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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.84
Your 2005 MLB rookies of the year are Huston Street of the A's and Ryan Howard of the Phillies.

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God willing, this makes Howard even more difficult for the Phillies to get rid of. After a slow start early in the season, he did a great job of filling in for Jim Thome, and my biased opinion is that he deserved the award. Howard was first in voting, Willy Tavaras was second, and Jeff Francouer came in third.

I must say, I'm pretty ignorant of Street, who came in first over Robinson Cano and Jonny Gomes.
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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.00
Tough call for the AL Rookie of the Year, because Gomes had a pretty damn good year for a rookie, but Street's presence in the Oakland bullpen really kept them in contention for much of the year. I'd say the right call was made, even if I think Iguchi should've been in at the very least the top 3. He wasn't the best defensively, but was a decent clutch player.

Forget about Cano. He had a hot, hot July, but was absolute crap defensively and made really costly (and foolish) errors. Understandable considering he's just a kid, but compared to the other three, he's not even close in my opinion. I get the feeling he got a lot of votes simply because he was on the Yankees. And yes, that's coming from another Yankee fan.


As far as the NL goes: yes, Howard stepped in and filled a big gap for Thome, but Taveras is much more valuable both in his position in the field and as a hitter. I probably would've voted for the latter rather than the former.

(edited by Deputy Marshall on 7.11.05 1505)


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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.57
    Originally posted by Deputy Marshall
    Tough call for the AL Rookie of the Year, because Gomes had a pretty damn good year for a rookie, but Street's presence in the Oakland bullpen really kept them in contention for much of the year. I'd say the right call was made, even if I think Iguchi should've been in at the very least the top 3. He wasn't the best defensively, but was a decent clutch player


Actually, Iguchi was a major piece of the defensive puzzle for the White Sox this year. And his work in the #2 was huge, sacrificing his stats to keep the offense moving. Oh well, he has a World Series ring to look at, something none of them have, so I'm sure he's not too depressed over this vote. I do find it kind of funny though that a team that went wire-to-wire with the best record in the AL and went 11-1 through the playoffs will likely win:

-no Gold Gloves
-no Silver Sluggers
-no players on the ALL-MLB postsason teams
-no Rookie of the Year
-no one in Cy Young Top 3 (likely voting Colon, Rivera, Halladay)
-no MVP
-possibly not Manager of the Year (wouldn't surprise me to see Wedge get it)





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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.28
    Originally posted by Roy.
    Howard was first in voting, Willy Tavaras was second, and Jeff Francouer came in third.


Hard for me to understand this voting. Francouer carried the Braves at times this season. Howard's a good player in an easy position. Francouer is in the most difficult outfield position. Now Willy plays center, no joy in Minute Maid and he did play a whole season.

I would have ranked Howard third of those three.



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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.39
    Originally posted by spf
    Actually, Iguchi was a major piece of the defensive puzzle for the White Sox this year. And his work in the #2 was huge, sacrificing his stats to keep the offense moving. Oh well, he has a World Series ring to look at, something none of them have, so I'm sure he's not too depressed over this vote. I do find it kind of funny though that a team that went wire-to-wire with the best record in the AL and went 11-1 through the playoffs will likely win:

    -no Gold Gloves
    -no Silver Sluggers
    -no players on the ALL-MLB postsason teams
    -no Rookie of the Year
    -no one in Cy Young Top 3 (likely voting Colon, Rivera, Halladay)
    -no MVP
    -possibly not Manager of the Year (wouldn't surprise me to see Wedge get it)



I'm not aruging with you, but I think you've just defined WHY the Sox won - they had one heck of a TEAM. No stars, a team.

That's supposed to be a compliment in this, the era of Leon.



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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.00
    Originally posted by spf
    no one in Cy Young Top 3 (likely voting Colon, Rivera, Halladay)


Oh, so close. If you'd have put Santana in place of Halladay, you'd have been right on the money (sports.espn.go.com).

Clearly, these people have no clue what they're talking about here. Santana should have won this easily. All he did was finish first in strikeouts, WHIP, BAA, and second in IP and ERA. But since Colon had 21 wins to his 16, he gets the award. Ok then.

And Cliff Lee finishes fourth because he had eighteen wins while the AL ERA leader is left off of 27 out of 28 ballots presumably because he had a 9-11 record. I usually put a lot of weight on wins, but I think this might be taking things too far in that regard.

(edited by BigSteve on 8.11.05 2039)
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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.85
Gustavo Chacin should've finished a lot higher than fifth in the AL ROY voting. The guy was the most solid pitcher (after Halladay went down) on a questionable team and has a lot more long-term potential than a guy like Gomes, who wasn't even a full-time starter until August.

Mark my words, if Halladay hadn't been hurt, there wouldn't be ANY dispute over who the Cy was.



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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.14
    Originally posted by AWArulz

    Hard for me to understand this voting. Francouer carried the Braves at times this season. Howard's a good player in an easy position. Francouer is in the most difficult outfield position. Now Willy plays center, no joy in Minute Maid and he did play a whole season.

    I would have ranked Howard third of those three.


Francouer's last 6 - 8 weeks cost him. He hit the wall big time. Taveras played all season, but wasn't really spectacular (stat wise). Howard filled in for a modern legend of the game and made people go "WOW!" at the end of the season.

Big time performances, that were fresh in the judges' minds, won it for Howard I would say.
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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00

    Howard filled in for a modern legend of the game


"Modern legend of the game" is a stretch for a guy who's going to spend a lot of years on the wrong side of the HOF ballot.


AVG OBP SLG PA
NL 262 327 414

A 300 336 549 274
B 291 325 341 635
C 286 356 567 348


Player C (Howard) is a 20% better hitter with 20% more plate appearances. That's a lot to have to make up, and I don't you can do do that at a corner outfield spot, though I admit the big assist number is impressive. (It's just tough to put it in context.)

Taveras adds more in steals and defense, but he had a below average bat. He wouldn't be in this discussion at all if he was on Philly (and not in the playoffs) and Howard was in Houston.

As bad as Chacin got ripped off in the AL, Zach Duke got ripped off in the NL. But, it's MLB awards - everyone besides the winner and the closer runner ups stop caring three days later.



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