This could go in the movies/TV thread, but since it's a baseball movie I'm making a judgement call.
I was surprised by how much I enjoyed this movie. I thought it'd be corny as hell, and while it does have a bit of cheese (the stereotypical foreign teammate, the ol' hidden ball trick), it actually gives a pretty realistic look at baseball. The writers are clearly fans, and they got a lot of little details right.
My friends and I were debating after the movie....if given the same parameters as Bernie Mac's character did (one month to get three hits after nine years away from baseball) could someone like a Don Mattingly or a George Brett pull it off?
Since Don Mattingly would have to be close to 3000 (2153 career hits) to be in a position to do this, I'm going to say no on him. I find it interesting and coincidental that you picked Mattingly and Brett, since Brett has almost exactly a thousand more career hits than Mattingly. (2153-3154)
But to your point. Yes, I think that a retired player could get three hits in a month, given that they'd kept themselves in shape since their retirement.
An interesting question is if a baseball player has retired while still playing at an All Star level (if not still in his prime). Clemens was almost that guy, and he could still be that guy if he retires after this season. There are examples in football and basketball (especially if Jordan's retirements count), but I can't think of any in baseball.
I would also exclude guys who left the game to serve in a war but could not return to the game (for whatever reason) after the war ended.
"An interesting question is if a baseball player has retired while still playing at an All Star level (if not still in his prime). Clemens was almost that guy, and he could still be that guy if he retires after this season. There are examples in football and basketball (especially if Jordan's retirements count), but I can't think of any in baseball."
Ryne Sandberg is the closet I can come up with. Put up some good power numbers, 28 HR's in 96 against 9 his last full season in 93, but his batting average fell from a good .309 in 93 to poor .244 in 96. Made the all-star team in 93, but I guess that don't count for alot in baseball.
The way that I want to remember George Brett, I think he could pick up three hits in a month. Although I was never a big fan of the Royals, I was always a Brett fan. I'd also guess that Wade Boggs could probably come back and get a few hits within a month as well.
Not that it means anything...but I remember watching the Pirates-Brewers game that they used to film this movie. I think it happened in the same series as Randal Simon's sausage smack. Maybe even on the same night.
Originally posted by RudoublesedoublelI'd also guess that Wade Boggs could probably come back and get a few hits within a month as well.
I don't know about that. Wade Boggs was only getting a few hits a month before he retired.
There are probably any number of retired guys who could do this. Guys who went on to become hitting coaches, for example, you'd have to think they could pull at least a hit or two a week just based on fundamentals alone. They probably wouldn't be putting up much for power numbers, but a guy who has the technique down to the point where he's getting paid to advise Major League players could almost certainly get a choppy single here or there.
Originally posted by estragand Not that it means anything...but I remember watching the Pirates-Brewers game that they used to film this movie. I think it happened in the same series as Randal Simon's sausage smack. Maybe even on the same night.
According to IMDB.com, the Filming Dates were 28 May 2003 - 8 August 2003
Originally posted by estragandMinnie Minoso made a microscopic comeback after 12 years away from the bigs. He only notched one hit in his comeback (albeit in 8 at-bats over 3 games).
And he was FIFTY-THREE YEARS OLD when he did it.
And he did it again four years later.
If a player is around the 3000-hit mark, it goes without saying that his batting style, eye and fundamentals were significantly over and above an average player's, and keep in mind that even average MLBers are an elite group. Barring dramatic health/eyesight/leg problems during the time away, a few hits over a month should be a gimme for such a player. Not saying that he'd hit .340, but a hypothetical 3-for-30 stretch is far from overoptimistic. Insert as pinch hitter, line shot into short right field, pinch runner, repeat.
It's not as if pitchers were throwing 75 MPH when the player left and 110 now, or had one pitch then and six now. There's not much new under the sun or the stadium lights.
He would probably want to come back with a team that's not involved in a tight pennant race, and is thus more likely to be able to do goofy things like letting aging ex-superstars take late-season at-bats.
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I wouldnt be shocked if McGwire could get a couple homers in a month of coming back. As far as pure hitters (hitters for average not power), I'd say Mark Grace could do it, Molitor, and pretty much the others mentioned. I would imagine the hardest thing you would have to overcome is the timing factor. Even with batting practice, it would still be hard to pick up a major league breaking ball, or some fireballer's fastball.
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Understood. I mean, the "Win Share" short version is like 12 or 13 steps and only approximates it. (this is a little fresh in my mind, since I just reviewed both books for the new issue of the magazine.)