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Wow, what a game. The Browns played out of their minds tonight. Still can't believe that Eli threw those interceptions. Even more amazed at the amount of penalties, especially false starts, and that the Browns were able to overcome them like they did. I believe adding in the penalty yards to that one third-quarter drive resulted in a 112 yard drive for a TD. Crazy.

I am concerned that the Browns are going to wear Shaun Rogers out by the end of the season.





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What a blown opportunity for the Giants to prove how strong they are on a week when the Cowboys lose to the Cardinals (+Romo for a month) and the 'Skins to the Rams (the Rams!?). A solid showing on MNF against Cleveland would have solidified them as the team to beat in the NFC.
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djp, your post is making me wonder if the NFC North was just a tad overhyped this year.



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    Originally posted by Psycho Penguin
    djp, your post is making me wonder if the NFC North was just a tad overhyped this year.


Do you mean the East?
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    Originally posted by Psycho Penguin
    djp, your post is making me wonder if the NFC North was just a tad overhyped this year.



I don't remember hearing any hype for the NFC North, especially with Favre gone.



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    Originally posted by Zeruel
      Originally posted by Psycho Penguin
      djp, your post is making me wonder if the NFC North was just a tad overhyped this year.



    I don't remember hearing any hype for the NFC North, especially with Favre gone.


It's obvious he meant East.
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Ladies and gentlemen, the following public service message is brought to you by your friends from D-Generation X, who would like to remind each and every one of you that if you're not down with that, we've got two words for you...

As a fan of an NFC South (the real best division in football once again) team (Tampa Bay) and having a father who is a highly arrogant Giants fan, this result does nothing but warm my heart with glee. :-)



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    Originally posted by Texas Kelly
    As a fan of an NFC South (the real best division in football once again)


I have to argue with you there. It's close, but the NFC East is still on top.

Here are the NFL standings, by division, counting only non-divisional games.

NFC East: 11-4 (0.733)
NFC South: 11-5 (0.688)
AFC East: 9-5 (0.643)
AFC South: 7-4 (0.636)

NFC North: 5-10 (0.333)
AFC West: 4-8 (0.333)
NFC West: 5-11 (0.313)
AFC North: 3-8 (0.273)

So, both Easts and Souths are rocking. The Norths and Wests, not so much.

Also, in the two divisions only head-to-head game, the Skins beat the Saints.

And finally, in case anyone was wondering, the NFC is beating the AFC slightly 11-9 (0.550)





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Oops, I definitely meant the East. Sorry, lack of sleep and all.

Saying the East is better than the South because the teams have a combined slightly better record is not a very good way of determining that.



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    Originally posted by Psycho Penguin
    Oops, I definitely meant the East. Sorry, lack of sleep and all.

    Saying the East is better than the South because the teams have a combined slightly better record is not a very good way of determining that.


    Originally posted by Psycho Penguin

    Which proves your system sucks, since 2-3 is worse than 3-2...


You seem to think record is a great way of determining that. By your own logic, 11-5 is worse than 11-4, so therefore the 11-4 is better.



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You convinently left out the part where the 3-2 team had just beaten the 2-3 team.



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And you conveniently ignored the part where I said that the East team beat the South team in the division's only head-to-head meeting to date.

We'll just have to agree to disagree about this because I see it going in circles.



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    Originally posted by Zeruel
    And you conveniently ignored the part where I said that the East team beat the South team in the division's only head-to-head meeting to date.

    We'll just have to agree to disagree about this because I see it going in circles.


I think there's a pretty obvious difference between a single team from a four-team pool beating another single team from a separate four-team pool and one team from a one-team pool beating another team from a separate one-team pool.
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So, if the record of the division being better than another isn't good enough to prove that they are better, nor a win of one team over the other in the division is good enough, then what is good enough criteria to show it?

