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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.47
As a point of information (with no pejorative connotations intended, certainly), I'd like to observe that Van O'Steen & Partners has 5 offices, conveniently located around the valley.

I'm interested in the line: "12. On several previous occasions, Defendant WWE has been a litigant in the Maricopa County Superior Court." Anybody know how we research that?

Do I understand point 20 correctly as saying that "We're suing people that we don't even know who they are?" ((Sorry, I couldn't work out a gramatically correct presentation of the concept.))

Hey, I only see pages 1-7 on Smoking Gun & that's clearly not all of the document. Is it just me?? (Damn -- I wanted to find out what their specific claims are!)

Personally, I'm not impressed by the concept of them being so traumatized that they waited 2 years to file either.
Uh, yeah.

Is this going to mess up our live event schedule in Arizona???
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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.74
With respect to the venue, plaintiffs generally have their choice of forum so long as they can show a connection to the action. In this matter, both plaintiffs are residents of Maricopa County, AZ, so its quite likely that an Arizona court would have jurisdiction over the action. The pleading also alleges that the defendant WWE transacts business in Arizona (paras 4-5 and 8-12), thus strengthening the link to that venue. Further, the defendant SportsJet has business ties to Arizona. All in all, the choice of venue seems appropriate.

With respect to paragraph 20, emma is quite correct. the plaintiffs are bringing an action against the individuals and corporations named specifically, and is also retaining its right to add further parties by listing as defendants a number of John Does, and unnamed corporations and partnerships.

It is not at all uncommon for plaintiffs to wait some time after the incident at issue to file process commencing an action. Many states and provinces have statutes of limitations which require negligence and intentional tort actions to be commenced within two years or have the cause of action become extinguished.

Most of the really ridiculous allegations (such as the one respecting Flair's ownership interest in RAW) will likely be abandoned before this matter goes anywhere. I'd be really interested to see counsel stand up with a straight face and attempt to argue that point, especially given the admission in paragraph 6 that WWE creates storylines for its characters.

This matter will never reach trial, though it would provide for great entertainment if it did. A quiet settlement will take care of it, regardless of the merits of the claim.



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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.63
Where is the outrage???? Women have been disrespected! Someone please speak up! Someone please stand up for the rights of ladies everyone! I've seen you do it I know you caaaaaaaan
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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.95
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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.65
    Originally posted by JMShapiro
    Where is the outrage???? Women have been disrespected! Someone please speak up! Someone please stand up for the rights of ladies everyone! I've seen you do it I know you caaaaaaaan
a) It's not trolling if I've made you a moderator
b) It's all fun and games until YOUR girlfriend is groped!

Unlike the Austin case, there's enough background here (via the sheets of two years ago) to make me believe there's probably something here. That, or I'm a hypocrite. Who can say?

Scanning the TSG piece, that "disposed of needles" comment sure looked interesting - too bad nobody thought about keeping them as evidence (OR DID THEY?) 'cause that'd surely be like hitting the Lotto as the WWE would want to settle fast as lightning with a "keep it WWE Confidential." That they DIDN'T suggests they didn't - since I think if they DID, that'd have to have come up during the discussion. (DISCLAIMER: "I Am Not A Lawyer" is a famous enough saying on the 'Net to have its own acronym: IANAL)

    Originally posted by emma
    I'm interested in the line: "12. On several previous occasions, Defendant WWE has been a litigant in the Maricopa County Superior Court." Anybody know how we research that?
Take your credit card to
http://guide.corporate.findlaw.com/ 11stategov/az/wldatabase.html, unless you happen to practice law in Arizona in which case you probably have "free" access to this stuff you should exploit for the benefit of ALL reading this. (Lexis/Nexis might provide help as well? Man, I should go back to college and take just enough credits to get me some free Lexis/Nexis access)
    Originally posted by emma
    Personally, I'm not impressed by the concept of them being so traumatized that they waited 2 years to file either.
    Uh, yeah.
It's likely that they tried to settle out of court, and tried, and tried, and suddenly the statute of limitations was nearing and they realised they weren't going to settle out of court. (IANAL)

It's also possible that WWE feels they can weasel themselves out of the proceedings by claiming the suit SHOULD be against Dustin, Flair and Hall as opposed to the company employing them as independent contractors. Since they're probably the cash cow (as opposed to the talent), I can understand how settling attempts might have been stymied.

I'm sure there's something else I wanted to touch on but I've already forgotten it.



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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.19
As much as I can remember, Vince wasn't on this flight, but Triple H was, and he ended up breaking things up. Jim Ross was there, and there was hell to pay when Vicne found out later on. Or am I confusing this with some other plane flight?

