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#1 Posted on
from nypost.com/sports:

Vince McMahon's latest contribution to educating American children was a graphic lesson in necrophilia.

Monday, within the WWE's primetime show on CBS/Viacom-owned TNN, an angle was presented in which a wrestler sexually groped a female corpse. Had this angle been staged in reverse - had the WWE presented a woman having sex with the corpse of one of McMahon's pro wrestlers - there would be plenty of real corpses to choose from.





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#2 Posted on
I can honestly say this is the first time I've agreed with Mushnick on a wrestling take.



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Eh, I expected a more harsh reaction to the angle instead of the sarcasm that we get...but like it matters anyway? Fuck him....Good to see he udnerstood what was happening as he said the wrestler was 'groping a female corpse', obviously not aware the the skit was a spoof, and there was no confusing the fact that it was OBVIOUSLY a dummy (in storyline and reality).

However, that last comment was COMPLETELY unneccesary about the dead wrestlers. There's no reason to shit on the British Bulldog because Vince came up with a stupid angle. I understand where people are coming from when they hate wrestling, say it's fake, blah blah, but his problem with wrestling is obviously a little too personal...I've never seen people show disrespect for the dead of our great sport like he does.
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#4 Posted on

    Originally posted by BRUTLE
    Eh, I expected a more harsh reaction to the angle instead of the sarcasm that we get...but like it matters anyway? Fuck him....Good to see he udnerstood what was happening as he said the wrestler was 'groping a female corpse', obviously not aware the the skit was a spoof, and there was no confusing the fact that it was OBVIOUSLY a dummy (in storyline and reality).

    However, that last comment was COMPLETELY unneccesary about the dead wrestlers. There's no reason to shit on the British Bulldog because Vince came up with a stupid angle. I understand where people are coming from when they hate wrestling, say it's fake, blah blah, but his problem with wrestling is obviously a little too personal...I've never seen people show disrespect for the dead of our great sport like he does.




He didn't mention Bulldog in the story. He could be talking about Jerry Blackwell or Eddie Gilbert, whose deaths he has mentioned in the papers. The death rate for wrestlers is high, and Mushnick has a point he clings to because it can't be refuted.



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#5 Posted on

    Originally posted by tomvejada
    from nypost.com/sports:

    had the WWE presented a woman having sex with the corpse of one of McMahon's pro wrestlers - there would be plenty of real corpses to choose from.




Silly Phil, they already did that angle. Wasn't that the point of the Tracy angle?



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#6 Posted on

    Originally posted by Underwater

      Originally posted by tomvejada
      from nypost.com/sports:

      had the WWE presented a woman having sex with the corpse of one of McMahon's pro wrestlers - there would be plenty of real corpses to choose from.




    Silly Phil, they already did that angle. Wasn't that the point of the Tracy angle?





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    Originally posted by BRUTLE
    I've never seen people show disrespect for the dead of our great sport like he does.


When did this type of wrestling/soap opera become a "great sport?" I must have missed a memo or something.



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#8 Posted on
Come on. The "great sport" deserves all the disrespect it gets.

Again and again, wrestlers die from drug overdoses or complications from heavy drug use. And they die YOUNG.

If this was any other "sport", you can bet your butt something would be done about it. But in professional wrestling, everyone just goes on their merry way.

That's totally fucked, and in that sense the HHH/Katie skit was morbidly ironic.

The fact that the whole sorry circus is marketed to KIDS, many of whom can't really distinguish between what's real and what's not, is a sad indictment of the times we live in.
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#9 Posted on
It's times like this I wish I had more money to rent DVDs...

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#10 Posted on
Once again, kudos to Phil Munchdick for taking what could have been a valid argument and ruining it with cynicism and his inability to let his lynchpin go.



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#11 Posted on
Yes, any industry which had so many people dying young would be shut down, which is why I still remember the great Rock and Roll Shutdown of 199....what? They didn't shut that down despite the fact that tons of young rockers seem to die prematurely? Damn.



