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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.00
With Lucas releasing the saga on Blu-ray, more tweaks were added to the films so naturally the fanatics are up in arms about this, to say the least (deadline.com)

That being said, some of these changes are... not that bad, really.

For starters, in ep. I they turned Yoda from muppet to CGI, looking much better in the process:



They also added a resentful "No..." from Vader just as he turns on the Emperor, though nearly not as hammy as ep.III...



Other changes feature Ewoks getting CGI eyes and a different krayt dragon call by Obi-Wan Kenobi, though this one does sound in fact quite retarded and should've been left untouched.

Three out of four ain't bad! So who's giving Lucas their money?



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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.03
I'm not quite as up in arms as some people get whenever changes are made, but I'm never going to pay for the altered versions. I'd be happy to buy a DVD or Blu-Ray of the original trilogy as they were originally filmed, but some other sucker can put their money down for these.
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People need to get over the fact they are not getting the original movie versions of these films. The changes he made for the special edition minus the Greedo shots first were all necessary. The special effects looked weak compared today. So, I have no problems with him going in and changing them for the special edition. What he did with the DVDs was totally unnecessary. There was no need for Hayden at the end of Jedi nor did they need to go to 11 on the sound.

As someone who doesn't own a Blu Ray nor feels the need to, you can have this. As much as I would to see the deleted scenes, I can go on youtube. With Lucas' changes is some are needed like CGI Yoda and turning down the volume to hear the score others are just ok like Ewoks who can blink and some are face palming like the No! and the Krayt yell. You have to take the good with the bad. The fanboys are going to bitch about it at the same time either buying it or illegally downloading it.



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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.03
I'm not quite sure what you mean by "get over the fact." Do you mean that I should just buy whatever he puts out? Because that was my point exactly. I'm not really upset about this, but I'm not going to spend my hard-earned money on something that's not actually the product I want. I'd be happy to buy the thing I do want, but I'm fairly resigned to the fact that I'll probably die before I get that chance. It's not the end of the world, it's just disappointing.
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In 1988, George Lucas spoke before Congress about Film Preservation and helped establish the National Film Registry. Here are a few excerpts from what he had to say in 1988...

"The destruction of our film heritage, which is the focus of concern today, is only the tip of the iceberg. American law does not protect our painters, sculptors, recording artists, authors, or filmmakers from having their lifework distorted, and their reputation ruined. If something is not done now to clearly state the moral rights of artists, current and future technologies will alter, mutilate, and destroy for future generations the subtle human truths and highest human feeling that talented individuals within our society have created..."

"...American works of art belong to the American public; they are part of our cultural history."

"People who alter or destroy works of art and our cultural heritage for profit or as an exercise of power are barbarians..."

"These current defacements are just the beginning. Today, engineers with their computers can add color to black-and-white movies, change the soundtrack, speed up the pace, and add or subtract material to the philosophical tastes of the copyright holder. Tomorrow, more advanced technology will be able to replace actors with “fresher faces,” or alter dialogue and change the movement of the actor’s lips to match. "

"There is nothing to stop American films, records, books, and paintings from being sold to a foreign entity or egotistical gangsters and having them change our cultural heritage to suit their personal taste."

"Why are films cut up and butchered?"

"Attention should be paid to this question of our soul, and not simply to accounting procedures. Attention should be paid to the interest of those who are yet unborn, who should be able to see this generation as it saw itself, and the past generation as it saw itself."

...uh, what?

Back in the late 80's TV networks and VHS distributors thought that they could 'breathe new life' into older films by colorizing them. George Lucas, John Huston, Roger Ebert and other prominent film makers and industry people though this was a terrible idea, and rightfully so. They went before Congress and asked the government to help film makers preserve their work as a way to protect what is one of Americas few originated art forms. (1867, William Lincoln patented the Zoopraxiscope in the US, Thomas Edison in 1891 gave us the first film projector, called a Kinetoscope.)

