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#41 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.71
    Originally posted by The King of Keith
    Let me add my thanks to geemoney, who provided one of the most unbiased and well written recaps out there at an insanely fast turnaround. Kudos.

    SEAN MOONEY!!!!! I've never been so excited to see a backstage interviewer in all of my life.


I'd like to second this -- particularly the part about it being unbiased and well written. So many of the other sites have some idiot writing the recaps who throws his idiot thoughts and ideas into every other line. I don't give a shit that Brazen Bobby from Boise thinks HHH sucks and tells us about it all the time. Tell me what happened, throw a little bit of your personality in there, and thankyouverymuch.

Thanks, geemoney, for years of helping me catch up on Raw when I missed it. Poor timing on your departure, as I'll be missing it a lot more now with a new baby in the house.
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#42 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.30
"Better than Raw X!" - pull quote from me I officially authorize WWE to use on the DVD cover for the Raw 1000 Memorial Blu-Ray

That 20 minute DX opening was almost as painful as I expected (Road Dogg is still good at doing what he does, and Sandow trying to get into the huddle was funny) and made all the worse that we didn't get to see the cannon fodder or HBK get massacred by Lesnar. Would have been a significantly better SummerSlam build than "You can't use insults against me, HHH!" (Stephanie mildly insults Heyman) "YOU WANT A PIECE OF ME? YOOOOOOUUUU GOT IIIIIIIITTTT! Frank Costanza/Elaine brawl we got instead.

People who somehow look better now than they did in their WWE primes: The Rock, Lita, Sean Mooney.

It'll be lost with all the talk of the return of Hand, but the best part of that Layla/AJ segment was Layla's incredibly dry, matter-of-fact delivery of "...he's an invisible child" to explain Little Jimmy. That was amazing.

Re: Slaughter being out there with the rest of the Heath Slater Revenge Squad, I just assumed that Sarge just assumed Heath had fought him, since Slaughter is always the first legend they trot out. My hope is that next week, Slater points out that he didn't have an encounter with him, and a contrite Sarge takes Heath under his wing, giving us the birth of either "Sgt. Slater" or "Heath Slaughter".

Good thing about the wedding: Slick vaulted ahead of Truth (OK, WHAT ME!), Undertaker (Say what if you sleep with yer sister!) and Heyman in the pantheon of peoeple dealing with "WHAT?". Slick just going into business for himself and milking the crowd was great, along with Bryan and AJ legit cracking up when he did it. Also, Bryan is ridiculously great at playing this faux-sincere heel.

Bad thing about the wedding: Everything else. What the hell? Did they change their minds about how it was going to end during the commercial break? They had clearly set things up that Bryan was going to marry AJ and then, as her spouse, immediately have her legally committed to an asylum. Like, they showed him talking to the guys in the back. And then, nothing. No payoff to that at all. If Bryan drops some line about "being committed" and then has AJ thrown into a mental ward, it's an awesome heel move and the wedding instantly gets to compete with Kane/Lita and Chuck/Billy. But that? So weird. And even weirder to show those guys and not bring them up or pay it off. WWE has never, ever trusted viewers to make that kind of connection before (a "here's what would have happened!" kind of deal), so I'm really baffled as to why they showed them at all.

So, Rob Van Dam, officially erased from WWE history? Lawler's "As far as I can remember - no, I'm absolutely sure no one has ever cashed in their Money In The Bank this way before!" sure felt like it.

Lack of Austin was interesting. He got a pretty big segment about the Austin/McMahon feud, so I'm assuming it was a scheduling problem and not an on-the-outs thing, and I think it'll end up being a fortuitous one given how the show ended.

The ending: I'm of two minds about it.

On the one hand, I hate what it says about the company, long-term. It confirms that they're never going to push the button on the Cena heel turn until it's too late. A Cena turn is The Big Angle, and this was a big episode. This is a company that once pulled the trigger on double-turning their kid-friendly standard-bearer and a psycho and managed to save them business doing it. In the past, they have the knowledge and the guts to turn Cena here and make a real splash, but they just can't bring themselves to do it. Even given some of the real-life issues behind it, I can't not be disappointed by that, I just can't.

Lawler's "Punk just turned on the WWE Universe!" was also terrible, especially considering the work Punk put into coming off conflicted about taking advantage of Cena. A slow-burn explanation from Punk where he starts off apologetic and then talks himself out of it and into accepting that he did the right thing would be a lot more interesting, but that line (surely fed from the back) kind of undercut the possibility.

On the other hand, it's obvious Punk wants to do this, and Punk vs. Rock is a feud I very much want to see, especially if Rock continues to sell for Punk like he did last night. Punk's promo next week will obviously see him bring up the list of wrongheaded things they've done this year like Cena headlining over him in comedy feuds even while he was the champ, and I'd guess he either debuts the new belt or just destroys the old one next week as well.

