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Trunzo
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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.80
This is my open apology to Mr. Ken Anderson. Ken, you are my favorite wrestler (for no real reason other than I think you are funny and your gimmick rules), and I really gave TNA the benefit of the doubt. I've watched every Impact since you showed up and even bought the PPV. But after tonight, I can no longer give TNA my business, and can no longer watch you. I just watched a man handcuffed to a rope, who then got magic powers from a ring, and was able to break through said handcuffs and clear out a ring of 3 people. I cannot, in good faith, watch this product anymore. To you, Ken, I apologize - but this stuff is getting stupider than the Hornswoggle magic door stuff. Good luck in TNA.

(This post will probably be banished soon, and I'm sorry CRZ. I just needed to get it off my chest.)
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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.14
Not to mention the fact that the same man who broke the handcuffs beat the man who had one of the hottest debuts and feuds in the company about 6 months ago in less than 2 minutes.

Really, as good(not great) as WWE has been the last month who is going to watch this over RAW when they are head to head? Well, aside from those of us with DVRs.
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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.68
Wow, really? I'm hardly a TNApologist, but come on. Breaking free of cuffs is a deal-breaker for you? Come on, that doesn't even make the top 100 in all-time "not possible according to physics" actions of wrestling in my lifetime.
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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.80
There is just so much wrong with TNA. The worst being that their plan to "Take over Monday Nights" is by putting Hogan and Flair in the ring against one another. And I am not WWE fanboy, the WWE has plenty of its own problems and absurdities. Its just than TNA's seem so much more offensive to my senses than WWE's. Speaking of absurd, they turned the MONSTER ABYSS into a mentally challenged idiot who HAS HULK HOGAN'S WCW MUSIC, and gets power from HULK HOGAN'S Hall of Fame ring. Not only is that absurd, its childish and I don't understand how that storyline appeals to ANYONE.

At least WWE's childish stuff is aimed for the kids in the audience (ie, Hornswoggle). TNA is trying to pass itself off as the mature organization who doesn't insult the intelligence of its fans, but then the segment after Bischoff ridicules the WWE guest host idea, they trot out Mentally Challenged Abyss getting power from Hogan's ring.

Oh yea, notice how the focal point and most used word in this post is "HULK HOGAN." Another major problem.
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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.80
    Originally posted by Hokienautic
    Wow, really? I'm hardly a TNApologist, but come on. Breaking free of cuffs is a deal-breaker for you? Come on, that doesn't even make the top 100 in all-time "not possible according to physics" actions of wrestling in my lifetime.


Its not the breaking of the handcuffs. Its getting the power from Hulk Hogan's Hall of Fame ring that did it for me.
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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.48
    Originally posted by Trunzo
      Originally posted by Hokienautic
      Wow, really? I'm hardly a TNApologist, but come on. Breaking free of cuffs is a deal-breaker for you? Come on, that doesn't even make the top 100 in all-time "not possible according to physics" actions of wrestling in my lifetime.


    Its not the breaking of the handcuffs. Its getting the power from Hulk Hogan's Hall of Fame ring that did it for me.


His WWE HOF ring at that....Abyss has...the power of Vince!!!



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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.87
But doesn't this fit the character of Abyss over the last several years? He was the freak strong guy who didn't mind bleeding and almost dying because of his will to take punishment and his crazy strength. Later, he got messed up in the head by Dr. Stevie and through people taking advantage of him (Morgan, Beer Money etc.), he became a wuss. His mind is easily manipulated, so is it that hard to believe that Abyss could be set straight and remember that he really is a monster when he wants to be?

I agree that this thing could not work in the slightest with almost any other wrestler in the big two, but here it's not so unbelievable given where the character of Abyss has gone over the years.

Also, as Hokienautic said, this ranks far down the list as absurdities by TNA bookers and writers. Remember AJ and his drunk, abusive dad? The Kevin Nash swerves (all 40 of them)? The World Elite, led by Eric Young?



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#8 Posted on
    Originally posted by Trunzo
      Originally posted by Hokienautic
      Wow, really? I'm hardly a TNApologist, but come on. Breaking free of cuffs is a deal-breaker for you? Come on, that doesn't even make the top 100 in all-time "not possible according to physics" actions of wrestling in my lifetime.


    Its not the breaking of the handcuffs. Its getting the power from Hulk Hogan's Hall of Fame ring that did it for me.


How is that any worse then the Undertaker getting "power" from his Urn? Or the Ultimate Warrior getting "power" from, well, being insane?

I'm not saying that it isn't corny or that I just don't want to see Abyss just be Abyss but lets not act like it hasn't been done before.
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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.03
I didn't mind the "power of the ring" as much as I minded that before that, Abyss was too stupid to realize that while he couldn't get away from the ropes, he could have run *along* the ropes. There were several times where at least one of the heels was within reach of the ropes, and Abyss didn't even try to go there.

