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Zacarias Moussaoui sentenced to life in prison (news.yahoo.com)

Personally, I'm glad the bastard doesn't get to die a martyr. Not only did he not get to fulfill his murderous dreams on 9/11, but now he dies without renown and notice in a little jail cell in the land of the enemy. Death is too good for this scumbag.



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So when his fellow inmates kill him within his first 15 minutes in jail, is he still considered a martyr?

Actually, since he was jailed BEFORE the 9/11 attacks and didnt actually participate in them, even if he did receive the death penalty, would he still be considered a martyr?




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    Originally posted by DJ FrostyFreeze
    So when his fellow inmates kill him within his first 15 minutes in jail, is he still considered a martyr?

    Actually, since he was jailed BEFORE the 9/11 attacks and didnt actually participate in them, even if he did receive the death penalty, would he still be considered a martyr?


He is going to a super maximum security prison in Colorado. He will be prevented any contact with the outside world and sounds like totally isolated.

The only thing that matters to him is that he is a martyr in his own mind. And if we did off him, they would use him as a martry, while thinking him an ass.



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I don't like this supermax prison of total isolation for Moussaoui. Back breaking labor for 12 hours a day with pork products as his sole source of nourishment would be a nice punishment for him to live out the rest of his sorry existence.



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Also, if he spent 23 hours a day in what can graciously be described as a concrete block, it'd be very hard for someone to do the kinda things to him that he deserves and I'm probably not allowed to say here. (Think of a broomstick.)



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You wanted the best, you got... Out of Context Quote of the Week.

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    Originally posted by ekedolphin
    Also, if he spent 23 hours a day in what can graciously be described as a concrete block, it'd be very hard for someone to do the kinda things to him that he deserves and I'm probably not allowed to say here. (Think of a broomstick.)


Or your favorite episode of Oz, I'm guessing?



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    Originally posted by redsoxnation
    I don't like this supermax prison of total isolaton for Moussaoui. Back breaking labor for 12 hours a day with pork products as his sole source of nourishment would be a nice punishment for him to live out the rest of his sorry existance.


I hope people don't actually believe this kind of thing. I'm guessing from my limited knowledge of the prison system that he will still get his ass kicked in there - isolation, sure, but guards still have access and I'm sure they'll have their opportunities. But that doesn't mean it's a good thing. I don't know how anyone can support vigilante justice anywhere, in prisons or in the streets. I don't think you read the most important parts of the story:


    After seven days of deliberation, the nine men and three women rebuffed the government's appeal for death for the only person charged in this country in the four suicide jetliner hijackings that killed nearly 3,000 people on Sept. 11, 2001.

    Three jurors said Moussaoui had only limited knowledge of the Sept. 11 plot, and three described his role in the attacks as minor, if he had any role at all.


Some jurors weren't even 100 percent certain he had a role at all. I think there's martyrdom going on here, but not just from al-Qaeda supporters. Moussaoui is shouldering the wrath of the American people for the entire attack, I'm guessing in large part out of frustration that he's really one of few people possibly remotely involved in the plot that we have managed to get our hands on. I wasn't there for his trial, and I'm assuming nobody else here was either. So if these jurors decided to look past that anger and decide to spare the life of a man they think might be innocent of these crimes, than that's good enough for me.


    Carie Lemack, whose mother, Judy Larocque, died on hijacked American Airlines Flight 11, which crashed into the World Trade Center, said her mom didn't believe in the death penalty and would have been glad Moussaoui was sentenced to life. "This man was an al-Qaida wannabe who could never put together the 9/11 attacks," Lemack said. "He's a wannabe who deserves to rot in jail."

    But Patricia Reilly, who lost her sister Lorraine Lee in the New York attacks, was deflated. "I guess in this country you can kill 3,000 people and not pay with your life," she said. "I feel very much let down by this country."

    From the White House, President Bush said the verdict "represents the end of this case but not an end to the fight against terror." He said Moussaoui got a fair trial and the jury spared his life, "which is something that he evidently wasn't willing to do for innocent American citizens."