As for what the payoff to this is, it struck me as tin-eared that they had Cena deliver the "Austin refused to be the corporate champion they wanted him to be" exposition during the Austin/McMahon montage, considering that Cena is the very thing (jorts aside) that Vince wanted Austin to become in that storyline. But now I wonder if that's not specifically a plot point for Punk to exploit next week, and Punk invoking Austin's name in damning Cena and Rock will be the key to Austin coming back for Punk at Wrestlemania much like Austin drew Bret back to his dismay years ago.

That said, there's also way to spring this into Punk/Undertaker for Wrestlemania if other plans fall through. Punk deciding to do an end run around the John Ceiling by going after The Streak would be a viable plan. (Suggestion to Punk: attack UT when he's trying to get his cloak off.)
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#43 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.34
GeeMoney,

Thank you a thousand times for your work over the past few years. As many others have said, there was a period when I didn't watch at all but still kept up with your recaps. Your style, objectiveness, accuracy, and timeliness were class-A services. I will miss your work, but I understand the decision. Thank you again. It has been a pleasure.

Raw M: I need a screen grab of Slick. Either one of the two awesome faces he made during the ceremony. I don't care. I will forever be in the debt of the person who can track it down for me. I was blown away by his performace and he killed it during the whats.

The Doctor and I are on the same page about the mental hospital orderlies. Very strange to show them, and even bring up that they're wearing white but not tuxedos, and then not mention it again.

They have very small, very expensive plans for Brock. He could have been Clubber Lang.

That DX promo was strange. Road Dogg seemed to be the most sober one in the group. Michaels was acting odd, especially with the comment about having to go to church and ask for forgiveness, again.

I was stunned that the first face on the nostalgia package was Savage.

I'm a fan of the turn of Punk. He wasn't necessarrily stale, it just seemed like he had no real direction or focus from week to week. The voice of the voiceless thing fell apart quickly because it doesn't work as a face. Hopefully he will bring it back and say what really does need to be said.

GeeMoney, I would also drink her bathwater.


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#44 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.06
    Originally posted by Dr Unlikely


    So, Rob Van Dam, officially erased from WWE history? Lawler's "As far as I can remember - no, I'm absolutely sure no one has ever cashed in their Money In The Bank this way before!" sure felt like it.



Along with Angle, Dudleys, Hardy's, Al Snow, (ie: all TNA roster members not named Flair).

But wait, during that (opening?) montage, was that actually Hogan they flashed that clip of or the Huxter?

Oh, and speaking of the opening montage, I completely marked out that the first superstar they shows was Macho Man, AND during the cathphrase clip, we got to hear VINTAGE Macho. DIG IT~! *golf clap*

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#45 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.94
- Many weeks when I was way too fast with the DVR button I found myself relying on geemoney's recaps to fill in the gaps for me. Excellent work, and it will be missed.

- The Layla/AJ segment was a perfect piece of television. The movement from mildly weird (the everyday act of Hacksaw Jim Duggan) to the people who are probably in need of medication (Roddy and Truth playing with Lil' Jimmy) to the just downright ludicrous (Hand is all grown up now) was beautiful. Nothing else on the show was going to top that segment.

- I wish my father-in-law would spend $5 million so I could pretend to beat a former UFC champion in front of thousands of people. That's a better birthday party thing than a bouncy castle or a clown making balloon animals.

- Slick should eventually be revealed as Abraham Washington's father so that he can help him manage the All World stable.

- The HHH/Trish callback made me laugh, and I wish that Stephanie had not been the surprise during the Heyman sketch so that she could have walked in on that instead of DX.

- It seems useful to remember Punk was a heel when he gave the original pipe bomb speech in the first place. Also, it makes me wonder if the whole airport incident wasn't planned as a subtle way of prepping the social media followers for his turn.




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#46 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.41
Thanks to G$...no way could I have recapped 80% of the shows you did. No shame in tapping out to 3 hour shows.

-Opening segment pet peeve. When Shawn was trying to remember the other guys, wouldn't it have been a much better pop to hit the "OH YOU DIDN"T KNOW?"

-They aren't even letting Brock get over on the segments. Such a good use of that money.

-Stephanie just cannot play face.

-Had a friend that doesn't watch wrestling anymore text me about it, marking out like crazy.

-Blown Opportunity #2 - They STILL have not had Brodus and Rikishi in a dance off.

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#47 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.59
You guys sure are gonna feel silly when Brock beats HHH at SummerSlam.
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#48 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.71
    Originally posted by spf
    Also, it makes me wonder if the whole airport incident wasn't planned as a subtle way of prepping the social media followers for his turn.