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spf, there is a fundamental difference between rock and roll/wrestling and football/bseball/basketball/etc.

On a football team, baseball team, etc, people, while they may be concerned in their individual goals, have a team to think about as their primary raison d'etre. Wrestlers and, to a lesser extent, musicians, have no infrastructure to place peer pressure on them to do the right thing, etc.



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#13 Posted on

    Originally posted by BRUTLE
    I understand where people are coming from when they hate wrestling, say it's fake, blah blah, but his problem with wrestling is obviously a little too personal...I've never seen people show disrespect for the dead of our great sport like he does.


The sport doesn't respect its dead, so why should anyone else?

I think the drug issue and the frequent deaths would be a MUCH better reason to think wrestling is complete garbage than the whole real vs fake issue.

Fans tack dignity and honor onto wrestling that the wrestlers and promoters themselves largely don't care about...




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#14 Posted on
I never saw the wwe use the death of owen hart to, storylinewise, jab at bret hart

I never saw them use the deaths of brian pillman in any story matter, I never saw them use the legit deaths of anyone publicly for gain

mushnick IS using the deaths of men for a cheap soundbyte in his column, THAT is the difference
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#15 Posted on
    Originally posted by pieman

      Originally posted by BRUTLE
      I've never seen people show disrespect for the dead of our great sport like he does.


    When did this type of wrestling/soap opera become a "great sport?" I must have missed a memo or something.



Just because they're doing a bad angle, and just because the WWE is going through hard times, doesn't mean that I think pro-wrestling should lose it's title as "our great sport". We've called it that for years, have we forgotten? No matter how bad times are, it will always be MY great sport, at least.

Necrophelia sucks though...

(edited by BRUTLE on 25.10.02 1355)
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#16 Posted on

    Originally posted by BRUTLE
      Originally posted by pieman

        Originally posted by BRUTLE
        I've never seen people show disrespect for the dead of our great sport like he does.


      When did this type of wrestling/soap opera become a "great sport?" I must have missed a memo or something.



    Just because they're doing a bad angle, and just because the WWE is going through hard times, doesn't mean that I think pro-wrestling should lose it's title as "our great sport". We've called it that for years, have we forgotten? No matter how bad times are, it will always be MY great sport, at least.

    Necrophelia sucks though...

    (edited by BRUTLE on 25.10.02 1355)



Well, maybe so, but us fans are definitely in brown-paper-bag-over-our-heads mode, you have to admit.

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#17 Posted on

    Originally posted by Evil Antler God
    I never saw the wwe use the death of owen hart to, storylinewise, jab at bret hart

    I never saw them use the deaths of brian pillman in any story matter, I never saw them use the legit deaths of anyone publicly for gain

    mushnick IS using the deaths of men for a cheap soundbyte in his column, THAT is the difference





Remember the RAW after Pillman's death where Vince decided to have the beginning of his heel turn by conducting a harsh interview with the widow of Pillman less than 48 hours after his death.



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#18 Posted on
actually no, I don't recall that

damn pot, really did effect my....something or other

but regardless, mushnick has been attempting to sound high and mighty for forever in his columns, how does a cheap shot like that make him any better than the "evil" show he's spent ages trying to insult?

(edited by Evil Antler God on 25.10.02 1126)
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#19 Posted on

    Originally posted by Evil Antler God
    actually no, I don't recall that

    damn pot, really did effect my....something or other

    but regardless, mushnick has been attempting to sound high and mighty for forever in his columns, how does a cheap shot like that make him any better than the "evil" show he's spent ages trying to insult?

    (edited by Evil Antler God on 25.10.02 1126)





I actually buy the Post everyday, and if you really want to rip Muschnick, do it on the days when he gets all high and mighty about the degenerates in insert sport, and then see the ads for the strip clubs and guns for sale on the same page. Muschnick's a hypocrite, but he is correct about the extremely high death toll in wrestling.



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#20 Posted on
Is the death toll really that high? Granted, any deaths are too many, but has anyone ever looked into the mortality rates of "legitimate" sports like Football and Hockey?



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