George Lucas, this fucking bastard, has the nerve to do everything he was speaking out AGAINST, to the original Star Wars trilogy. This fucking scumbag keeps bastardizing these films that the world fell in love with, all for the purpose of padding his bank account. I want him to get Aids and die alone and miserable and in terrible pain.

The one thing I am grateful for about all this shit is that Lucas has a film in the National Film Registry. Here is the initial 25 films selected for preservation...

1989

Best Years of Our Lives, The (1946)
Casablanca (1942)
Citizen Kane (1941)
Crowd, The (1928)
Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb (1963)
General, The (1926)
Gone with the Wind (1939)
Grapes of Wrath, The (1940)
High Noon (1952)
Intolerance (1916)
Learning Tree, The (1969)
Maltese Falcon, The (1941)
Mr. Smith Goes to Washington (1939)
Modern Times (1936)
Nanook of the North (1922)
On the Waterfront (1954)
Searchers, The (1956)
Singin' in the Rain (1952)
Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (1937)
Some Like It Hot (1959)
Star Wars (1977)
Sunrise (1927)
Sunset Boulevard (1950)
Vertigo (1958)
Wizard of Oz, The (1939)

Star Wars (1977). Not Star Wars: Episode IV - A New Hope. The original film, the way it was released in theaters back in 1977. The film everyone loved, the film Lucas has tried for the last two decades to get people to forget. This is one of the best 'Fuck You George Lucas's' out there and I am extremely thankful for it.




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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.56
Nous ne nous pouvons pas sortir.
Personally, I'm looking forward to the future special edition where we find out Greedo only shot first because he was abused as a child and had a learning disorder.



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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.27

    They also added a resentful "No..." from Vader just as he turns on the Emperor, though nearly not as hammy as ep.III...


If he was ever going to change anything that NO from Ep.III would be my pick. That or just CGI Hayden out of all of the episodes entirely.

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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.29

    George Lucas, this fucking bastard, has the nerve to do everything he was speaking out AGAINST, to the original Star Wars trilogy.

Lucas was speaking out about people other than the original artist coming along and changing these works of art. In this case, it is Lucas himself changing his own art, so I don't really think he's doing what he was originally against.

NOTE: that isn't to say I'm in favor of what he's doing. I don't like it, as a matter of fact. Cleaning up the special effects, fine. But Han/Greedo, the Vader/Emperor scene in ESB, Hayden as Anakin's ghost, this new "Nooo!", and the new Krayt Dragon yell (to name the more prominent changes) are p. ridiculous.



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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.05
    Originally posted by Spaceman Spiff

      George Lucas, this fucking bastard, has the nerve to do everything he was speaking out AGAINST, to the original Star Wars trilogy.

    Lucas was speaking out about people other than the original artist coming along and changing these works of art. In this case, it is Lucas himself changing his own art, so I don't really think he's doing what he was originally against


Okay, but his statement that "American works of art belong to the American public." voids his claim on the films. Back in 1988, he made it clear that he felt the people who legally owned all the rights to film should not have the right to alter those films, in any way, for profit. George Lucas owns the distribution rights to the Star Wars films and he is altering these films, in EVERY way possible, for a profit.

There is the argument that the films are his because he made them... but I disagree with that because he didn't. Yes, he made Star Wars, he wrote and directed it. Empire and Return, however, are not his films. The Empire Strikes Back was directed by Irvin Kershner with Leigh Brackett and
Lawrence Kasdan writing the screenplay. Return Of The Jedi was directed by Richard Marquand with Lawrence Kasdan and Lucas doing the screenplay.

No go and watch those three films and you can definitely see a change in storytelling, character development and the overall feel of the second and third films. They were better films; well, except for Jedi with the Ewoks, which screams 'Lucas wrote this part.' Besides that little misstep, these are not George Lucas's films and he does not, by his own admission in 1988, have the right to alter these films for profit.

I would love for the Directors Guild to bring up a lawsuit against George Lucas on behalf of the families of Marquand and Kershner, to sue the fuck out of him and force him to stop altering other peoples intellectual artwork.



