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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.56
    Originally posted by TheBucsFan
    Also, as has been pointed out, way more viewers reside on the East Coast, so seeing as how some viewers are going to have to "just deal with it" no matter what, it makes more sense for those viewers to be on the West Coast.


Unless, as I CLEARLY stated later in my whole four sentence post (okay, five sentences, as one was a bit of a run-on), it's a west coast or a bi-coastal series.

Was I vague? Did you... uh... READ the rest of my post? Was that an unreasonable compromise?




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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.17
    Originally posted by Leroy
      Originally posted by TheBucsFan
      Also, as has been pointed out, way more viewers reside on the East Coast, so seeing as how some viewers are going to have to "just deal with it" no matter what, it makes more sense for those viewers to be on the West Coast.


    Unless, as I CLEARLY stated later in my whole four sentence post (okay, five sentences, as one was a bit of a run-on), it's a west coast or a bi-coastal series.

    Was I vague? Did you... uh... READ the rest of my post? Was that an unreasonable compromise?


You really expect the networks and Major League Baseball to wait until after the playoffs, when the World Series participants have been determined, to set times for World Series games? Yes, that is unreasonable.
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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.36
Personally, I don't think there's a major problem here in desperate need of fixing. Baseball has been playing its World Series games at night since the Ford Administration. If doing so was going to create a negative effect on future generations of fans we would have seen that decline by now; but the reality is that the opposite is true, as the average attendance at a MLB game is higher now than it has ever been, and that's with people paying much, much more for their seats than their parents and grandparents did.

However, just because something isn't in a crisis doesn't mean that it can't be improved. While well meaning, moving the starting times up does nothing to correct what's truly wrong. IMHO the proper solution to World Series games ending too late is to leave the starting times alone, and just cut back on the length of the commercial breaks between half innings and pitching changes.




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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.56
    Originally posted by TheBucsFan
    You really expect the networks and Major League Baseball to wait until after the playoffs, when the World Series participants have been determined, to set times for World Series games?


No, I expect a set of reasonable scenarios for the whopping four time zones (or three, if you want to merge Pacific and Mountain) that could possibly be involved in the series, especially if major markets like L.A. could be involved.

The point you continually miss is fact that there are west coast cities that are fairly large and with very loyal fan bases who will want to watch the full game.


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I didn't realize it was considered a personality flaw to want to watch sports live, and only live.

Taped sports matches have always seemed pointless to me. Part of the draw of sports is that you don't know the outcome prior to watching the event.

The best bet would be to hold the first game until the first Saturday after the last round, so you could get two weekend games at a reasonable time, and then games 3 and 4 would be mid week, with Friday and Saturday for the 5 and 6 games. I don't recall if it is 2 3 2 still though.

You could add additional days off in the series but that changes the pitching dynamics. You could get a potential 4 weekend games if you did that if the viewership was really important.

By the way, you could just record the game and watch it the next day. See how unappealing that sounds?




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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.50
I'm saying it sounds like a crappy suggestion no matter which side you are on.

//edit: And you can only DVR it 30 minutes later. Anyone taping it has to wait until the next day, unless VHS has changed radically.

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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.51
This passive-aggressive stuff really needs to stop, Bucs.

    Originally posted by TheBucsFan
    You really expect the networks and Major League Baseball to wait until after the playoffs, when the World Series participants have been determined, to set times for World Series games? Yes, that is unreasonable.
...except, in sports where the championship series isn't played at a neutral site, this is exactly what they do...otherwise, you'd see NBA Finals and Stanley Cup schedules from me a lot earlier.
    Originally posted by Downtown Bookie
    IMHO the proper solution to World Series games ending too late is to leave the starting times alone, and just cut back on the length of the commercial breaks between half innings and pitching changes.
Hahahahahahaha - you crazy idealist. FOX would interrupt ads for more ads, if they could. They overpay rights fees up the ying yang and then complain that they're not making any profit on their sports broadcasts. Boooooo hoo!