Although I doubt its sincerity, I like this quote from the president. To think he deserves the death penalty is one thing, but how can so many people be so angry that a man is not dying?


    n their successful defense of Moussaoui, his lawyers revealed new levels of pre-attack bungling of intelligence by the
    FBI and other government agencies. By the trial's end, the defense team was portraying its uncooperative client as a delusional schizophrenic. They argued he took the witness stand to confess a role in Sept. 11 that he never had all to achieve martyrdom through execution or for recognition in history.

    They overcame the impact of two dramatic appearances by Moussaoui himself first to renounce his four years of denying any involvement in the attacks and then to gloat over the pain of those who lost loved ones.

    Using evidence gathered in the largest investigation in U.S. history, prosecutors achieved a preliminary victory last month when the jury ruled Moussaoui's lies to federal agents a month before the attacks made him eligible for the death penalty because they kept agents from discovering some of the hijackers.

    But even with heart-rending testimony from nearly four dozen victims and their relatives testimony that forced some jurors to wipe their eyes the jury was not convinced that Moussaoui, who was in jail on Sept. 11, deserved to die.

    The case broke new ground in the understanding of Sept. 11 releasing to the public the first transcript and playing in court the cockpit tape of United 93's last half hour. The tape captured the sounds of terrorists hijacking the aircraft over Pennsylvania and passengers trying to retake the jet until it crashed in a field.


It's pretty apparent that Moussaoui is overstating his role, at the very least, to gain notoriety with his people. The jury said he did come here plotting to harm the country, and even that he had some role in the 9/11 attacks, but they were not certain enough of the latter to send him to his death. He definitely deserves to go to prison, but if there's any doubt than he definitely should not be killed.
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I read in a Dutch paper today that he might be extradited to France, since he has a French passport.
Note; it would be an option but they don't see it happening ofcourse since in France apparently there is no thing as "no parole" and the USA will never accept that.

Plus I believe there would be a much bigger chance of him being a martyr if he ended up in a French prison.
As they have a much larger vocal fundamentalist group in that country or in any European country.





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    Originally posted by TheBucsFan
      Originally posted by redsoxnation
      I don't like this supermax prison of total isolation for Moussaoui. Back breaking labor for 12 hours a day with pork products as his sole source of nourishment would be a nice punishment for him to live out the rest of his sorry existence.


    I hope people don't actually believe this kind of thing. I'm guessing from my limited knowledge of the prison system that he will still get his ass kicked in there - isolation, sure, but guards still have access and I'm sure they'll have their opportunities. But that doesn't mean it's a good thing. I don't know how anyone can support vigilante justice anywhere, in prisons or in the streets.







I never mentioned vigilante justice. My thinking is instead of solitary confinement, he should be out breaking rocks and other forms of manual labor every day for the rest of his worthless existence, and the only form of nourishment he should be offered is the by-product of pigs. Since he never is leaving prison, I'm guessing the punishment is supposed to be punitive instead of rehabilitative, so he can eat what they give him or not eat at all. If life without parole is really worse than the death penalty, then really make it a situation where he would consider death a pleasant alternative to life. And, if he were to decide upon ending his pitiful existance at his own hands, then the taxpayers don't have to pay for him for the next 50 years.
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    Originally posted by ekedolphin
    Also, if he spent 23 hours a day in what can graciously be described as a concrete block, it'd be very hard for someone to do the kinda things to him that he deserves and I'm probably not allowed to say here. (Think of a broomstick.)


Oh, you don't have to be coy - I saw the shoot interview with the Iron Sheik and his buddy, Jim Brunzell (or was it Brian Blair? ).




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You wanted the best, you got... Out of Context Quote of the Week.

"I know, I know you are saying "sure there was some bad calls, but Jake Gyllenhaal obviously dropped too many easy catches and Ang Lee had some horrible clock management at the end of each half!"" (krakken2000)


    Originally posted by AWArulz
      Originally posted by ekedolphin
      Also, if he spent 23 hours a day in what can graciously be described as a concrete block, it'd be very hard for someone to do the kinda things to him that he deserves and I'm probably not allowed to say here. (Think of a broomstick.)


    Oh, you don't have to be coy - I saw the shoot interview with the Iron Sheik and his buddy, Jim Brunzell (or was it Brian Blair? ).


It was Brian Blair who was on the receiving end, so to speak. The Iron Sheik respects Jim Brunzell as an athlete and a high jumper.



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