I feel that the NFC East is still the best division, despite the hiccups by 3 of the 4 teams this weekend, but I have numbers to back that up. Other than emotion, what makes you think that the South is now the "real best division in football once again."



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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.57
    Originally posted by Zeruel
    I feel that the NFC East is still the best division, despite the hiccups by 3 of the 4 teams this weekend, but I have numbers to back that up. Other than emotion, what makes you think that the South is now the "real best division in football once again."


I didn't make that argument, but I'd say it's something that is incapable of being proven by statistics at this point in the season. It's a judgment that can only be made by what I think you're calling emotion. And I don't think one extra loss with the same number of wins shows any real separation between the two.

I have seen only one game this season involving a team in these divisions - that being New York's loss this weekend. So I'm not in a position to offer an opinion on the superior division. I'm just saying the evidence you've offered - a half-game better record and one single game in an eight-team pool (a 29-24 win for the home team) - doesn't do a lot to convince me of anything. If it's strictly from watching the teams play, OK, but the numbers say the two divisions are pretty close one-third of the way through the season.

There are 16 possible matchups between teams in these divisions, and we've seen one of them. No way is that a significant enough sample. There is only one possible matchup between Michigan and Illinois, and we've seen it.

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    Originally posted by TheBucsFan
    There are 16 possible matchups between teams in these divisions, and we've seen one of them. No way is that a significant enough sample. There is only one possible matchup between Michigan and Illinois, and we've seen it.


There are four possible matchups between South and East (1st vs. 1st, 2nd vs. 2nd, etc.).



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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.57
    Originally posted by hansen9j
      Originally posted by TheBucsFan
      There are 16 possible matchups between teams in these divisions, and we've seen one of them. No way is that a significant enough sample. There is only one possible matchup between Michigan and Illinois, and we've seen it.


    There are four possible matchups between South and East (1st vs. 1st, 2nd vs. 2nd, etc.).


No, when you're discussing which division is better, and using head-to-head as a criteria, there are 16 to consider. What the NFL rules make an option is irrelevant to this discussion.
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    Originally posted by TheBucsFan
      Originally posted by hansen9j
        Originally posted by TheBucsFan
        There are 16 possible matchups between teams in these divisions, and we've seen one of them. No way is that a significant enough sample. There is only one possible matchup between Michigan and Illinois, and we've seen it.


      There are four possible matchups between South and East (1st vs. 1st, 2nd vs. 2nd, etc.).


    No, when you're discussing which division is better, and using head-to-head as a criteria, there are 16 to consider. What the NFL rules make an option is irrelevant to this discussion.


So, if the NFC East wins all four scheduled games against the NFC South this year, that proves nothing because there were 12 other "possible" games?



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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.57
    Originally posted by hansen9j
      Originally posted by TheBucsFan
        Originally posted by hansen9j
          Originally posted by TheBucsFan
          There are 16 possible matchups between teams in these divisions, and we've seen one of them. No way is that a significant enough sample. There is only one possible matchup between Michigan and Illinois, and we've seen it.


        There are four possible matchups between South and East (1st vs. 1st, 2nd vs. 2nd, etc.).


      No, when you're discussing which division is better, and using head-to-head as a criteria, there are 16 to consider. What the NFL rules make an option is irrelevant to this discussion.


    So, if the NFC East wins all four scheduled games against the NFC South this year, that proves nothing because there were 12 other "possible" games?


No, it would be much more meaningful. 25 percent of possible games is a hell of a lot more than the 6 percent or whatever it is we've seen to date.

You're comparing a scenario that has seen two of the eight teams involved - what we've seen so far - with a scenario that will see all eight teams involved - what we will have by the end of the year. Of course the latter is infinitely more useful in determining which group of four teams is better.

I just want to make sure I understand your position here: You are saying one division having a half-game-better record overall one-third of the way through the season and the home team winning by five points in the only matchup involving these two four-division teams is enough evidence to conclude that one division is better than the other?

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