes?
    I think the point is they dont think he's capable of doing anything more than one minute squashes.




That strategy worked pretty well for Bill Goldberg.
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Since: 2.1.02
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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.97
Read it and weep, fella


    Originally posted by redsoxnation
    Dusty Rhodes...Polka Dots.

    Originally posted by Alex
    Dusty Rhodes, Perry Saturn, Mark Henry (especially Mark Henry, jesus), they do this kind of shit all the time.

    Originally posted by wannaberockstar
    Molly Holly, Trish Stratus, Mickie James, practically anyone who had to kiss Mr. Mcmahon's butt.


And the list goes on and on. But again, just to be clear:

    Originally posted by ME
    I understand that people get embarassed by dumb gimmicks and dumb angles in dumb segments all the time.
I'm not suggesting that Vince/WWE doesnt do dumb stuff that makes people look bad. But I believe he does them because HE thinks they're funny, not because he's intentionally trying to embarass/legit bury one of his own employees on TV (people on their way out dont count). A lot of times, said employee ends up getting embarassed/legit buried by foolishness they're "forced" to participate in, but I dont think that was Vince's intention. It just doesnt make sense. We can agree to disagree on that, but please dont get the idea that I'm suggesting that people aren't made to look stupid on WWE TV. Because they are. All the time.

    Originally posted by Moss
    Seriously did you and DJ just start watching WWE yesterday?
I'm just as confused as everyone else as to WHY Vince insists on putting stupid crap on TV, or WHY he seems to pull the rug out from under people right when they start getting over, or WHY Michael Cole is allowed to spend an entire segment burying people on commentary (especially that one), but I still dont think it's intentional in a "I want to hurt this guy's career & standing in the eyes of the fans" sort of way.



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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.08
    Originally posted by Dr Unlikely


    It's a testament to their production quality, the skill of their best talent and the long-term infrastructure of the company that they rarely get down to TNA-level badness in those periods where Vince either isn't actively interested or is a little too interested.


I would make the case that things were as bad TNA can be and WCW was on the Raw side back in '02-03. It is quite remarkable at this stage that they still have Cole burying guys, and don't see any issue when they are drawing the worst buyrates in years, and years and Raws ratings in 2011 were the worst they've been in a long time as well. Raws rating six weeks from Wrestlemania is a 2.99 and they're still going through with the Kane angle and still having Cole buying a top guy like Bryan. I also find it funny that Vince isn't happy with Clay's in ring work but is fine with Khali's work. It is amazing that Khali is going over guys like Rhodes and Barrett at this stage.

(edited by Brian on 16.2.12 1358)
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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.47
Even if they think Clay is a piece of crap and never want to use him, they should be at least running this gimmick into the ground while it is hot, selling Funkasaurus trinkets and shirts until The Universe can't handle it anymore. Like they really care about work rate.

The WWE just hates fat guys, and it's a shame because some of my favorite wrestlers from yesteryear were fat guys.



(edited by BigDaddyLoco on 16.2.12 1643)
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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.54
Why not put over a heel by having him obliterate Clay? If the absence is necessary, use it. They do this for wellness suspensions.



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Since: 31.7.07
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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.82
    Originally posted by Tribal Prophet


    And no one is going to buy a PPV for Santino's Cobra and power-walking.


He has sold in the past, especially when he was with Carlito. But I agree, I'm confused why Santino and not someone like Big Zeke was put into the serious match like the Chamber.



    No one is going to buy a PPV for a 26 second Diva's match.



Disagree. This is the reason why the Diva's get a 24 second match. http://www.wwe.com/shows/raw/2011-11-07/kelly-kelly-maxim-unveiling-photos

I can't stand the diva's either. But they do bring in publicity outside the "WWE Universe", so I see their logic in keeping them around.

Bottom line: I think the WWE might actually be protecting the Clay gimmick from being over-exposed too soon also. It'a also an expensive gimmick because they have to pay two dancers to appear with him also. After Wrestlemania, I wouldn't be surprised if it is brought back in some form, maybe some comedy skits like getting Big Show/Santino/Regal etc to partner with him and such.
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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.55
How expensive are the dancers you normally hire? Also, I believe they are WWE "dancers"; one is an nXt alum and the other is from Tuff Enuff (correct me if I'm wrong).

