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Riot?

Whaaaa, I had no idea they were that committed to Price. After all that. Halak's agent says they were never contacted once by Montreal to negotiate his RFAdom so apparently they always intended to deal him.

Granted, Halak's value might never be higher coming off that run, and maybe that run will be a flash in the pan, but he's not exactly less of a sure thing than Price. If they were that committed to Price I wish they would've played him against the Penguins.

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For Lars Eller who was the Blues 1st pick, 13th overall in 2007. and Ian Schulz who seems to be a bruiser.

I am filled with hate right now.



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    Originally posted by Llakor
    I am filled with hate right now.


I wouldn't be shocked if most Habs fans disagree with me on this one, as you do. But in the Salary Cap age there's some choices that need to be made. I'm objective enough to see that the money Halak will be asking for will be out of proportion to what his track record is at this time. TSN did a segment during the year that looked at the two goalies during the season. They actually had close stats except in two categories. One was the ol' W-L record....and the other was that Montreal scored less goals a game when Price was playing. You reverse that one stat, all of sudden Price is the one being traded. It's economics; if you think both goalies will give you similar results (which they do and for the most part did over the last few years) you stick with the cheaper one.

The future may vindicate this move or revile it, but for right now based on the numbers (not emotion) this was the right call to make. Sadly, us Habs fan run on pure emotion....and the sensationalistic headlines soon to come won't help. Classic example (albeit with more money involved); Chara vs Redden, at least in the negative sense. No one knew Redden would fall off the deep end, at the time it made sense to keep him over Chara. This could wind up like that. Or it could work out for the better, the money we would have spent on Halak might be spent elsewhere.

Regardless, I'm fine with this move. Especially if this saves us money in the long run for another player.

(edited by El Nastio on 17.6.10 1647)

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    Originally posted by El Nastio
    I'm objective enough to see that the money Halak will be asking for will be out of proportion to what his track record is at this time.
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    Halak's agent says they were never contacted once by Montreal to negotiate his RFAdom.
How do you not at least see what money Halak will be asking before you pull the trigger? And isn't this naturally going to increase Price's, um, price?



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I guess Mason isnt un the Blues long term plans.
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    Originally posted by hansen9j
      Originally posted by El Nastio
      I'm objective enough to see that the money Halak will be asking for will be out of proportion to what his track record is at this time.
      Originally posted by JustinShapiro
      Halak's agent says they were never contacted once by Montreal to negotiate his RFAdom.
    How do you not at least see what money Halak will be asking before you pull the trigger? And isn't this naturally going to increase Price's, um, price?


You don't need to be a rocket scientist to know Halak will want the cash, more than Price will ask for. Price won't ask for as much because he knows this could be his last chance, not to mention he knows he'll be on a short leash.





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The plus side on Price is that he was the leader in calling out the Kostityn's on bailing on an optional practice during the playoffs. Especially since part of Price's lack of mental focus seemed to come from partying with the brothers (according to rumours.)

On the down side, Price is the petulant child who had a major melt-down against the Capitals.



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    Originally posted by Llakor
    On the down side, Price is the petulant child who had a major melt-down against the Capitals.


Halak had meltdowns too, they just got overshadowed.

This reminds me of when we traded Huet for a bag of hockey pucks. That wasn't so bad, was it?



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    Originally posted by El Nastio
    TSN did a segment during the year that looked at the two goalies during the season. They actually had close stats except in two categories. One was the ol' W-L record....and the other was that Montreal scored less goals a game when Price was playing. You reverse that one stat, all of sudden Price is the one being traded. It's economics; if you think both goalies will give you similar results (which they do and for the most part did over the last few years) you stick with the cheaper one.


They weren't very close in save percentage or GAA either, though. Price's .912 was good for 20th in the league, while Halak's .924 ranked him 4th. Halak's 2.40 GAA has him 9th, while Price's 2.77 is 31st. Halak's numbers this year were those of an elite goalie, while Price's were middle-of-the-pack at best. I'm not saying these numbers will be replicated every year, or even that the trade will necessarily be bad for Montreal, but there was quite a bit of difference in every significant category between Price and Halak this year.

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I think it boiled down to Montreal realizing they couldn't continue with both goalies and Halak having the higher trade value due to his playoff run.



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By meltdown I wasn't referring to letting in goals, I was referring to Price taking two dumb penalties including one for shooting a puck at the back of a player who just scored on him.

The other issue is that (repeating the Roy mistake) no-one did any due diligence and called the other teams in the league to see what the best deal was. Not to mention that no one bothered to call Halak to see what his price was. They probably couldn't have afforded it, but it would have been polite to ask.

(With Patrick Roy Houle never bothered to shop Roy to every team. Sather would have given them Cujo and prospects which would have been worth thinking about.)



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