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Very itneresting that, in the context of the argument, any paper would call for EMK's ouster over that of Rumsfeld.

Of course it isn't the first time, nor will it be the last time, that the Senator for Chappaquiddick said something inane....

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Kennedy's calumnies have gone way too far
Saturday, May 15, 2004
Edward Kennedy ought to resign from the U.S. Senate.

Likewise, Sen. Kennedy's protegé John Kerry ought to publicly disassociate himself from, and denounce in no uncertain terms, his mentor's latest inflammatory remarks.

Sen. Kennedy has made a career of verbal attacks so vicious that few other politicians could get away with them. But the frequency and outrageousness of his cheap shots have increased in recent years -- and this past Monday he outdid himself.

His remarks on the Senate floor were so obnoxious, so inexcusable, that no apology can make amends for them. In them, Sen. Kennedy had the gall to assert a moral equivalence between the routine brutality of Saddam Hussein's regime and the humiliating, but exceptional, treatment of some Iraqi prisoners by their American guards.

Consider Mr. Kennedy's statement: "Protection of the Iraqi people from the cruelty of Saddam had become one of the administration's last remaining rationalizations for going to war. All of the other trumped-up rationalizations have collapsed. ... On Dec. 24, 2003 -- the day Saddam was captured -- President Bush said, 'For the vast majority of Iraqi citizens who wish to live as free men and women, this event brings further assurance that the torture chambers and the secret police are gone forever.' On March 19, 2004, President Bush asked: 'Who would prefer that Saddam's torture chambers still be open?' Shamefully, we now learn that Saddam's torture chambers reopened under new management -- U.S. management."

This comes on top of Mr. Kennedy saying last year that the entire war effort was a "fraud" undertaken for political advantage, while accusing President Bush of using "bribery" to secure the support of foreign leaders.

It comes on top of him calling judicial nominees "Neanderthals." And on and on go the examples of his calumnies, including, most famously, when he slandered Supreme Court nominee Robert Bork in 1987 thusly: "Robert Bork's America is a land in which women would be forced into back-alley abortions, blacks would sit at segregated lunch counters, rogue police could break down citizens' doors in midnight raids, schoolchildren could not be taught about evolution, writers and artists would be censored at the whim of government, and the doors of the federal courts would be shut on the fingers of millions of citizens."

This is all hate speech, pure and simple, coming from a man whose own moral compass has time and again been notoriously skewed.

But to go so far as to impugn the Bush administration, and the U.S. armed services, as having deliberately "re-opened" Saddam Hussein's "torture chambers" is to go beyond the acceptable limits of public discourse.

Sen. Kerry, meanwhile, has a duty to denounce his mentor's remarks. Mr. Kennedy, after all, has been his political sponsor ever since Mr. Kerry slandered fellow American soldiers in his infamous testimony before the U.S. Senate in 1971.

Last fall, when Sen. Kerry's campaign for the Democratic nomination looked like a monumental flop, Sen. Kennedy sent his longtime aides, Mary Beth Cahill and Stephanie Cutter, to bail out his Massachusetts colleague. In the run-up to the crucial Iowa caucuses, with John Kerry nursing a sore throat, Sen. Kennedy seemed more visible on the hustings than the candidate himself.

Candidate Kerry therefore should take this moment to separate himself from the senior senator, to say once and for all that hate speech has no place in American presidential politics.

In calling for Sen. Kennedy's resignation, we hasten to note, the Register editorial board applies the same standards it applied to Mississippi Republican Trent Lott, then Senate majority leader. In the wake of Sen. Lott's racially inflammatory remarks related to the late Sen. Strom Thurmond, the Register editorialized that "the cause of an honest moral reckoning demands that he step down."

In the wake of this latest entry on Sen. Kennedy's record, the same moral reckoning, long overdue, should apply to the senior senator from Massachusetts.



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Just goes to show what kind of people Massachusetts voters will put in office.

Hard to believe he is from the same gene pool as JFK and RFK.





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    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    Just goes to show what kind of people Massachusetts voters will put in office.


Isn't John Ashcroft from Missouri? I'm jusy sayin'.



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He is, but I only live here, not from here, and didnt and wouldnt vote for him. Remember, he lost the governers race to a dead man, so it isnt like people here really LIKE him.



