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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.91
It looks as though the first trade of the day was Jarrod Washburn to the Tigers (mynorthwest.com) for LHPs Luke French and Mauricio Robles. The strongest rumblings had pegged Washburn to go to the Yanks, but it wasn't to be. Maybe I am missing something, but I didn't expect the M's to deal him after getting Wilson/Snell from Pittsburgh.

Other deals from the last day or two:
- Cubs acquire John Grabow and Tom Gorzelanny from Pittsburgh
- Dodgers acquire George Sherrill from Baltimore
- Royals acquire Josh Anderson from Detroit
- Giants acquire Freddy Sanchez from Pittsburgh
- Mariners acquire Jack Wilson and Ian Snell from Pittsburgh

Any thoughts on Halladay, Adrian Gonzalez, Heath Bell, or Victor Martinez?
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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
Wilson and Snell will be around in 2010. Washburn wasn't going to be, and had been built up to an absurdly high level by luck and defense this year. He's really not as good as his numbers are; he's the same guy who they couldn't have gotten 10cents on the dollar last year. If you're going to get ahead by buying low and selling high, you've got to sell high sometimes.

Don't think Halladay or Gonzalez is going anywhere, they're both too valuable and too unlikely to get a fair price. Bell & Martinez seem much more likely.



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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.91
While Toronto would be hard pressed to get what a pitcher like Halladay is worth, I'd think that they would get more for him now than they would in the offseason or next season, using the logic that a team acquiring him would have him for the rest of this season and next season, instead of just next season or the end of next season.

Not exactly earth-shattering, but Oakland just sent Orlando Cabrera to Minnesota (sfgate.com).

Just confirmed, Victor Martinez (fannation.com) to Boston for Nick Hagadone and Justin Masterson. Do they have to deal LaRoche now?

(edited by jfkfc on 31.7.09 1502)
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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.25
    Originally posted by jfkfc
    Do they have to deal LaRoche now?

Apparently so. Both Braves and Red Sox sites are reporting that Adam LaRoche is being sent (back) to Atlanta for Casey Kotchmann.



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The White Sox finally landed Peavy...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090731/ap_on_sp_ba_ne/bbo_padres_white_sox_trade_1




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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.56
Cincy gets Scott Rolen, deals Edwin 'E5' Encarnacion/Josh Roenicke/Zach Stewart to Toronto.

Wait, the Reds still think they're in a race?

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AggJBtjg1dvb3Jrgv7TLN7URvLYF?slug=ap-bluejays-redstrade&prov=ap&type=lgns



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You wanted the best, you got... Out of Context Quote of the Week.

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That, or they've just joined the NBA and have an expiring contract to wave around.



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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.78
Congrats to the Red Sox for adding Victor Martinez. You're well on your way to sweeping the Angels (who did NOTHING!!!) again in the first round.




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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.03
Apparently the whole Rolen trade is a favor to Rolen himself, who wanted to be closer to his family. So say the Mets announcers, anyway.
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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.75
    Originally posted by Peter The Hegemon
    Apparently the whole Rolen trade is a favor to Rolen himself, who wanted to be closer to his family. So say the Mets announcers, anyway.








Still doesn't explain why the Reds would make the trade, unless Dusty thinks that it will be an extremely hot August and September, and thus Dusty will be at his mental peak to guide the Reds to a near unbeaten record. At that point, Rolen's bat would make sense.

(edited by redsoxnation on 1.8.09 0707)
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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.74
Great article by Jay Mariotti-


Selig Must Investigate 'Quittsburgh' Mess

http://jay-mariotti.fanhouse.com/2009/08/02/selig-must-investigate-quittsburgh-mess/





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    Originally posted by Kevintripod
    Great article by Jay Mariotti-


These words should never go together, unless the text of the article is "I quit" or is in fact his suicide note.

Pittsburgh wasn't going to finish anywhere higher than fifth in that division with those guys so why not dump off now and try to totally rebuild, instead of doing it half-assed by moving a couple guys but keeping a few around to keep up appearances? You can quibble with whether they got adequate return in any single trade, but the idea as a whole is fine, and Mariotti is just being his typical whining uninformed clueless bleating hopeless windsock self.

http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news_columnists_ezorn/2005/10/jay_mariottis_y.html

Best column ever about Mariotti, tracking through his own quotes how his opinion changes on a daily basis.



