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#61 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.08
AL - Right now I'm leaning towards Vlad as he really makes that team go, but I really like the Mariano argument.

NL - Bonds. No question about it. For the simple fact that if you have two MVP caliber players on one team they cancel each other out. If you take Rolen away I still like my chances with Pujols or vice versa, but if you take Bonds away from the Giants ...well, forget about it you're left with a very strange looking team.




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The MVP should be about more than simply hitting the ball. Furthermore, Bonds would not have the same numbers if he got pitched to more often. Pitchers tend to unreasonably scared of him, thus inflating some of his numbers. I think his performance against St. Louis a few months back is a good indication of how he really plays.



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#63 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.69

    Furthermore, Bonds would not have the same numbers if he got pitched to more often.


The problem with that is this isn't theoretical, it's based on what actually happens. This is roughly as useful as a Bonds defense being, "Well, if you cut off Scott Rolen's foot, I bet he'd be worse."


    I think his performance against St. Louis a few months back is a good indication of how he really plays.


I think a better one might be the rest of this season and the rest of his career.



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#64 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.19
    Originally posted by ScottChrist
    I think a better one might be the rest of this season and the rest of his career.


Oh, you mean him tanking in the post season and not contributing to a winner?

(sorry, gotta be a hater when it comes to Bonds)



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#65 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.09
    Originally posted by eviljonhunt81
    The MVP should be about more than simply hitting the ball.

Agreed, but no one's a good enough fielder to make up for Bonds' ridiculous batting prowess.

    Furthermore, Bonds would not have the same numbers if he got pitched to more often.

Yeah, he'd have more impressive numbers. His OBP would go down, but you can't say his BA or SLG% would go down. On top of that, he'd hit 60 HRs easy, drive in 150, and would win the Triple Crown...both this year and in 2002. This hypothetical situation does not help your argument. You should be happy he doesn't get a chance to swing the bat consistently.

    Pitchers tend to unreasonably scared of him, thus inflating some of his numbers.

It only inflates his OBP. It doesn't do anything to his BA or his SLG%. If he was walked the same amount as Pujols, he'd still have a greater OBP and would still be 150 points better in slugging. He'd also have many many more HRs and RBIs.

    I think his performance against St. Louis a few months back is a good indication of how he really plays.

This is just stupid. Using that logic, I think his performance yesterday is a better one: 4-5, 2 HRs (925 ft worth), 6 RBIs. In actuality, I think his 2000-2004 seasons are a better indication. Or his entire SF career. Take your pick.
    Originally posted by StaggerLee
      Originally posted by ScottChrist
      I think a better one might be the rest of this season and the rest of his career.
    Oh, you mean him tanking in the post season and not contributing to a winner?

In 2002 he put up one of the most impressive cumulative playoff performances in the history of the game, which should at least afford him some reprieve from this lame argument.

Speaking of not contributing to a winner, your boy Rolen, in his 9 previous seasons, has a whopping 7 total playoff ABs.

Speaking of tanking in the post-season, your boy Pujols, in his 2 appearances, is hitting a robust .213 (10-47, 2 HRs).

So shutup about Bonds' playoff numbers.
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