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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.36
    Originally posted by CRZ
      Originally posted by Downtown Bookie
      IMHO the proper solution to World Series games ending too late is to leave the starting times alone, and just cut back on the length of the commercial breaks between half innings and pitching changes.
    Hahahahahahaha - you crazy idealist. FOX would interrupt ads for more ads, if they could. They overpay rights fees up the ying yang and then complain that they're not making any profit on their sports broadcasts. Boooooo hoo!
Indeed; but all FOX (with an assist from MLB) has accomplished with this strategy is create a glut of available advertising space, thus devaluing the worth of any individual commercial spot, and ultimately providing a zero sum gain to their bottom line. Reducing the amount of available commercial spots really isn't crazy idealism; just sound economics. Lessening the supply while demand stays constant allows for a price increase in the sale of any individual unit; note gasoline prices for Exhibit A. Or, for that matter, look no further than baseball itself. The two New York teams have each opened new ballparks this season with smaller seating capacities than their previous home fields. You can even go back much further, when Walter O'Malley designed Dodger Stadium so that it would only hold approximately half the number of spectators that the L.A. Coliseum did. The teams realized that by reducing the amount of available seats they could increase the amount charged for each individual ticket, thus ultimately increasing their profit margins. All this presumes, of course, that demand stays constant; but if the prior posts in this thread are to be believed, demand should actually increase, as shortening the length of the games will lead to an increase in the number of viewers, thus making advertising during the event more desirable. So the concept of increasing the bottom line by decreasing the amount of ad time to sell does have sound economic principles behind it.



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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.18
    Originally posted by CRZ
    ...except, in sports where the championship series isn't played at a neutral site, this is exactly what they do...otherwise, you'd see NBA Finals and Stanley Cup schedules from me a lot earlier.


So tell me then why they haven't done it for the World Series? And what makes it likely that they all of a sudden will?

Also, whatever system the NBA uses isn't perfect either. Type "NBA Finals start times" (without quotes) into Google and you'll get stories from as recently as last season with the same complaints - east coast viewers say the games are going too late for them and their children to stay up and watch the end. Here is the beginning of one such story, though it's archived by the Boston Herald so I can't read the whole thing.

And here is a site listing starting times for this year's NBA finals, even though we don't yet know the participants. If this site is wrong, you'd know better than me, but it contradicts what you're saying.

And according to THIS blog, no NBA Finals game has started before 9 pm ET since 2003.

Besides, what do the NBA or NHL have to do with this discussion? If you begin by making the assumption that the networks won't wait till the last possible second to set the times (which I do), it becomes a simple question: Is it harder on West Coast viewers potentially missing the beginning of the game, or East Coast viewers potentially missing the end? The answer is a no-brainer to me.

EDIT: I would like to add, I agree that the ideal solution is to make the games themselves take less time. But that's not going to happen.

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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.56
    Originally posted by TheBucsFan
    Also, whatever system the NBA uses isn't perfect either. Type "NBA Finals start times" (without quotes) into Google and you'll get stories from as recently as last season with the same complaints - east coast viewers say the games are going too late for them and their children to stay up and watch the end.Here is the beginning of one such story, though it's archived by the Boston Herald so I can't read the whole thing.


Your link didn't work for me, but here's a link that does work:

Yawning at tip-off? Don't expect earlier starts


    On balance, the major sports leagues and their television partners have determined that later games increase viewership. So don't expect to see afternoon, or early evening, start times in any major sport anytime soon.

    "The start time is 9:07 to maximize the opportunity for fans, both East Coast and West Coast, to watch the games," said Mike Bass, the NBA's senior VP of marketing communications.

    Sometimes fans and media in the major Eastern cities take a parochial view of this subject, forgetting anyone else exists. Close to 50 percent of the viewing population lives in the Eastern time zone, but that number has been shrinking, and is expected to shrink further.

    "About 20 percent of the country is on the West Coast," Pilson said. "There, starting a sports event at 5 in the afternoon is near-death. Everyone is stuck on the freeway somewhere."


So, if the MLB does, in fact, go ahead with this 5pm start time, it will be very interesting to see how the ratings pan out. Frankly, I think a good portion of this is the MLB overreacting to the ratings of last years WS, which was the one match-up that held the least interest for anyone outside of those two markets (and diehard fans).

If there is a west coast team in the World Series this year, I think the 5pm start time will backfire greatly. Starting a game at 5pm means most of the L.A. market will miss the first 45 minutes of the game (if not more), which is over 25% of an average MLB game. If a game runs shorter, then it's even more. It makes ZERO sense to not accommodate major markets like SF and L.A. should those teams be involved.




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