    Originally posted by emma
    Do I understand point 20 correctly as saying that "We're suing people that we don't even know who they are?" ((Sorry, I couldn't work out a gramatically correct presentation of the concept.))


Pretty much. They listed Flair as a part owner of RAW, so they're just going by what they've seen on TV for now.

You can't really blame them for this. Can you imagine what it would be like to try to track down these guy's real names and their career paths if you knew NOTHING about wrestling to begin with? I certainly wouldn't take 411's reports as "evidence" in a court case. The industry may have given up trying to trick people into thinking it's real, but that doesn't mean that they're handing over every single thing that goes on.

Point #20 DOES say that they want to change the names and positions of these guys if they find things aren't the way they understand them (seriously, would YOU think that Flair was young enough to be a wrestler if you saw him with all these 25 year olds they have now? "One of these things is not like the others...")

Flair's lawyers, if he's not going with the WWE team, will probably jump up and down telling the plaintifs that he's not REALLY the owner to keep them from focusing on getting his money over the other's, but as CRZ said, I ANAL. NO WAIT!!! I meant IANAL. Whew...


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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.15
I'm eagerly anticipating Jerry McDevitt's defense.

They so have to put this trial on TV.

Stephanie McMahon, Jim Ross, and Michael Hayes were all on the plane. Vinnie Mac doesn't go on these tours.
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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.20
This could be a real headache if people aren't careful. They don't want it getting out that one of the most celebrated and famous men in the industry is a lecherous old pervert. Dustin's gone and so is Hall, so that'll work to WWE's advantage as they can get their righteous indignation on come court time. But Flair? What can you do? Thanks for the memories but cut the old pervert loose. He should know better.



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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.15
    Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad
    This could be a real headache if people aren't careful. They don't want it getting out that one of the most celebrated and famous men in the industry is a lecherous old pervert. Dustin's gone and so is Hall, so that'll work to WWE's advantage as they can get their righteous indignation on come court time. But Flair? What can you do? Thanks for the memories but cut the old pervert loose. He should know better.


Right, they wouldn't want the stellar image of professional wrestlers to be tarnished. If they're actually guilty of course.

Any righteous indignation on their part will be far fetched because Goldust lasted over a year and half with the company. And they knowingly employed Hall, who has a long history of similar behaviour.

Of course, this is all in that hypothetical world in a country where people are making shit up all the time to sue people. Obviously there was some monkey business going on during this plane ride. I don't doubt Flair was naked and drunk. Aside from that, who knows?
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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.95

    Originally posted by fuelinjected
    Obviously there was some monkey business going on during this plane ride. I don't doubt Flair was naked and drunk. Aside from that, who knows?
Just out of curiosity, how come you're so sure Flair was drunk & naked, but you're so uncertain about the rest?

(edited by DJ FrostyFreeze on 31.3.04 1706)


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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.03
The part that gets me about this is that sometimes there is a tendency to fault the women in these situations, or even that people claiming they are only out to get paid. But, I guess I put myself in their shoes for a second and I see it a little differently.

I imagine what it's like to be in this plane, working for a small charter airline... Getting work from the WWE would add something to the airline's 'resume', I guess. So, often women are told to be accomodating to their guests. So, maybe they poured a little more coffee than normel. Maybe they kept the bar open too long. Maybe they were just super nice to the WWE wrestlers...

WE all know the requirements to be a flight attendent, so I'm assuming these women were of average height and build. Now, imagine being cornered by some big guy well over 6 feet tall and well over 200 pounds. He smells of alcohol and he's coming on to you, big time. He grabs you and makes you feel really uncomfortable. But, you nicely brush him off, because remember... It's all for the business.

Okay, maybe I got a little creative here, but women deal with that shit everyday. Work uniforms get shorter and shorter each day for waitresses. Kudos to Hooters for just cutting out the bullshit. Guys go there for tits, hot wings, and tits. Sometimes, bosses will tell women to work their charms for land big deals. That's why it sometimes gets embedded into the minds of some women and they think that's the only way to work. Look at how the women behaved on that one "The Apprentice" episode and were chastised over it.

Hindsight is a funny thing. A few times I've been groped and let it go because it was an accident, but then later thought that this guy didn't have to graze my boob just to press his floor on the elevator. While that seems minute, what happened allegedly on that plane was obvious.

If I had gone through that, I would like to be compensated too... I'd need to pay for the therapy after seeing Ric Flair's wilted penis some way.

(edited by Ticamo on 31.3.04 1652)

(edited by Ticamo on 31.3.04 1654)Ugh!! DAMN!


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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00
The flight attendants probably just saw an easy attempt to make some money so they did some research and now sue them for stuff that they probably didnt do.