But, hey, at least we got the NWO spray painting somebody. Well, somebody's undershirt.
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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.80
    Originally posted by wannaberockstar
      Originally posted by Trunzo
        Originally posted by Hokienautic
        Wow, really? I'm hardly a TNApologist, but come on. Breaking free of cuffs is a deal-breaker for you? Come on, that doesn't even make the top 100 in all-time "not possible according to physics" actions of wrestling in my lifetime.


      Its not the breaking of the handcuffs. Its getting the power from Hulk Hogan's Hall of Fame ring that did it for me.


    How is that any worse then the Undertaker getting "power" from his Urn? Or the Ultimate Warrior getting "power" from, well, being insane?

    I'm not saying that it isn't corny or that I just don't want to see Abyss just be Abyss but lets not act like it hasn't been done before.


I didn't say it was any different. But since you mention it, it WAS different. Undertaker's gimmick was mysterious and he was introduced as getting power from the urn. Same for Warrior, it was a fundamental part of his character.

Besides that, though, the biggest difference was that it was 20 years ago and the industry was far different back then. Gimmicks like we're talking about were commonplace and no one batted an eyelash. Wrestling was built around ridiculous gimmicks and characters. Nowadays, we're expecting more from the product, especially one that claims to be the mature alternative and won't insult its fans' intelligence.

Taker getting power from an urn back in 1994 is completely different from Abyss getting power from Hulk Hogan's Hall of Fame ring in 2010.
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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.48
    Originally posted by 'Everyone bitching about Abyss getting power from the Ring'
    Rabble, rabble, rabble...


For fucks sake; RAW features a fucking Leprechaun living under the wrestling ring, and you are gonna bitch about THIS?

Seriously... What The Fuck?

(edited by Cerebus on 26.2.10 1153)


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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.00
    Originally posted by Peter The Hegemon
    I didn't mind the "power of the ring" as much as I minded that before that, Abyss was too stupid to realize that while he couldn't get away from the ropes, he could have run *along* the ropes. There were several times where at least one of the heels was within reach of the ropes, and Abyss didn't even try to go there.
But that's due to Abyss' tunnel vision, one of the most consistent things about the character! (accepts No-Prize)

Seriously, it's not a magic ring. What Abyss lacks is CONFIDENCE. As Torchslasher points out, Dr. Stevie caused him to doubt himself and his place in the world. Abyss turned from a world-destroying, don't-give-a-shit, take-no-prisoners MONSTER into a gosh-golly-ing, hair-tugging, hand-clapping bundle of nerves.

The power is not the ring. The ring SYMBOLIZES Hogan's belief in Abyss, and serves as a reminder of this to Abyss. And if Hogan, the greatest wresler of all time ever and ever, believes in Abyss, then Abyss MUST be awesome! THAT'S what Abyss gets from the ring -- he gets his CONFIDENCE back.

I've been waiting for -- what, a year? Two? -- for Abyss to quit being a second-rate Eugene and go back to being THE MONSTER, and if this is the way they've decided to go about it, I'm not going to fuss about the details too much.

Anyway. Rest of the show was pretty weak.

Nasty Boys vs. Team 3D sucked, but I hope the fairly definitive ending is a blow-off and they've decided not too, at least, waste any more PPV slots on the Nasties.

ODB vs. Daffney was only there to put over Daff as a nutso, which it did, but other than that, wasn;t really anything at all.

Brian Kendrick vs. Kazarian was, again, just there to re-establish Kaz but the match was by-the-numbers and uninspiring.

Rob Terry vs. Ken Anderson was yet ANOTHER storyline-only, nothing-else-there match -- but even more egregious!

And, finally, Wolfe vs. Abyss -- again, not much there. Wolfe really deserves better than this -- Hogan claims to like the guy -- is this Wolfe's "humbling" phase?

So, yeah. I FFWDed past pretty much all the promos and finished this show in record time.

--K

(edited by Karlos the Jackal on 26.2.10 0114)

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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.39
This show sucked! Big time! Abyss is nothing more than Tugboat 2010! As far as the rest of the show is concerned: I had to watch it in FFW, because nothing could really hold my interest. It was really bad! I think I have to watch NXT for a third time now, just to get this Impact crap out of my head!



Yes, I'm back! I know, I said I would never ever watch that crap again, but ... I just can't live without it, I guess.
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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.49
The specifics of the angle aren't as grating and stupid as Hulk Hogan doing the "little buddy" routine in 20-f'n-10. Well, okay, Abyss beating Wolfe clean in under two minutes is as grating and stupid as that.

This show was just so, so wrong.
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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.45
    Originally posted by Cerebus
      Originally posted by 'Everyone bitching about Abyss getting power from the Ring'
      Rabble, rabble, rabble...


    For fucks sake; RAW features a fucking Leprechaun living under the wrestling, and you are gonna bitch about THIS?

    Seriously... What The Fuck?