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Maybe if I hadn't heard the same comments about a billion times in the news for the past few weeks, I'd be more shocked about Kennedy mentioning the fact that the US isn't the only government known for torture in Iraq.
Anyway, am I the only one that thinks this editorial was written by a high-schooler? The fact that he dredged up a quote from seventeen(!) years ago, used it to fill up a whole paragraph, and yet his editorial was still so short makes it look like a poorly done social studies essay. And of course, leaving "torture chambers" in quotes makes it seem like he wants us to believe that Saddam didn't have torture chambers, and Ted just went and made it up.

"Trash".

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Having spent, over the years, quite a lot of time visiting friends and relatives in the deep south (in Georgia, Arkansas, Alabama, and Florida), I find it interesting that this political parry comes in the form of an editorial from a conservative Alabama news source. I wonder how much of this comes from just the simple tenet that it is the American conservative's duty these days to accuse all American liberals of being unAmerican (McCarthy anyone?) traitors, and how much comes from the age-old clash of Good-Old-Boy v. Yankee.

Now, most of the people I've met from that part of America (my Aunt, Uncle, and cousins included) wouldn't cross the street to spit on this kind of idiot if his hair was on fire, but most news sources bring their own editorial bias to the table, and the Mobile Register seems to be firmly on the conservative side.

Sure, Ted's comments were harsh, but the issues he was addressing called for harshness. I don't doubt he was speaking from, and for, the outrage of millions of Americans who, in their own daily life, probably feel a little shy about criticizing the current administration because of the 'traitor' label.

I also have no doubt that if a Republican Senator spoke equally harshly about some Democratic Party scandal, this yahoo would probably write an editorial calling for a conference of a special commendation upon said Senator.


(edited by Stilton on 18.5.04 1943)


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    Originally posted by Stilton
    I also have no doubt that if a Republican Senator spoke equally harshly about some Democratic Party scandal, this yahoo would probably write an editorial calling for a conference of a special commendation upon said Senator.


    (edited by Stilton on 18.5.04 1943)



In calling for Sen. Kennedy's resignation, we hasten to note, the Register editorial board applies the same standards it applied to Mississippi Republican Trent Lott, then Senate majority leader. In the wake of Sen. Lott's racially inflammatory remarks related to the late Sen. Strom Thurmond, the Register editorialized that "the cause of an honest moral reckoning demands that he step down."

Its another excuse to slam the current administration. Anything that happend in Iraq is the worst thing ever! Just ask a Democrat.




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    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    Its another excuse to slam the current administration. Anything that happend in Iraq is the worst thing ever! Just ask a Democrat.


Or an Iraqi.

Is the current administration really so blameless? They've been doing a fantastic job in the media of passing all the scandals down to rogue underlings and nameless scapegoats. At what point is someone with a brass plack on his door going to accept some responsibility? So far, not one member of Bush's administration has taken the least bit of blame. Not one of them has said, "You know what, this was my area of responsibility, this happened on my watch, I lost control of the situation, I made a bad call, and I have to accept repsonsibility for it." Not one of them has said, "The buck stops here."

In his own colorful way, Kennedy was asking the same thing, wasn't he?



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I don't understand hwat he said that was so bad. Agree or disagree, how is this any different than any other political bickering?
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    Originally posted by Stilton
    Or an Iraqi.


Was that intended to be funny?


    Originally posted by stilton
    Is the current administration really so blameless? They've been doing a fantastic job in the media of passing all the scandals down to rogue underlings and nameless scapegoats.


Seems to me Don Rumsfeld has been doing his best to take the blame.

    Originally posted by Don Rumsfeld
    "I am accountable," Donald Rumsfeld told the Senate Armed Services Committee on Friday at hearings on the Abu Ghraib scandal. "I take full responsibility."


    Originally posted by stilton
    At what point is someone with a brass plack on his door going to accept some responsibility? So far, not one member of Bush's administration has taken the least bit of blame. Not one of them has said, "You know what, this was my area of responsibility, this happened on my watch, I lost control of the situation, I made a bad call, and I have to accept repsonsibility for it." Not one of them has said, "The buck stops here."


Do they not have the news in Canada?

    Originally posted by stilton
    In his own colorful way, Kennedy was asking the same thing, wasn't he?


If comparing the acts of, yes, rogue soldiers to the systemic rapes and abuses of a dictator is "colorful," then, sure.



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    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    Just goes to show what kind of people Massachusetts voters will put in office.

    Hard to believe he is from the same gene pool as JFK and RFK.









