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Not that we watch NBC much anyway - but it's because of Olbermann and Matthews. We pretty much watch CNN or Fox.

    Originally posted by AP

    NEW YORK - MSNBC is replacing Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews as co-anchors of political night coverage with David Gregory, and will use the two newsmen as commentators.

    The change reflects tensions between the freewheeling, opinionated MSNBC and the impartial newsgatherers at NBC News. Throughout the primaries and summer, MSNBC argued that Olbermann and Matthews could serve as dispassionate anchors on political news nights and that viewers would accept them in that role, but things fell apart during the conventions.

    Gregory, the veteran Washington hand, will anchor MSNBC's coverage of the presidential and vice presidential debates and election night, network spokesman Jeremy Gaines said Sunday. The change was first reported by The New York Times.



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Christopher deserves better treatment....but that might bruise Keith's ego or something. Bring back Dan Abrams!



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I certainly hope they will stop trotting out Luke Russert at every possible occasion as well. The kid's 22, and belongs nowhere near a national broadcast, even if it is cable. His dad will be missed during the election, but there's no reason to tarnish his memory by putting an unprepared, uncomfortable on camera recent college graduate in the mix just because they share a last name.



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It makes sense in that they, especially Olbermann, don't pretend to be object, well Matthews sometime. What bothers me more is the pretense of "Fair and Balanced." I don't mind what Fox does but for God's sake be honest.

And AWA, I think Brian Williams would prefer you don't lump MSNBC with NBC.

Personally, I like that I know where someone stands, especially since most of what is called news on the cable stations is really more a loud oped page.



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    Originally posted by Zundian
    I certainly hope they will stop trotting out Luke Russert at every possible occasion as well. The kid's 22, and belongs nowhere near a national broadcast, even if it is cable. His dad will be missed during the election, but there's no reason to tarnish his memory by putting an unprepared, uncomfortable on camera recent college graduate in the mix just because they share a last name.


I haven't seen him on air (mostly watching CNN instead since it's in HD) but I read a post on MSNBC's First Read the other day without reading the byline first and I was wondering what high school kid hacked into MSNBC and posted his ramblings. Then I noticed it was scripted by the young Russert. He's not ready.



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    Originally posted by DrDirt
    And AWA, I think Brian Williams would prefer you don't lump MSNBC with NBC.


NBC is the network that chose those socialists to be their anchors, Doc. Brian Williams clearly has no power. Paper anchor. I bet that wouldn't have happened to Brokow. They weren't just on MSNBC, they were on NBC. At least, if I was watching something else on NBC or Universal HD or USA, Olbermann was the only one I ever saw doing updates. I never turned NBCs actual coverage on once.

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Translation: the GOP bitched and moaned that a commentator actually called them on their bullshit, so MSNBC caved.

I'm not a big fan of Olbermann/Matthews because political views aside, they just seemed like a pretty sloppily-prepared team. But this move is just eye-rolling. The concept of the 'liberal media bias' is perhaps the biggest myth in all of politics.



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    Originally posted by Big Bad
    Translation: the GOP bitched and moaned that a commentator actually called them on their bullshit, so MSNBC caved.
That's.....not quite how things work.



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    Originally posted by PeterStork
      Originally posted by Zundian
      I certainly hope they will stop trotting out Luke Russert at every possible occasion as well. The kid's 22, and belongs nowhere near a national broadcast, even if it is cable. His dad will be missed during the election, but there's no reason to tarnish his memory by putting an unprepared, uncomfortable on camera recent college graduate in the mix just because they share a last name.


    I haven't seen him on air (mostly watching CNN instead since it's in HD) but I read a post on MSNBC's First Read the other day without reading the byline first and I was wondering what high school kid hacked into MSNBC and posted his ramblings. Then I noticed it was scripted by the young Russert. He's not ready.


You'd like to think he'd be more polished, considering how long he has had that radio show on XM with Carville and that he interned at PTI.



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    Originally posted by CRZ
      Originally posted by Big Bad
      Translation: the GOP bitched and moaned that a commentator actually called them on their bullshit, so MSNBC caved.
    That's.....not quite how things work.