And of course Vince buries people (or strongly suggests burial of people) on a whim and out of spite. Not to pile on more names, but the Red Rooster immediately comes to mind. It is Vince's show, he can run it how he wants, and he does not let the workers ever forget it. I'm cynical, and I agree that Clay was demoted because he took what was supposed to be an embarrassment and got it over. This was supposed to be Dancin' Bastion Booger, but he got a more charismatic Rikishi without the pedigree.

(edited by Stefonics on 16.2.12 2244)
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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.88
    Originally posted by Stefonics
    How expensive are the dancers you normally hire? Also, I believe they are WWE "dancers"; one is an nXt alum and the other is from Tuff Enuff (correct me if I'm wrong).

    And of course Vince buries people (or strongly suggests burial of people) on a whim and out of spite. Not to pile on more names, but the Red Rooster immediately comes to mind. It is Vince's show, he can run it how he wants, and he does not let the workers ever forget it. I'm cynical, and I agree that Clay was demoted because he took what was supposed to be an embarrassment and got it over. This was supposed to be Dancin' Bastion Booger, but he got a more charismatic Rikishi without the pedigree.

    (edited by Stefonics on 16.2.12 2244)


This. I think the huge build up and eventually "sweve" was a middle finger to the fans and the writers/Vince would have a hearty laugh. Except the fans LOVED IT. And Clay OWNED it. So the next week he comes out and the reaction is BIGGER. And the next week too. The writers/Vince are so pissed that what was supposed to be a joke is one of hte more popular gimmicks, so they pull the plug.

Call me cynical too - I never believe the WWE does what is best for the fans - they do what is fun for them/Vince at the moment. Sometimes, like with Clay, it just backfires on them.



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Since: 9.1.02
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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.58


Kelly Kelly's Maxim shoot wasn't a PPV that people had to pay $55 dollars for. It was her getting attention because guys like looking at young good looking women who don't wear very much. She could easily be a valet or an interviewer and would have gotten the Maxim shoot.

I agree with others that have said the WWE missed a chance to have Clay out there dancing and killing jobbers (even the odd local guy) while selling shirts and bringing in quite a bit of money. Certainly enough cash to cover the costs of the two dancers (who I believe were getting paid either way since they're undercontract and just working in FCW until the WWE sees fit to call them "ready").

It's not like the WWE has a shortage of wrestlers that aren't stars to feed to him. According to Triple H, pretty much the whole roster fits that description.
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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.93
Vince totally has a history of burying people for petty reasons. Many have already been mentioned. At the time Henry was doing all the crap with Mae Young, the speculation was that Vince was trying to get him to quit so he'd be out of the ridiculous 10 year contract they had with him.

The Red Rooster is another example. There is no way you can tell me they thought that gimmick would work.
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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.62
Oh, for a loud "WE want BROdus~!" chant during next week's HHH/UT time in the ring.
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#34 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.12
    Originally posted by Wpob
      Originally posted by Stefonics
      How expensive are the dancers you normally hire? Also, I believe they are WWE "dancers"; one is an nXt alum and the other is from Tuff Enuff (correct me if I'm wrong).

      And of course Vince buries people (or strongly suggests burial of people) on a whim and out of spite. Not to pile on more names, but the Red Rooster immediately comes to mind. It is Vince's show, he can run it how he wants, and he does not let the workers ever forget it. I'm cynical, and I agree that Clay was demoted because he took what was supposed to be an embarrassment and got it over. This was supposed to be Dancin' Bastion Booger, but he got a more charismatic Rikishi without the pedigree.

      (edited by Stefonics on 16.2.12 2244)


    This. I think the huge build up and eventually "sweve" was a middle finger to the fans and the writers/Vince would have a hearty laugh. Except the fans LOVED IT. And Clay OWNED it. So the next week he comes out and the reaction is BIGGER. And the next week too. The writers/Vince are so pissed that what was supposed to be a joke is one of hte more popular gimmicks, so they pull the plug.

    Call me cynical too - I never believe the WWE does what is best for the fans - they do what is fun for them/Vince at the moment. Sometimes, like with Clay, it just backfires on them.


Thirded. That's exactly what happened-- Brodus took a gimmick that was supposed to make him look like a damn fool, and he KNOCKED THAT SUCKER OUT OF THE PARK.

"[Vince McMahon is] a millionaire who should be a billionaire; you know why he's not a billionaire? Because he surrounds himself with glad-handing, ass-kissing, douchebag yes-men like John Laurinitis who are gonna tell him exactly what he wants to hear."