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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.29
Lucas personally funded both Empire & Jedi. Lucas wrote the 2nd draft of Empire. Both are based on his original stories. I'm OK with calling them his films.

Also, Lucas dropped out of the Directors Guild duding post production of Empire. Marquand wasn't a member, either. And there weren't any material changes to Empire. So, good luck w/ those lawsuits.



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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.05
Why must you continue rubbing salt in my wounds? Are you fapping to my misery?

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Oh yeah, as for there being no changes to Empire...

Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back

The opening battle sequence was cleaned up, including fixing some instances where the blue screen process allowed the cockpit window frames of the snow speeders to be partially transparent.
There are new scenes on Hoth with a redesigned wampa ice creature, including showing the full-body wampa eating a carcass and later screeching in agony following the loss of its limb. Two close-up shots of the original wampa mask are still noticeable.
When Luke Skywalker heads to the exit of the wampa's cave, his lightsaber's deactivation sound is heard, even though the blade does not retract.
Errors were corrected from the original version wherein the blue rank indicators on Imperial uniforms turned black, likely because of the blue screen process that was meant to create a view of space outside a window.
The scene where the Slave I follows the Falcon out of the Star Destroyer's floating garbage includes a newly created CG shot of it pursuing the Falcon.
At the opening shot of Cloud City, the Cloud Car was replaced by a Tibanna refinery, though it is almost panned and scanned out of the 2004 full screen DVD version. The right side of the refinery can be seen briefly in the 2004 full screen DVD version if played on a PC or LCD television monitor.
There are new and additional shots of Cloud City.
Several wall panels have been digitally replaced with windows to show more of Cloud City.
Luke's line, "You're lucky you don't taste very good," after R2-D2 is spat out by a Dagobah dragonsnake is changed back to the original "You were lucky to get out of there."
The sound of the voice that says "Who are you?!" to C-3PO on Cloud City right before he gets blasted has been changed.
Lando Calrissian says "Attention" twice (instead of once) when he speaks on the Cloud City public address system.
Shots of people listening to Lando on the PA ordering the evacuation of the city have been added.
Luke screams as he jumps off the platform in Cloud City (the scream is actually lifted from the Emperor's death scream from Return of the Jedi). The 1997 special edition is the only version to feature the scream as it has been removed from the 2004 release. Lucas' reasoning for removing the scream was that since Luke purposely fell, he would not scream.
Darth Vader's tense-but-forceful line, "Bring my shuttle," has been changed to the more benignly-toned "Alert my Star Destroyer to prepare for my arrival," a line originally recorded for A New Hope. A wide-angle CGI visual has been added showing Vader boarding his shuttle. This short added scene is spliced directly into the action surrounding Leia, Lando, and Chewie's attempt to rescue Luke as he dangles from an antenna below Cloud City. The music track that has become known as "Rescue from Cloud City / Hyperspace" - a track that, in the film's original version, begins from the moment Vader cuts off Luke's hand and continues until Vader storms off the bridge of the Executor after the Millennium Falcon escapes into hyperspace - is also now spliced in a manner corresponding to the insertion of the short added scene. Specifically, for approximately 5 to 10 seconds, music originally played at the moment Vader informs Luke of his parentage (itself an earlier part of the "Rescue from Cloud City / Hyperspace" track) is incongruously inserted.
