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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.61
    Originally posted by El Nastio
      Originally posted by lotjx
      Right on cue.


    You've been working at a place for around eight years or so. You've invested your time, accumulated a little bit of political capital. You're around 32 years old, and you've been with the company since their inception. You're respected by your peers regardless of what company you work for, well thought of, and generally thought of as being excellent. For eight years you strive to be The Man, but for some reason they don't trust you enough to build the company on your name. They continually false start your pushes and can job you out with poor story lines and feuds.

    Meanwhile, someone who is 37 years of age gets released from a rival promotion. Like it or not, he wasn't exactly lighting the word on fire there. He gets brought into your company and gets pushed into the main event. Meanwhile you still toil about wondering what else it would take for you stay at the very top.

    Take this scenario and multiply it a few times and welcome to the world of AJ Styles. Where you all you need is a bit of WWE/WCW (preferably both) exposure to immediately jump ahead of the curve.


    - Ric Flair.
    - Kurt Angle.
    - Jeff Hardy.
    - Ken Anderson.
    - Rob Van Dam.
    - Mick Foley.
    - Tommy Dreamer.
    - The Dudleys.
    - Rhino.

    Yub yub.

    (edited by El Nastio on 3.12.10

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I think you mean Joe more then AJ, the longest running TNA champion of all time. AJ has been a multiple world champion and headlined a ton of PPVs in the last two years. Every champion has to go back of the line for awhile, this is AJ's time even though at anytime, he could turn and be in the World Title match in a second. Has he been in the past pushed back, sure, everyone is when a company gets a new acquisition and wants to push hard. MVP should knew, he has been that guy who gets pushed back. He hasn't world titles, headlined PPVs and so like AJ. I love AJ, but I am not going to cry for him.

Joe, Kaz and other TNA originals have been pushed back, but this year AJ, Beer Money, MCMG, Lethal and I think Kaz all had titles this year, hell MCMG still has their tag titles. So, yes has TNA moved someone like Joe who should going for the title instead of Morgan in another crappy JJ feud. If anyone has a bone to pick with Hogan & Bischoff its either people like Kong, Daniels and those who have been fired as well as Joe. Everyone had and continues to have good spots on the show. Granted, I would love to see more X-Division, KO and tag matches plus less Hogan and Bischoff. Yet, its two hour show and they spent money on Hogan, Bischoff, Jeff and Anderson, its a waste of money if they don't use them. Plus, Flair will be gone by the time the WCW HOF comes around, so Fortune will be gone by January. MVP can easily go to TNA and be a good draw for them. They would be stupid not to get him.
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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.26
I sort-of agree about Joe, but I think the "elephant in the room" with him is his conditioning. Seems to be improving, but he did let himself slide and you'd always wonder when/if he'd let himself slide again.

I like MVP, but I don't think he brought anything unique to the product. He needs a more serious gimmick and needs to work with more energy. Maybe he'll spend some time in Japan and come back to WWE with a renewed focus.



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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.16
    Originally posted by Rudoublesedoublel
    I sort-of agree about Joe, but I think the "elephant in the room" with him is his conditioning. Seems to be improving, but he did let himself slide and you'd always wonder when/if he'd let himself slide again.

    I like MVP, but I don't think he brought anything unique to the product. He needs a more serious gimmick and needs to work with more energy. Maybe he'll spend some time in Japan and come back to WWE with a renewed focus.

By conditioning do you mean appearance or cardiovascular capacity? Because I've seen jiggly Joe work 60 minutes without gassing more than once. (Wow, that sentence is ugly. I of course mean I have seen Joe work 60 minutes on multiple occasions. In those times, he never appeared to become gassed.)

(edited by spf on 3.12.10 1529)


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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.29
I think Joe is more handicapped by having to treat Jeff Jarrett as a threat.

But, as I ponder upon, a Pope/MVP team could be a hot stable foundation.



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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.51
    Originally posted by El Nastio
      Originally posted by lotjx
      Right on cue.


    You've been working at a place for around eight years or so. You've invested your time, accumulated a little bit of political capital. You're around 32 years old, and you've been with the company since their inception. You're respected by your peers regardless of what company you work for, well thought of, and generally thought of as being excellent. For eight years you strive to be The Man, but for some reason they don't trust you enough to build the company on your name. They continually false start your pushes and can job you out with poor story lines and feuds.

    Meanwhile, someone who is 37 years of age gets released from a rival promotion. Like it or not, he wasn't exactly lighting the word on fire there. He gets brought into your company and gets pushed into the main event. Meanwhile you still toil about wondering what else it would take for you stay at the very top.

    Take this scenario and multiply it a few times and welcome to the world of AJ Styles. Where you all you need is a bit of WWE/WCW (preferably both) exposure to immediately jump ahead of the curve.


Isn't that more of an issue with management, though? There's nothing wrong with bringing in guys who can contribute, like MVP, and using them that way, but whoever's booking seems to have a serious case of Shiny New Toy Syndrome. They've got the talent to at least be more competitive, but no clue how to properly make use of it.





