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Mondesi placed on 15 day DL with torn right quadricep (sports.espn.go.com)


    Originally posted by ESPN.com
    The 34-year-old outfielder played all 17 innings of Tuesday night's 1-0 loss to Milwaukee and grounded out for the final out of the game. He is 4-for-34 since signing with Anaheim as a free agent, after Pittsburgh terminated his contract on May 19.


    Originally posted by Mike Sciossia
    We're confident he's going to go out and not be a risk, injury-wise.


This was a somewhat questionable signing by the Angels in the first place, although it did give them three of the best outfield arms in one outfield in the majors. They just got Salmon back, so I don't think that they'll miss Mondesi too much, Jeff DaVanon and Chone Figgins can both play a capable centerfield.





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They're foolish to be letting any starting player play a full 17 inning game never mind one as injury prone as Mondesi. I wouldn't look at this as being the fault of anything but a poor management decision.



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    Originally posted by bubblesthechimp
    They're foolish to be letting any starting player play a full 17 inning game never mind one as injury prone as Mondesi. I wouldn't look at this as being the fault of anything but a poor management decision.
Oh good grief. In 1920 the Brooklyn Dodgers and Boston Braves played a 1-1 26-inning tie game where both pitchers went the distance. To say that no position player should play 17 is ridiculous, given that you don't have enough bodies to make the change and that players play both ends of a doubleheader with regularity...



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    Originally posted by bubblesthechimp
    They're foolish to be letting any starting player play a full 17 inning game never mind one as injury prone as Mondesi. I wouldn't look at this as being the fault of anything but a poor management decision.


So...you're in a tied game, and you figure the smart move would have been to pull the guy who is not only a valuable defensive asset in the outfield but could also end the game with one swing of the bat?

How many guys played that whole game and didn't get hurt? I'll tell you. Six guys from Milwaukee and all eight other starters from Anaheim. You said it yourself, he's injury prone. Injury prone guys get hurt. It's that simple.



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Well, both DaVanon and Figgins - as the Angels know by now - can play center. If a man has a history of injury (and was, lest we forget, 0-7 in that entire game), why not take a chance? I mean, you're at home, you only need 1 run to win the game. Of course, since Figgins and DaVanon were both playing in the game, that means they'd have to bring in another guy at DH, but that shouldn't be impossible (Eckstein was on the bench for the entire game).

Of course, I just thought it was karmic payback for basically quitting the Pirates.

(Edited due to grammatical stupidity.)

(edited by TheCow on 10.6.04 1815)
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    Originally posted by TheCow
    Well, both DaVanon and Figgins - as the Angels know by now - can play center. If a man has a history of injury (and was, lest we forget, 0-7 in that entire game), why not take a chance? I mean, you're at home, you only need 1 run to win the game. Of course, since Figgins and DaVanon were both playing in the game, that means they'd have to bring in another guy at DH, but that shouldn't be impossible (Eckstein was on the bench for the entire game).

    Of course, I just thought it was karmic payback for basically quitting the Pirates.


There is a funny rule about bringing the DH in to play the field. If you do that, I think you lose the position for the rest of the game. Also, Eckstein is out with a hamstring injury alreay, its just not bad enough to put him on the DL (yet).

//edit: Garrett Anderson is also expected to be activated from the disabled list today. I believe he was playing centerfield most of the time before he went out.

(edited by Whitebacon on 10.6.04 1521)



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Gambling, in the context of baseball, is a capital offense and Rose has richly earned-- hell, he agreed to-- his death sentence. Let him hang.

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Yeah, bringing in the DH to the field means that the pitcher has to bat. Happened to the Sox once a few years ago and Roger Clemens wound up getting a hit.



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..and the injury happens a week before the Angels go to Pittsburgh. I'm sure Mondesi would have received some harsh treatment from all 1500 Pittsbrugh fans in attendance.



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i thought having mondesi would be nice for the angels but he is now down to 6th(at least) on the outfield depth chart

1. vladamir guerrero
2. garret anderson
3. jose guillen
4. tim salmon
5. jeff davanon
6. raul mondesi or chone figgins who will probably play
exclusively at 3rd now.
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So... Guillen, Salmon, Guerrero, and Mondesi are four guys who have good arms. Salmon's isn't as good as it used to be, and he's as injury prone as Mondesi. Anderson is someone who've I've never heard rave reviews about his throwing. Still he is a good all around defensive player.

But the best thing for the Angels so far this year has been Figgins. Especially patching up the huge hole that Kennedy left up the middle.

Buuuut back to Mondesi, who is kinda slow now, and never a very good average hitter, but he's got a great arm, and can hit for a lot of power, should he connect. Still he did pull a stunt with the Pirates, I can't imagine this guy being the best in the clubhouse.

On a side note, whenever I let the computer optimize the roster in High Heat 2003, or MVP 2004 they put Guerrero in centerfield, so I wonder...

(edited by Iago on 14.6.04 1447)



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Salmon isn't even a factor in the OF anymore, he's strictly the DH. Ditto for Erstad subbing DH for first base.

Mondesi's lifetime average is .276. Not the greatest, but certainly not Tony Batista-esque atrociousness.

Iago...Figgins has played a total of six games at the two middle infield positions this year. I think you're confusing Adam Kennedy with Troy Glaus and second base with third base.



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In the context of baseball, the use of drugs hurts only the player. In the context of baseball, the use of alcohol hurts only the player. In the context of baseball, womanizing hurts whom? Maybe the wife of the player? In the context of baseball, felonies are crimes against society, not against baseball. In the context of baseball, gambling is the only crime against baseball.

Gambling, in the context of baseball, is a capital offense and Rose has richly earned-- hell, he agreed to-- his death sentence. Let him hang.

Bob Kohm, co-owner of Rotojunkies.com (rotojunkies.com) , and a large market kind of guy.
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But Tony Batista could hit 30-35 home runs while batting .240, while Mondesi will hit 17 and hit .265. I'd take Batista and the extra home runs.



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Tony Batista has a .608 OPS this season. Six-oh-eight.

That's pretty damn bad. A quick search at ESPN.com reveals that, of batters with a minimum 225 plate appearances, Tony Batista ranks 172/179. He also strikes out twice as much as he walks.

Simply but, Batista sucks.

And the Orioles suck, too. 0-6 vs the Yankees. Despicable.



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You wanted the best, you got... Out of Context Quote of the Week.

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    Originally posted by PalpatineW
    Simply but, Batista sucks.


And where have we heard that before?

Then again, didn't the Expos have Fernando Tatis at 3B last year? Batista's probably an upgrade.



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Egg on my face. But, my fault for not mentioning Salmon being strictly DH and Erstad's move being another protective one.

As for Figgins, again a whoopsie, having seen the guy play at second base the image of him being there sort of stuck in my head.

I suppose the Angels could have gotten away with not picking him, Mondesi, up. And they could always drop the guy should they need to. With Anderson back that may happen, or they may try and pad the lineup with backups, their year hasn't been good at all.

Batista does have that way open stance, which he has changed since I first saw him. And the uniqueness doesn't change the fact he lacks discipline on the plate, sure he hits home runs, but he isn't really a good clutch hitter, because he doesn't know when not to swing.




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