Just to play devil's advocate, they could if they want to refuse to speak with MSNBC until they changed anchors. Kind of the way Obama refused to speak with O'Reilly (until he suddenly changed his mind; what a great decision that turned out to be...).
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    Originally posted by AWArulz
      Originally posted by DrDirt
      And AWA, I think Brian Williams would prefer you don't lump MSNBC with NBC.


    NBC is the network that chose those socialists to be their anchors, Doc. Brian Williams clearly has no power. Paper anchor. I bet that wouldn't have happened to Brokow. They weren't just on MSNBC, they were on NBC. At least, if I was watching something else on NBC or Universal HD or USA, Olbermann was the only one I ever saw doing updates. I never turned NBCs actual coverage on once.

    (edited by AWArulz on 8.9.08 1922)


I don't watch any of the big three. My point, I guess, is that there are objective reporters, even at Fox News (just kidding). My wife whose reports on local government for a daily will even admit that there is no such thing as objective reporting since you have to decide what does or doesn't get reported.

And honestly AWA, isn't Olberman better than most since he doesn't pretend to be fair, unlike Hannity or O'Reily.



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    Originally posted by DrDirt
    And honestly AWA, isn't Olberman better than most since he doesn't pretend to be fair, unlike Hannity or O'Reily.


Doc-

I don't think Hannity or O'Reily claim to be fair (although O'Reily likes to pretend he's in a "No Spin Zone" while spinning like a madman), as they clearly host opinion shows and freely share their opinions. The difference in this case is not that MSNBC had a problem with what Olbermann & Matthews were saying on their respective shows, it was what they were saying while tasked with anchoring MSNBC's convention coverage.

Fox had Brit Hume cover & CNN used Wolf Blitzer, both not hosts of opinion shows & both traditionally used in news "anchor" positions. MSNBC's mistake was the placement of the people sharing their opinions, not the opinions being shared.
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I actually think this was the right call. There is certainly a place for commentary shows be they right or left leaning. They can be fun to watch, full of zingers and gotcha moments and so on, but when it comes to covering a major news event I prefer newsmen/newswomen doing the heavy lifting. If I want opinion I can watch Countdown but for election coverage I much prefer pure journalism.




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I had read in Newsweek, I believe, that both Matthews and Olbermann were in a snit over something or other that Tom Browkaw said or did. Allegedly K.O. went so far as to say that Mr. Browkaw shouldn't be invited back on MSNBC anytime soon. I've not heard that elsewhere, so I don't know how much truth there is to that.

On another note. BIG BAD, the concept of "liberal media bias" really depends on what side of the aisle you sit on. I see it rather frequently, more in the daily newspapers than anything else. The NY Daily News is very biased towards the left, while the NY post leans to the right.

If you've ever had the chance to read Bernard Goldberg's Bias, he gives some pretty good examples. Although, some other examples he gives ARE pretty thin.



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    Originally posted by Von Maestro
      Originally posted by DrDirt
      And honestly AWA, isn't Olberman better than most since he doesn't pretend to be fair, unlike Hannity or O'Reily.


    Doc-

    I don't think Hannity or O'Reily claim to be fair (although O'Reily likes to pretend he's in a "No Spin Zone" while spinning like a madman), as they clearly host opinion shows and freely share their opinions. The difference in this case is not that MSNBC had a problem with what Olbermann & Matthews were saying on their respective shows, it was what they were saying while tasked with anchoring MSNBC's convention coverage.

    Fox had Brit Hume cover & CNN used Wolf Blitzer, both not hosts of opinion shows & both traditionally used in news "anchor" positions. MSNBC's mistake was the placement of the people sharing their opinions, not the opinions being shared.



I agree. It just makes sense to make the move. And IMHO, Hannity pretends he is trying to be fair.



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Matthews in the past had been pretty decent on election coverage, but that was before he went completely in the tank for Obama. The next time I find Keith Olbermann entertaining will be the first time.
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Olbermann used to be very entertaining, until he discovered his "special comments" got ratings. Ever since he's gone deeper and deeper off the edge.