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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.37
    Originally posted by lotjx
      Originally posted by Amos Cochran
        Originally posted by lotjx
        I look forward to MVP going to TNA and then get bashed, because he is getting the push WWE refused to give him even though he deserved it.


      He's 37 years old and has been visibly jobbed out by the biggest wrestling company in the world for the past eighteen months. Deserved push or not, TNA probably shouldn't be lookin to him as anything other than a midcard pickup, and even then they've got waaaay too many of those guys as it is.


    Right on cue.
Dear troll,

This thread isn't about TNA, unless you take MVP's tweet to mean he's headed for TNA International...which makes you an idiot, because there is no such thing.



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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.81
If Angle can't get Haas and Benjamin in and if Jeff can't get Gregory Helms in then TNA might actually be bad enough off that they're in a real hiring freeze right now. Unless you become hardcore country friends with Dixie.
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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.16
(Never mind- my post was off-topic for the thread).

(edited by PaulKTF on 3.12.10 1731)
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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.28
    Originally posted by lotjx
    MVP can easily go to TNA and be a good draw for them.

Define "draw." It seems, based on ratings and (what we know about) buyrates, no one in TNA is a real "draw." Not Hogan, not Flair, not Hardy. So I don't know what kind of "draw" you really mean here.
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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.20
    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
    I think Joe is more handicapped by having to treat Jeff Jarrett as a threat.

    But, as I ponder upon, a Pope/MVP team could be a hot stable foundation.
He's far more handicapped by Russo's booking. Look at how Joe was booked his first year and a half in TNA vs How he's been booked the last four years with Russo in charge.

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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.61
    Originally posted by CRZ
      Originally posted by lotjx
        Originally posted by Amos Cochran
          Originally posted by lotjx
          I look forward to MVP going to TNA and then get bashed, because he is getting the push WWE refused to give him even though he deserved it.


        He's 37 years old and has been visibly jobbed out by the biggest wrestling company in the world for the past eighteen months. Deserved push or not, TNA probably shouldn't be lookin to him as anything other than a midcard pickup, and even then they've got waaaay too many of those guys as it is.


      Right on cue.
    Dear troll,

    This thread isn't about TNA, unless you take MVP's tweet to mean he's headed for TNA International...which makes you an idiot, because there is no such thing.


Yes, I am the troll in this where I jokingly mention MVP going to TNA then follow it up with another joke after one of Amos' traditional Anti-TNA rant.

As for Joe, I do feel bad for him both for being viewed as a fat Rock and for the booking committee treating him like a second thought. I just don't see him or AJ or Kaz or any of the other TNA guys doing that well in WWE either. The best thing you can say is that at least he is on TV and in most if not all of their PPVs. I do remember hearing that was a freeze going on, but with Mickie's hire I thought it was over. If there is still a freeze going on I expect it to thaw out after Hogan, Flair and Bischoff leave.
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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.37
    Originally posted by lotjx
    Yes, I am the troll in this where I jokingly mention MVP going to TNA then follow it up with another joke after one of Amos' traditional Anti-TNA rant.
Do you really not see that this is the textbook definition of trolling? You went trolling, you successfully trolled Amos, and if that wasn't enough, you then bragged about it.

"Whoa! Just a joke!" is a pitiful defense but a favourite one for trolls.

Please don't troll.



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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.67
So apparently MVP is going to end his WWE career (for now) by eating a faceful of table and getting chokeslammed by Kane. Eh, still better than going out with Cryme Tyme selling your underwear.



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#34 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.48
    Originally posted by Shem the Penman
    So apparently MVP is going to end his WWE career (for now) by eating a faceful of table and getting chokeslammed by Kane. Eh, still better than going out with Cryme Tyme selling your underwear.


Says the guy with a avatar of one sparkly anime girl feeling up another sparkly girls boobs.

Give him a few years off in Japan or whatever and he can come back and get his win back. Kane will still be there, I'm sure.



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#35 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.42
Read it and weep, fella


He can probably keep 'MVP', right?



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#36 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.03
    Originally posted by DJ FrostyFreeze
    He can probably keep 'MVP', right?


I wouldn't think so. It's not derived from his real name, and he never used it before he was in WWE developmental. I'm not sure what the rules are for Japan, but if he showed up in TNA I think he'd have to use something else.
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#37 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.19
According to the Florida Dept of Corrections, by way of Wikipedia, his name is Hassan Hamin Assad (born Alvin Burke, Jr.)



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#38 Posted on
    Originally posted by DJ FrostyFreeze
    He can probably keep 'MVP', right?


He can just go back to the name he used in ROH and the indies: Antonio Bank$. That's with the dollar sign. Maybe Ke$ha could be his valet. Or maybe not.



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#39 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.14
Does he get to keep Sherri Shepherd?
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#40 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.34
She apparently didn't like that he was on the road all the time.

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