Care to educate the uneducated about this?
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#49 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.94
    Originally posted by Hokienautic
      Originally posted by spf
      Also, it makes me wonder if the whole airport incident wasn't planned as a subtle way of prepping the social media followers for his turn.



    Care to educate the uneducated about this?


    Originally posted by F4W
    There was an incident Sunday at the St. Louis Airport where C.M. Punk was coming into town from a show in Omaha. A fan asked him for an autograph and Punk turned him down. We don't know the story behind it other than apparently the fan may have been rude in his approach. This led to another fan yeling at Punk and causing a scene at the airport, which wound up with Punk throwing the man's autograph book in a garbage can.

    The next thing you know, airport police are with Punk and the guy, with Punk very annoyed at having his time wasted. Other WWE wrestlers were asking fans if they knew "the fat guy" (the guy whose book Punk threw in the garbage can). Punk later went on Twitter and made a mention of "unacceptable behavior" and "one person ruins it for everyone" saying he wanted to thank all the respectful fans at the airport tonight and how he just doesn't like rude people.


http://www.f4wonline.com/more/more-top-stories/118-daily-updates/26673-names-confirmed-for-wwe-raw-1000-cm-punk-airport-incident



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#50 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.30
    Originally posted by JimBob Skeeter
      Originally posted by Dr Unlikely


      So, Rob Van Dam, officially erased from WWE history? Lawler's "As far as I can remember - no, I'm absolutely sure no one has ever cashed in their Money In The Bank this way before!" sure felt like it.



    Along with Angle, Dudleys, Hardy's, Al Snow, (ie: all TNA roster members not named Flair).

    But wait, during that (opening?) montage, was that actually Hogan they flashed that clip of or the Huxter?

Yeah, that wasn't real Hogan. I didn't expect any of the TNA guys to get mentioned, but they did seem to go specifically out of their way to erase RVD's decision to cash in ahead of time, which was especially weird because he did it to Cena, obviously. Just not sure if it was them being extra petty or if it's a plot point that they want Cena to be the lone honorable MITB winner to counter Punk's next promo.

Re: the Layla/AJ sequence, I do wonder if Hand wasn't a late replacement for, say, a returning Warrior to be standing outside the doorway.

Forgot to mention that my favorite nostalgia moments were the triumphant returns of the "Jive Soul Bro" and "Soap Makin' Woooomaaaaan!" themes. Slightly conflicted on Slick mentioning that he was being "paid in yardbird."
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#51 Posted on
Another lurker chiming in to say thank you to Geemoney. Living in the UK I rarely watch Raw live nowadays and your recaps on a Tuesday morning were the business.

Entertaining in their own right but never at the expense of informing on what was going on, the quality of them wouldn't have been out of place in a publication.

Like a few others, I don't consider the recap dead at all and will be spending time this week looking out for any that are even half as good as these have been.

Cheers!
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#52 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.21
    Originally posted by spf

      Originally posted by F4W
      There was an incident Sunday at the St. Louis Airport where C.M. Punk was coming into town from a show in Omaha. A fan asked him for an autograph and Punk turned him down. We don't know the story behind it other than apparently the fan may have been rude in his approach. This led to another fan yeling at Punk and causing a scene at the airport, which wound up with Punk throwing the man's autograph book in a garbage can.

      The next thing you know, airport police are with Punk and the guy, with Punk very annoyed at having his time wasted. Other WWE wrestlers were asking fans if they knew "the fat guy" (the guy whose book Punk threw in the garbage can). Punk later went on Twitter and made a mention of "unacceptable behavior" and "one person ruins it for everyone" saying he wanted to thank all the respectful fans at the airport tonight and how he just doesn't like rude people.


    http://www.f4wonline.com/​more/​more-​top-​stories/​118-​daily-​updates/​26673-​names-​confirmed-​for-​wwe-​raw-​1000-​cm-​punk-​airport-​incident

Punk has mentioned before (on Colt Cabana's podcast) that he is not much into being approached by people in public. He said when his headphones are one, he does not want anyone talking to him. When he's on his phone, he does not want anyone talking to him. So I can totally believe that was real, especially if he was approached in a manner that he did not appreciate.
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#53 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.69
    Originally posted by Toast Jr
    We are how many posts in and we're not going to talk about Mae Young's hand-son? 15 years later, and I finally get the payoff I always wanted. I laughed so hard I was nearly crying. Please tell me you can't all be so cold.

    I know I am in the minority, but I can't wait to see Punk wipe the floor with the Rock. I don't like the Rock. He been saying the same catch-phrases and doing the same schtick for so long. It bores me to tears. I thin Punk is the face, coming to save me from more of the Rock's asinine bakery metaphors.