O'Reily brags all the time about being fair. I don't think I've ever seen him not say "We just wanna be fair" or something similar.
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If anyone still believes that the media has a liberal bias, I would ask you to look objectively at what's been going on in the campaign of late. Consider, for example, the whole brouhaha over Obama's "lipstick on a pig" comment. This should not have been a story at all--he didn't even *mention* Sarah Palin, so there's no way any reasonable person could have concluded that Palin was being called a pig.

But what happened? Drudge, who has a conservative agenda, made it a big story on his site. And once he did, the conservatives--Rush, Hannity, O'Reilly, the New York Post, Salem radio, Fox News--all started going on about it. So the mainstream media, ever mindful of how it's constantly accused of being too liberal, sees that all these sources are talking about it, and it feels obligated to cover the story, too. Sure, it tries to present a "balanced" view--but in this case, a balanced view isn't remotely close to a fair view. A *fair* view would be either to ignore the story altogether, or to begin the story by saying "the McCain campaign is attempting to distort the truth," but they're so scared of being called "the liberal media" that they certainly won't do that. So they report the McCain allegations as though they had some basis in fact, present Obama's denials without explaining how obviously he's correct, and the focus of the story is "Obama may have made a sexist attack" and not "McCain may have been lying". Most news sources don't even show the clips of McCain using the exact same phrase about Hillary Clinton a few months ago, let alone point out that if he thinks that using that phrase amounts to sexist behavior, then he must have been sexist towards Clinton.

And this happens all the time. The liberals just don't have a media machine that acheive the same critical mass. Sure, there's Air America, but it doesn't have the reach of the conservative radio talkers. There are blogs and such, but they don't reach as many people, and particularly as many media shakers, as Drudge. By the time Olbermann talks about it, it's not really news anymore anyway, and something else will take the stage the next day. The conservatives will claim that the liberals have the New York Times, NPR, and so on, but whatever editorial stances those sources have, their newsgathering is objective and they're not going to behave that way. (Note that I did not, above, include any equivalents, such as the Wall Street Journal, which have conservative editorial stances but respected, objective reporting.)

So the lipstick on a pig fracas got lots of coverage, while the fact that Palin lied when, in her joining-the-ticket speech, she claimed to have turned down the "bridge to nowhere" got so little attention that she felt free to repeat the same lie in her convention speech. (Again, the media is so cowed by being tarred as "the liberal media" that they're afraid to call a lie a lie. They just present the same denial from the other party no matter which side is right.) And no one spends time on any conservative equivalent of the "lipstick on a pig" remark, because there's no mechanism to make a big deal of it. Did you know that there's a waitress in Alaska who says that she heard Palin, after the Democratic primaries, say, "So Sambo beat the bitch?" A whole lot more inflammatory than "lipstick on a pig," but, hey, no one's talking about that, so it must not be news, right? Now, it's true that, so far, no one has come forward to corroborate the waitress' story--but somehow I doubt that the media is making much of an effort to find someone. And I'm sure that if the shoe was on the other foot, the Drudges and O'Reillys would be making such a fuss over it that we'd be hearing about it even if there weren't confirmation. Heard about the Michigan Republicans planning to challenge any voter who has a foreclosure notice to prove they still live in the state? Or Mississippi's ballot illegally putting one of the Senate races at the bottom of the ballot? I bet (most of) you haven't.

This fits in with what I was saying earlier about how Todd Palin's involvement in the Alaska Independance Party has been a non-story, while if Michelle Obama had been involved with a secessionist group, it would have been used. It's true that the media can never be completely unbiased, although the sources of that bias are diverse and therefore often conflicting. But the conservatives' strategy in "working the umps" by making the phrase "liberal media" a mantra has completely tipped the playing field. Remember, the 2000 election was only called for Bush by the networks because they all wanted to follow suit from the first to call the election--which was Fox News. Where the call was made by John Ellis--Bush's cousin.
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Oh, man, we almost made it through the week without somebody bringing up the "lipstick on a pig" nonstory here on the board.



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You read the Daily Kos a LOT, don't you?

(I deleted the rest of my response since it seemed like CRZ didn't want it discussed)

(edited by AWArulz on 12.9.08 1307)


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