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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.15
    Originally posted by DJ FrostyFreeze
      Originally posted by fuelinjected
      Obviously there was some monkey business going on during this plane ride. I don't doubt Flair was naked and drunk. Aside from that, who knows?
    Just out of curiosity, how come you're so sure Flair was drunk & naked, but you're so uncertain about the rest?

    (edited by DJ FrostyFreeze on 31.3.04 1706)


I remember that being mentioned alongside Dustin singing to Terri and X-Pac cutting off Hayes' hair back when the incident happened.
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#34 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.63
Also his long storied history of being drunk and naked.
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#35 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.62
Perhaps Ric was just confused while in the plane, and had climbed up on his seat and wanted the stewardess to bodyslam him off the seat as force of habit. Any mention of him doing a Flair Flop during the incident?
As for releasing Ric: Not until after the Horsemen and Best of Flair 2 DVD's are released. Let us not deprive ourselves of classic material so Vince can stake the moral high ground.




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#36 Posted on
    Originally posted by emma
    I'm interested in the line: "12. On several previous occasions, Defendant WWE has been a litigant in the Maricopa County Superior Court." Anybody know how we research that?


I could only find two cases where WWE appeared in that particular court, but I can't find any complaints...

http://www.superiorcourt.maricopa.gov/ docket/civil/caseInfo.asp? caseNumber=CV1996-015377
It appears our old friend the Ultimate Warrior sued WWE on two counts.

http://www.superiorcourt.maricopa.gov/ docket/civil/caseInfo.asp? caseNumber=CV1993-026011
The case was Superstar Billy Graham (real name Wayne Coleman, according to Meltzer) against WWE and a bunch of pramaceutical companies, including George Zaharian (sic), the former "attending physician" for the WWE who was accused of supplying steroids to Hulk Hogan and others during the steroid scandal in the mid 90s.




(edited by sweetroll on 1.4.04 0125)
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#37 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.47
(First, thanks to all for the clarifications & additional information stemming from my previous post.)

I found a couple of things about SportsJet itself. They're not some little charter airline startup, & they cater specifically to sports & entertainment clientele. Here's (visitingphx.com) a copy of a 2001 newspaper article describing the business then, & here's (dmses.dot.gov) an FAA-related settlement from last December. There is big money around this company. And they primarily fly around teams of big-ol' atheletes.

I have trouble imagining that having a plane-load of drunk jocks is all that out of the ordinary for the crew. To the point where that would be an expected part of the job at SportsJet. The Hooters example is appropriate -- if you're going to work at Hooters, you'd better not be offended by guys staring at your tits. If you're going to get upset by some random male nudity, you shouldn't take a job that by definition puts you in the middle of rowdy "out of the public eye" jocks.

Some of the alleged behaviours certainly are totally unacceptable. Some of them, I see as just part of the job.

We don't know what the guys actually did. We don't know what the women actually did about it, either at the time or subsequently. We don't know whether the pilots knew what was going on. We don't have all the facts, so all we can do is talk generalities & speculation. (Deja vu -- starting to sound like the Austin thread. Sorry, not my intent.)


Edit: Why do I have this nagging feeling that they should properly (also) be suing SportsJet for failing to provide a safe workplace? Wouldn't that be included in this document?

(edited by emma on 1.4.04 0130)
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#38 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.27
    Originally posted by DJ FrostyFreeze
      Originally posted by fuelinjected
      Obviously there was some monkey business going on during this plane ride. I don't doubt Flair was naked and drunk. Aside from that, who knows?
    Just out of curiosity, how come you're so sure Flair was drunk & naked, but you're so uncertain about the rest?

    (edited by DJ FrostyFreeze on 31.3.04 1706)


Because Flair's been doing that for YEARS. The appropriately named "Nature Boy" likes to be nekkid.




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#39 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.55
Whilst not wishing to display an overt interest in The Nature Boy's member, what is his storied past? I've searched the interweb, and all I can find is wrestling bio's....none of the good stuff. Anyone care to fill me in?

As far as the law suit goes, I want compensation for being forced to imagine Flair's cock...let alone being shown it...
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#40 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.25
From PWInsider.com:

One of the queries I've received from readers since writing about the sexual harassment lawsuit that stemmed from the May 2002 "plane ride from hell" that was filed this past Monday is why was there such a long stretch of time between the incidents and the lawsuit.

An article in today's Arizona Business Gazette sheds some light on that situation. The article, featuring mostly the same material from the Arizona Republic story on the lawsuit that was published yesterday, notes that the flight attendants' attorney Rick Green told the Arizona Republic the women did not take action against the wrestlers any sooner because they were afraid of compromising their jobs. The article notes that SportsJet is being investigated over the allegations by the federal Equal Employment Opportunity Commission.

To read the complete article, click here

(edited by XPacArmy on 1.4.04 1624)


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