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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.91
    Originally posted by spf
    Pittsburgh wasn't going to finish anywhere higher than fifth in that division with those guys so why not dump off now and try to totally rebuild, instead of doing it half-assed by moving a couple guys but keeping a few around to keep up appearances?
Here's an article with a good, honest quote (pittsburghlive.com) by Pittsburgh GM Neil Huntington:
    Originally posted by Neil Huntington
    "We are making these difficult and unpopular decisions because we are trying to create a winner," said General Manager Neal Huntington. "We don't feel like we've broken up the 1927 Yankees."
Hmmm....Pearce/McCutchen vs. Gehrig/Ruth. Well, it's close, anyway!
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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.20
Here's the big trade that *thankfully* didn't happen ... Click Here (seattletimes.nwsource.com)

The M's have to at least try and lock up King Felix before they explore other options even if it is pricey. At least they know there is a very large market for him if things fall through.



(edited by BigDaddyLoco on 4.8.09 1556)
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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.31


Is the investigation about why they didn't do this sooner?
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Sorry, but I'm not a Bob Nutting fan. In my eyes he cares nothing about winning. He just uses the Pirates to line his pockets with money.

I wouldn't have a problem with this player dumping one bit if I knew that we had an owner that would eventually sign good players that developed from these trades (if there will be any). I don't care what anyone says, Nutting will never extend the Pirates payroll beyond $50M, even if they are able to develop a batch of good players. His policy of making himself at least a $15M to $20M profit each season comes before anything. Now I know he owns the team and he can do whatever he wants with it and it's his right blah blah blah, but it doesn't mean I have to like it. I want an owner that either breaks even at the end of the season, or puts whatever profit he makes back into the team. Nutting does neither.

Ok, I'm done ranting. It's just that I love the Pirates and I'm just sick of seeing the same "5 year plan" scenario play out over and over again.





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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.20
The White Sox are on crack and just claimed Alex Rios and his off the wall contract off waivers Click Here (sports.espn.go.com) Maybe, Rios rebounds ... sure he's young, but I don't risk this kind of money on that kind of gamble.

{ EDIT: Sorry 'bout that - CRZ }

(edited by CRZ on 10.8.09 2030)
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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.74
I think it is a good move for the White Sox. Don't give up any players, and they are going to have salary coming off in the off-season in Dye and Thome. Change of scenery and playing in games that matter might help Rios. If not, it can just be viewed in the same manner as a bad free agent signing, and even then you would lose a draft pick in the process.
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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.63
I think Kenny Williams has done a pretty darn good job for the White Sox over the years, so I'm not going to dismiss the move out of hand. You'd think with that contract on a team 'selling', there must have been a discussion with the Chairman over taking on this sort of a contract.

What it does for the team? Word on the street is that Rios will effectively take Jermaine Dye's starting spot next year, so I think you evaluate it from that point of view:

Money: 5 remaining years at $59 million? I would think with the economy, you could have had Dye (or a suitable OF replacement) at $12 mil per season. And Dye wouldn't have needed 5 years.

Batting: Closer than I would have expected before looking... aside from his one MVP-caliber '06 season, Dye is a long ball threat with an OPS in the mid 800's. Rios' '06 and '07 seasons were right in that range. The rub is that he's fallen off the last two years.

Fielding: Rios is said to be a good fielder - not outstanding, but I think clearly an upgrade.

Other: Rios also brings speed and a stolen base threat to the lineup that the Sox have been missing - provided his stroke comes back. Dye would also be 36 starting a new contract next year, and if we are really in a post-steroid era you may start seeing performance dropping off quicker again.

My only criticism is that I don't see this as a game-changer for the team this year, and wouldn't you be able to make a deal for Rios in the off-season? It's a pretty big gamble when you could have taken that $60 million into next winter and the free agent market. But I imagine Williams has had his eye on Rios for some time now, and saw a chance to get him without giving up any prospects.



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Any deal you make for Rios in the offseason would have involved giving up talent. Most of the talent left the Sox have worth giving up is being penciled in for the next 2 seasons.

The Sox have a TON of money coming free the next two years, and a lot of young players they will not have to pay much to.

Rios will almost certainly be in CF, if not this season then after this season. Right now I would think the Sox are projecting for 2010 to be something like:

1B - Konerko
2B - Getz/Nix/?
SS - Ramirez
3B - Beckham
RF - Quentin
CF - Rios
LF - Podsednik/Jordan Danks/FA pickup
C- Pierzynski
DH - Dye

I look at it this way, Rios at his best is worth his contract. Even at this year's production, if he provides it from CF he is overpaid but not horrifically so. He solidifies a position that has been ugly since 2005. The Sox have/had the flexibility to take on obligations going forward with all the deals coming off in the next two seasons (Dye, Thome, Konerko, Contreras, Dotel, Pierzynski) so that even now they are still only on the hook for $60 million or so in 2011. To get someone with the ability of Rios for nothing but money is hard to pass up.



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