And because he comes up with ridiculous ways to humiliate his employees. Jim Ross is the #1 example I can think of. See also: Natalya; Mickie James; Trish Stratus; Drew McIntyre. (Don't get me started with Michael Cole). It backfired with Brodus, which is why they're shelving him, because rather than risk Brodus's gimmick actually making money, they'd prefer to cut off their own noses just to spite their face.

"And I'd like to think that maybe this company will be better after Vince McMahon's dead, but the truth is, it'll just get taken over by his idiotic daughter and his doofus son-in-law and the rest of his stupid family!"

I don't see this kind of thing as being beneath Stephanie, either, though I think Triple H probably has more business sense than that. Truth be told, of course, there's no way to know who "the idiot in the back writing this crap" is right now.

But because there's no WCW or other truly viable competitor around, so that the Brodus Clays and Tyson Kidds of the world can say, "You know what? Instead of signing this contract extension, I'm saying 'fuck you guys' and going to WCW, where perhaps they'll actually PUT ME ON TELEVISION!", WWE feels they can do whatever they want.

(edited by ekedolphin on 18.2.12 0119)


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#35 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.00
Going a different direction with this... how self-aware do you think WWE is now?

Zack Ryder changed the game last year with his webshow, as did CM Punk with his 'shoot' promo that got everyone so interested for a month or two and launched him to superstardom. Could this possibly be a case where WWE is playing to the internet in a way the internet doesn't realize? Perhaps an attempt to recapture the 'Ryder Revolution'?

We have people right in this very thread hoping for "We want Brodus" chants during high-profile segments. While I don't think they're going to be interrupting HHH/Undertaker anytime soon, I also wouldn't have thought the Rock would get "We want Ryder" chants during an in-ring promo either. By giving people a tease of Brodus and then pulling him like this, they might be setting up an 'absence makes the heart grow fonder' situation for most fans, while leaking the 'his wrestling wasn't up to par' to try to whip the internet fans into a frenzy over Khali or Otunga or whatever other limited wrestler featured on TV people want to lash out at. Are they doing this to test the waters of the new, social media-driven world and see if what happened with Zack Ryder was a one-time fluke or the wave of the future?
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#36 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.82
Here's also another line of reasoning by the WWE... Brodus Clay has a movie coming out in a couple of months.... Do you want his gimmick burned out before then? Makes every bit of sense to bring him back after Wrestlemania and right before his movie gets released.

Folks, bottom line, there is no conspiracy against Brodus Clay.
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#37 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.54
He's still in the new SmackDown opening. And for a new guy, he was put in there very quickly.



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#38 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.13
    Originally posted by Chumpstain
    Going a different direction with this... how self-aware do you think WWE is now?

    Zack Ryder changed the game last year with his webshow, as did CM Punk with his 'shoot' promo that got everyone so interested for a month or two and launched him to superstardom. Could this possibly be a case where WWE is playing to the internet in a way the internet doesn't realize? Perhaps an attempt to recapture the 'Ryder Revolution'?

    We have people right in this very thread hoping for "We want Brodus" chants during high-profile segments. While I don't think they're going to be interrupting HHH/Undertaker anytime soon, I also wouldn't have thought the Rock would get "We want Ryder" chants during an in-ring promo either. By giving people a tease of Brodus and then pulling him like this, they might be setting up an 'absence makes the heart grow fonder' situation for most fans, while leaking the 'his wrestling wasn't up to par' to try to whip the internet fans into a frenzy over Khali or Otunga or whatever other limited wrestler featured on TV people want to lash out at. Are they doing this to test the waters of the new, social media-driven world and see if what happened with Zack Ryder was a one-time fluke or the wave of the future?


Hmm. Point taken.



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#39 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.24
An update:

    Originally posted by this week's WON
    The actual story on Brodus Clay is that Vince McMahon thought he was too unsafe and reckless a worker and doesn't want him out there until he's safer to work with. We don't know if this was something agents told Vince, he came up with watching on his own, or guys who worked with Clay complained to Vince about. There were eyebrows raised about Vince being strong on this issue in trying to protect talent safety and then this past week's Raw putting Henry, Rhodes and to a lesser extent Kingston in television matches when two of the three had no business being out there, and the third was pretty banged up as well.




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#40 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.61
    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
    He's still in the new SmackDown opening. And for a new guy, he was put in there very quickly.


He was just added to the Raw open too. In fact, I think they started that open after they shelved Brodus.



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