There is a new shot of Darth Vader's shuttle heading toward his star destroyer.
A digital hatch has been added to replace the white light that appears when Lando opens the outer hatch to rescue Luke.
A new scene with Darth Vader landing in the docking bay of his Star Destroyer is included, taken from an outtake from Return of the Jedi. Like the footage of Vader boarding his shuttle, this short scene is similarly spliced directly into the action surrounding the Millennium Falcon's escape from Bespin, and the music accompanying the added footage (both a few short seconds of music taken from the very beginning of "Rescue from Cloud City / Hyperspace" and then a few seconds of the same music that was used during the shuttle-boarding footage insertion) likewise cuts incongruously into "Rescue from Cloud City / Hyperspace."
"The Imperial March" is partially repeated in the ending credits music to make room for the Special Edition release credits.
Like Episode IV, matte lines have been removed thanks to digitally compositing.
R2-D2's panels have been colorized blue replacing the original black. Note: The black version was used in bluescreen shots in Star Wars Episodes IV, V, and VI.
More TIE-fighters were added to the lead-up to the scene where the Empire discovers that the Rebels are currently on Hoth, when the Executor and the Imperial Fleet are sitting in space. (This is now the first instance in which a TIE-Bomber is seen, rather than the scene when the Empire is trying to flush the Millennium Falcon out of the asteroid field.)
In the scene where Darth Vader speaks to the Emperor via hologram, the Emperor is now portrayed by Ian McDiarmid; in the original film and the Special Edition, the Emperor was portrayed by an uncredited actress wearing a specially made mask with chimpanzee eyes superimposed over her own, with the voice dubbed in by Clive Revill.[3] A few lines of new dialogue have been added to this scene as well, in which Palpatine informs Vader that their new enemy is the 'offspring' of Anakin Skywalker. McDiarmid actually filmed this scene during principal photography of Revenge of the Sith.
The lines spoken by Boba Fett are now in the voice of Temuera Morrison, the actor who played Jango Fett and the Clone Troopers in Attack of the Clones. The voice was originally provided by Jason Wingreen.
The lines "The first transport is away!" and later "Imperial troops have entered the base!" over the Echo Base public address system are no longer voiced by Mark Hamill.
Enhancements were made to the shots featuring Cloud City, with additional shots of the following day's landing at the city.
The pink tint is removed from the initial shot of Cloud City.
In both the original and 1997 versions, a shadow across Han's chest during the scene in which Han is lowered into the carbon-freezing chamber was erroneously thought to be a wardrobe blooper with him wearing his blue vest. In this release, the dark lighting has been digitally erased.
When Luke confronts Vader in the carbon-freezing chamber and ignites his lightsaber, the sound from the original release is overlapped in this scene by the sound produced by Luke's new lightsaber in Return of the Jedi.
During the film's lightsaber duel, when Vader jumps off the staircase his lightsaber blade looks more orange than red due to miscoloration from the film's restoration team.
The tracked scream of Luke Skywalker introduced in the 1997 re-release, which is heard during Luke's voluntary fall from the Cloud City platform after his duel with Vader, was removed. The track was actually the Emperor's death scream from Return of the Jedi.
In the original and 1997 versions, when Darth Vader asks if the Falcon's hyperdrive is deactivated, Admiral Piett's rank plaque and code cylinders are on the wrong side of his uniform (the plaque is supposed to be on the left side of his tunic, but it was on his right side). This is corrected and Piett has the correct rank placement on his uniform.