Oh, I definitely did a spit-take when the hand showed up, it was good in a 'oh no, they didn't!' way. All they needed to top off that spot was Booker to say "tell me.. I didn't just see THAT". (Even better if you just heard him catchphrase from around the corner.)

They just threw so much into this show, I think everyone on the board just wanted to talk about the "Big Angle of Summer 2012"©. Which was a big deal by general Raw standards, but not in the league with the Pipe Bomb of 2011, or the Nexus Takeover of 2010.

It remains to be seen if Punk is just moving back into his old heel slot, just working against higher-profile faces.. or he gets to be the character he hinted at during the MitB promos. He was de-facto heel against Cena then, but getting half or more of the cheers, even in Boston. Since he got the new contract and reportedly has been working with Vince on his angles ever since.. I'm cautiously optimistic it's going to be the latter.


    Did You Know? - Punk will pass Hulk Hogan and Bret Hart for 15th place on the longest reign list Wednesday. If he holds it until SummerSlam, he'd also pass Yokozuna, JBL and John Cena for 12th. If Punk somehow made it all the way to a showdown with Rock at the Royal Rumble uninterrupted, he'd move into 6th place by passing Cena's longest championship run, and break the record for what I'd call the Sports Entertainment Era.


If Bryan's plan all along was to get AJ committed, and thus out of his way, that also makes a lot more sense out of last week's sudden proposal. If the brief "groomsmen in the white coats" scene turns out to be foreshadowing for further shenanigans between DB and the new GM, that would be a level of subtlety I'm not at all used to from WWE.

No one cares that John Cena becomes the first man to fail at cashing-in Money in the Bank.



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#54 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.28
    Originally posted by Dr Unlikely

    So, Rob Van Dam, officially erased from WWE history? Lawler's "As far as I can remember - no, I'm absolutely sure no one has ever cashed in their Money In The Bank this way before!" sure felt like it.


WWE did seem heavy on ignoring TNA guys, but it is Lawler, It's equally possible he just forgot in the moment.



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#55 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.41
I found the white coats interesting too. Also Bryan saying something about how after he puts the ring on her finger he'll have everything he ever wanted. Fully expected them to get married and him have her committed.

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#56 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.30
    Originally posted by thecubsfan
      Originally posted by Dr Unlikely

      So, Rob Van Dam, officially erased from WWE history? Lawler's "As far as I can remember - no, I'm absolutely sure no one has ever cashed in their Money In The Bank this way before!" sure felt like it.


    WWE did seem heavy on ignoring TNA guys, but it is Lawler, It's equally possible he just forgot in the moment.
Yeah, that is just as likely, but it was the way he "corrected" himself mid-sentence made me think it was something he was getting through his headset.

Of course, I also assumed last week that Cole had screwed up announcing that it was the last two hour Raw ever because of how awkward he and Lawler were immediately after he said it, but there was nothing this week to indicate that he had jumped the gun, so what do I know?
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#57 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.71
    Originally posted by thecubsfan
      Originally posted by Dr Unlikely

      So, Rob Van Dam, officially erased from WWE history? Lawler's "As far as I can remember - no, I'm absolutely sure no one has ever cashed in their Money In The Bank this way before!" sure felt like it.


    WWE did seem heavy on ignoring TNA guys, but it is Lawler, It's equally possible he just forgot in the moment.


I could have sworn last week they mentioned something about it having been done once before.
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#58 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.71
Was just on Rajah.com, and apparently Steve Austin wasn't there due to a recent knee surgery.

"The reason I did not attend RAW 1,000 was because I underwent a major knee surgery on my left knee on July 2, 2012. Dr. Neal ElAttrache of the Kerlan-Jobe Orthopaedic Clinic in Los Angeles, CA performed the surgery," he states.
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#59 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.28
Let's skip the C&P and go straight to Steve Austin's website.


    STONE COLD STEVE AUSTIN IS A 100% ASS KICKING MACHINE. There was no way I was going to limp down the ramp on crutches for RAW 1,000. It was time to get my knee fixed. The decision to no-show RAW 1,000 was made by me and no one else. I have always taken pride in making my shots and have never faked an injury or illness. Pro Wrestling is a tough game and it was time to pay the piper for some of the damage I incurred in the ring. No gripes. No complaints.


The Austin/Vince video package felt like their replacement for not having Austin actually there.



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#60 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00

I'll echo the sentiments of everyone else ... geemoney, kudos for all of the fine work over the years.

I've grown so tired of CM Punk ... hopefully this "heel turn" will at least make me interested in him again.

speaking of, I have not problem with it ... if nothing else, it will further fuel the Austin vs. Punk WM29 speculation (and will be much easier to pull off if Punk's a heel).

When's this Ambrose guy supposed to show up?
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