Well, Tedward did have one sister who was lobotomized, so he does fit in well with that portion of the family.



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    Originally posted by PalpatineW
      Originally posted by Stilton
      Or an Iraqi.


    Was that intended to be funny?


No, it wasn't. I have to admit, life looks pretty hard over there these days. I don't think it's funny at all.

    Originally posted by PalpatineW



      Originally posted by stilton
      Is the current administration really so blameless? They've been doing a fantastic job in the media of passing all the scandals down to rogue underlings and nameless scapegoats.


    Seems to me Don Rumsfeld has been doing his best to take the blame.

      Originally posted by Don Rumsfeld
      "I am accountable," Donald Rumsfeld told the Senate Armed Services Committee on Friday at hearings on the Abu Ghraib scandal. "I take full responsibility."


    Okay, I retract my statement, but only partially. In his words, yes, he did accept responsibility. What about his deeds? Exactly 'how' did he accept this responsibility? By getting a pat on the back from old W for a job well done? When he kept information about the prison abuse in desk drawer for months, without doing anything about it, how exactly is that being responsible and doing a job well done?



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Oh for fucks sake, he came out and said HE WAS RESPONSIBLE. Now, what is he supposed to do?

A handful of prisoners get mistreated (and that was very, very wrong) and some people think EVERYBODY in the government should just resign or something.

Tens of Thousands, if not HUNDREDS of thousands of children raped by priests from the Catholic Church, (who covered it up, and NOBODY came out and said it was thier responsibility) yet nobody here is clamoring for the Pope's head.





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Well that's an easy one. You can just stop going to Catholic Church. Lots of people already have. I don't think the IRS will let me skip paying my taxes just because I don't agree with our current foreign policy.

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Ona a somewhat related note, there are some questions about Sy Hersh's accuracy in reporting for the New Yorker.

I would feel more confident about all of this stuff being true if it were not coming from only Hersh.



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    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    He is, but I only live here, not from here, and didnt and wouldnt vote for him. Remember, he lost the governers race to a dead man, so it isnt like people here really LIKE him.


Actually, it was a race for the U.S. Senate.



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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.62
    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    Oh for fucks sake, he came out and said HE WAS RESPONSIBLE. Now, what is he supposed to do?

    A handful of prisoners get mistreated (and that was very, very wrong) and some people think EVERYBODY in the government should just resign or something.

    Tens of Thousands, if not HUNDREDS of thousands of children raped by priests from the Catholic Church, (who covered it up, and NOBODY came out and said it was thier responsibility) yet nobody here is clamoring for the Pope's head.




Well surely it takes more to accept responsibility than merely saying the words "I accept responsibility". When you have actual responsibilities and you screw up, there are usually some sort of consequences for your actions. Otherwise, what have you really done to accept responsibility? Isn't just saying words pretty darn easy if that's all there is to it?

Though I must admit, Rumsfield is not the only one to "accept responsibility" by merely saying "I accept responsibility" (actually, it seems quite popular these days). And it make me roll my eyes everytime I see an instance of this fake responsibility taking.

(As far as the Pope goes, for one it's irrelvant to this. For another, somebody merely stepping forward to say it's their responsibility doesn't change anything. It's an empty act. And finally, perhaps somebody SHOULD call for the Pope's head. Certainly some heads should roll there as well, which doesn't appear to be happening)

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I know it's off topic, but...

    Originally posted by PalpatineW

    Do they not have the news in Canada?



Yeah, we have news - MORE sources than most of the USA, actually, if you could believe THAT. We just don't receive the propaganda from Fox "News" Channel (One of the better things about moving back here from the USA, actually)

AND, there's this crazy thing called the Internet, which makes it pretty easy to keep up on the news, particularly the American news, from almost ANYWHERE in the WHOLE WORLD!

Crazy stuff, that.




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This quote is interesting:

This is all hate speech, pure and simple, coming from a man whose own moral compass has time and again been notoriously skewed.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't speech, even hate speech, protected in the United States by the first amendment? Not trolling, just wondering is all...



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    Originally posted by StampedeFan23
    This quote is interesting:

    This is all hate speech, pure and simple, coming from a man whose own moral compass has time and again been notoriously skewed.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't speech, even hate speech, protected in the United States by the first amendment? Not trolling, just wondering is all...


Hate speech isn't. There's little that's actually unprotected, but that's in that little bit.



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