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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.89

    Originally posted by Tenken347
    I'm not quite sure what you mean by "get over the fact." Do you mean that I should just buy whatever he puts out? Because that was my point exactly. I'm not really upset about this, but I'm not going to spend my hard-earned money on something that's not actually the product I want. I'd be happy to buy the thing I do want, but I'm fairly resigned to the fact that I'll probably die before I get that chance. It's not the end of the world, it's just disappointing.


What? This has been available for quite some time; I got it a year or two back from Walmart for, like, $40.

Each of the original films is also available in a two-disc set that includes both the original theatrical release and the most-recent Special Edition of the film.



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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.55

Somehow, I am able to retain my nostalgic appreciation for the original films without feeling like Lucas has murdered my childhood. Having said that, Lucas can't do anything worse to the original trilogy than he did by releasing the prequels.

While I think the fanboy head explosions are... entertaining, I have to wonder if Lucas is making these changes for reasons of copyright retention. I remember hearing that music composers, especially in the early 1900s, would take old score out of circulation and re-release new score with minor compositional changes to extend the copyright and keep those works from going into the public domain. Most of the changes Lucas is making are so minor that I wonder if he's doing this to keep these films in his (and his estates) hands that much longer. It might explain his unwilling to re-release the original versions.

If there's a copyright law expert out there...

Speaking of the prequels, if you haven't already, I very much recommend checking out the Plinkett Reviews (redlettermedia.com). Some of them run almost as long as the movies themselves, but they are pretty hysterical (warning - he's not fond of the prequel films) and yet insightful.

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I feel most of these changes come from the fact that between Jedi and Phantom Menace, Lucas decided to retroactively make the original trilogy about Vader and not Luke and company. Line by inserted line, they're trying to redo the original trilogy to somehow focus on Vader and line by inserted line they're smoothing out the rough edges to make the six films jive.



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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.29
You'll notice I said no material changes. Everything you listed for ESB was cosmedic/minor, nothing that significantly changed the story or characters.



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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.95
    Originally posted by Leroy

    While I think the fanboy head explosions are... entertaining, I have to wonder if Lucas is making these changes for reasons of copyright retention. I remember hearing that music composers, especially in the early 1900s, would take old score out of circulation and re-release new score with minor compositional changes to extend the copyright and keep those works from going into the public domain. Most of the changes Lucas is making are so minor that I wonder if he's doing this to keep these films in his (and his estates) hands that much longer. It might explain his unwilling to re-release the original versions.

    If there's a copyright law expert out there...

    Speaking of the prequels, if you haven't already, I very much recommend checking out the Plinkett Reviews (redlettermedia.com). Some of them run almost as long as the movies themselves, but they are pretty hysterical (warning - he's not fond of the prequel films) and yet insightful.


According to http://www.sunsteinlaw.com/practices/copyright-portfolio-development/flowchart.htm , Episode IV should remain under copyright protection for 95 years from the release date, which frankly is still longer than it should be. Copyright law has changed a lot since the early 1900s (a lot of it from the lobbying efforts of Disney).

I agree that the Plinkett Reviews are awesome. They really pointed out to me why I was underwhelmed. The review of the Star Trek movies (also help me realize why the TNG movies weren't so good.



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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.03
    Originally posted by ekedolphin
      Originally posted by Tenken347
      I'm not quite sure what you mean by "get over the fact." Do you mean that I should just buy whatever he puts out? Because that was my point exactly. I'm not really upset about this, but I'm not going to spend my hard-earned money on something that's not actually the product I want. I'd be happy to buy the thing I do want, but I'm fairly resigned to the fact that I'll probably die before I get that chance. It's not the end of the world, it's just disappointing.


    What? This has been available for quite some time; I got it a year or two back from Walmart for, like, $40.

    Each of the original films is also available in a two-disc set that includes both the original theatrical release and the most-recent Special Edition of the film.


Okay, now is the part where I get unbearably snobbish. I remember those releases; they're the non-anamorphic, cheaply transferred copies. In other words, it's the film I want, but the DVD copy isn't great. It's still a step above a VHS copy, but what I'd really like to buy is a nice, crisp, non-letterboxed but still formatted for a widescreen television copy of the original films.
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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.82
    Originally posted by Zeruel
    I feel most of these changes come from the fact that between Jedi and Phantom Menace, Lucas decided to retroactively make the original trilogy about Vader and not Luke and company. Line by inserted line, they're trying to redo the original trilogy to somehow focus on Vader and line by inserted line they're smoothing out the rough edges to make the six films jive.


I think the world made it about Vader.
He's one of the most iconic movie characters ever.
Not Luke Skywalker.
So it only made sense focus of the prequels is on Vader's story and everything relating the original 3 is brought in line with that.





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#19 Posted on
The only change I wanted to see was Yoda being changed to CGI and now I will only be able to get it on Blu-Ray? Bummer man...



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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.05
    Originally posted by Leroy
    Speaking of the prequels, if you haven't already, I very much recommend checking out the Plinkett Reviews (redlettermedia.com). Some of them run almost as long as the movies themselves, but they are pretty hysterical (warning - he's not fond of the prequel films) and yet insightful.



Thank you so very much for these.




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