He doesn't live UNDER the ring, stupid. There's a portal under the ring that, at one time, led to an ancient mythological Ireland.
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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.76
    Originally posted by Karlos the Jackal
      Originally posted by Peter The Hegemon
      I didn't mind the "power of the ring" as much as I minded that before that, Abyss was too stupid to realize that while he couldn't get away from the ropes, he could have run *along* the ropes. There were several times where at least one of the heels was within reach of the ropes, and Abyss didn't even try to go there.
    But that's due to Abyss' tunnel vision, one of the most consistent things about the character! (accepts No-Prize)

    Seriously, it's not a magic ring. What Abyss lacks is CONFIDENCE. As Torchslasher points out, Dr. Stevie caused him to doubt himself and his place in the world. Abyss turned from a world-destroying, don't-give-a-shit, take-no-prisoners MONSTER into a gosh-golly-ing, hair-tugging, hand-clapping bundle of nerves.

    The power is not the ring. The ring SYMBOLIZES Hogan's belief in Abyss, and serves as a reminder of this to Abyss. And if Hogan, the greatest wresler of all time ever and ever, believes in Abyss, then Abyss MUST be awesome! THAT'S what Abyss gets from the ring -- he gets his CONFIDENCE back.

    I've been waiting for -- what, a year? Two? -- for Abyss to quit being a second-rate Eugene and go back to being THE MONSTER, and if this is the way they've decided to go about it, I'm not going to fuss about the details too much.

    And, finally, Wolfe vs. Abyss -- again, not much there. Wolfe really deserves better than this -- Hogan claims to like the guy -- is this Wolfe's "humbling" phase?


    (edited by Karlos the Jackal on 26.2.10 0114)

Couldn't have said it better myself. If someone wants to interpret it as the ring having magic powers, they deserve to be pissed off for not knowing the history of the character, or not really paying attention. Hulk is trying to motivate the guy, not turn him into a super hero. I am not saying this is a good story, but I like Abyss, and want to see the return of the MONSTER, so I see it as a means to an end. Now if he shows up next week in a mask and cape, I will gladly eat my words.

Wolfe jobbing in 2 minutes sucked, but at least he was standing tall at the end with AJ and Flair. I am hoping that was sowing the seeds for Wolfe joining that (non Four Horsemen)stable.




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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.53
You guys do realise that this is just as likely a set-up for Hogan turning on Abyss, right? So either we get comedy muppet Abyss feeling sad because his best buddy stabbed him in the back, or monster Abyss jobbing to superface Hogan. The two possible ends here are just as bad as the means.
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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.80
Beyond the Abyss madness, can we also discuss the Hogan thing further? I understand that he was brought in to be a ratings boost and that means inherently he has to be on the program a lot. But there's a difference between being on the program a lot and being featured in almost every major storyline (the previous Angle one, the current Abyss one, and now the one regarding AJ who is the World Champion).

I think TNA's mindset is revealed perfectly clear when we get Mike Tenay screaming on air that having Hogan and Flair in the ring on March 8 is what will take over Monday Nights. For everyone saying the Hogan focus was temporary and that it would eventually elevate other guys, I think TNA has told you you're wrong with this booking/shilling. Their belief is that Hogan, and to a lesser extent Flair, is what the people want to see and that's what they're going to give you. At the expense of someone like Desmond Wolfe, who jobs in 2 minutes nowadays.

The people saying "give it time" and that the old guys would fade away soon and make way for the younger guys have to admit now that they're wrong. TNA actually does believe Hogan in the ring and being the centerpiece of almost everything is the future of their product.
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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.68
    Originally posted by Amos Cochran
    You guys do realise that this is just as likely a set-up for Hogan turning on Abyss, right? So either we get comedy muppet Abyss feeling sad because his best buddy stabbed him in the back, or monster Abyss jobbing to superface Hogan. The two possible ends here are just as bad as the means.


Wait, what? How would Hogan turning on Abyss lead to a superface Hogan??

I was thinking it was more likely last night to find that Abyss was in league with Flair and Styles, and that as Hogan's back was turned he'd unlock himself, crush Hogan, and then personally place the ring on Styles's finger. Boom, your own personal monster.

On a completely different topic, the thing that most annoyed me from last night wasn't this ring bullshit, but the return of SuperSnippy Eric Bischoff. "What? No, we're not going to do celebrity guest hosts every Monday night. That's a stupid idea." Why even go there?
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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.53
    Originally posted by Hokienautic
    Wait, what? How would Hogan turning on Abyss lead to a superface Hogan??


It wouldn't. I was laying out the two possible endgames, one for face Abyss and one for heel Abyss.


    On a completely different topic, the thing that most annoyed me from last night wasn't this ring bullshit, but the return of SuperSnippy Eric Bischoff. "What? No, we're not going to do celebrity guest hosts every Monday night. That's a stupid idea." Why even go there?


Super-silly coming from the guy who booked Karl Malone, Dennis Rodman, Jay Leno and David Arquette in PPV main events.

To paraphrase Ian Malcolm, the lack of humility before history on diplsay here is staggering.

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