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Since: 22.10.03
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I want to see more face vs. face, heel vs. heel matches. Last week I saw the Goldberg vs. HBK match on RAW (we are a couple of weeks behind in finland) and it actually was the first match I enjoyed watching for a long time on RAW.
More of those matches where both wrestlers can hit each other and you don't know how the match will end before the match starts.

Who want's to see for example: Chris Jericho vs. Booker T.
You know how the match will start. Book starts beating Jericho untill usually Jericho use low blows or something to "injure" Booker. And then the match can only end in two ways. Booker T can get a fair win or Jericho can cheat to win.

I think the matches should be interesting instead of "entertaining".
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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05
Face/face I'd be fine with, however heel/heel usually doesn't work out. Whom is the crowd supposed to get behind? The crowd is usually confused whom to cheer or boo, plus you run into the "cheer X this week, but boo him next week" problem.



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Every time they do a major heel v heel match, it always tends to fall below expectations, especially since if it's two strong heels. If there's a heel who's getting a cadre of face pops and this is what you're doing to turn him face, than fine.

But I'm thinking of the Angle-HHH match from Royal Rumble 2001 that was essentailly heatless because the crowd didn't know who the fuck to react for.



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Heel vs. Heel matches usually only work if you're trying to turn one of the heels face. But otherwise, I agree with Blanket, the crowd seldom gets into a match between two bad guys. It's the same as if you put two guys who may be good workers but aren't the least bit over out there...technically, the match may be good, it may even be novel, but people won't get into it meaning they go to the bathroom or change the channel. There's no money in that.
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Since: 31.10.03
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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.00
    Originally posted by Blanket Jackson
    Every time they do a major heel v heel match, it always tends to fall below expectations, especially since if it's two strong heels. If there's a heel who's getting a cadre of face pops and this is what you're doing to turn him face, than fine.

    But I'm thinking of the Angle-HHH match from Royal Rumble 2001 that was essentailly heatless because the crowd didn't know who the fuck to react for.


Yeah, but the Angle-HHH-Stephanie love triangle was really good in the summer of 2000. Both men were heels, but were cheered and booed, without either becoming face.

Heel-Heel can be good, if its done right



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I think you can have an effective heel vs heel match if (a) they're both strong heels and (b) there's very little buildup to the match.

Reason being: if the heel doesn't care about getting pops, it probably won't affect the match much. Two that stand out in mind (televised ones, anyways) are Randy Savage vs. Jake The Snake (Saturday Night's Main Event, probably around 1987ish) and Steve Austin vs. Mankind (Raw, Streetfight, guessing around 1996).

Those were awesome matches where it didn't appear as though anyone was trying to get a face pop but just beat the crap out of their opponent. When you do long-term feuds like Angle vs. HHH, it forces fans to choose sides.

Personally, I find face vs. face matches boring for the most part (unless its too very good cruiserweights, for example) because you almost WANT someone to turn, and if it doesn't happen, you feel cheated.



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I remembered the last heel vs. heel match on PPV (Jericho/Christian on RAW months ago aside) was Angle vs. Benoit on Unforgiven 2002. While a good match, the crowd just couldn't figure out who to root for, and found themselves divided. If one of them was turning face then hey, makes sense, but the face turn didn't happen for either until after the Smackdown Six tag feud ended several months later, and Benoit eventually turned face while Angle swerved us into heel status after Armageddon.

As for Jericho and Christian. You saw what happened months ago when Christian defended the IC title against Jericho in an impromptu match on RAW. Crowd was chanting 'boring' at the beginning, and while the match was good, no one had a clue who to root for. And we still don't know who's turning quite yet.

And face vs. face matches, while can be good, makes it really difficult if no one's turning. Then they give you all that 'respect' hokeyness that can really be grating.

In reference to the first post, Goldberg vs. HBK was a decent match because people were anticipating a turn by HBK, and there was still the whole 'bounty' storyline going on, and we didn't know who was collecting then. Could've been Shawn for all we know. But he didn't turn. Instead, we just had someone who was aligned with HHH to begin with take the bounty. Eh...



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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.54
Another classic heel vs. heel matchup was Rick Martel/Shawn Michaels at Summerslam 1992. This one, however, was played for comedy, with the two pretty-boy heels agreeing not to hit each other in the face...gold.



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You can usually make a heel-heel match entertaining, however, by inserting a megaface into a prominent role, either as guest referee or sideline observer...
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