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http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/02/mlb-makes-the-expanded-playoffs-official-for-2012/ Not at all crazy about the extra wild card, as it makes the wild card less special and it means last years wild finish and how great game 162 was last year wouldn't mean anything this year. I also think it's unfair how this year the division winners will be punished by starting the playoffs on the road because of logistics. It will give my team a better chance of making the playoffs in the next few years, but I still don't like it. Also with the second wild card, the Yankees will never miss the playoffs in our lifetimes.
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Seriously? As shitty an idea as this is, and you have to make it about the Yankees?

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    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    Seriously? As shitty an idea as this is, and you have to make it about the Yankees?


Seriously you gotta make it about one sentence? Geez. Go start a thread on how wins are the only way you can measure a pitcher and how dumb sabermetrics is.

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People complain about the Yankees, but the reality is there's a lot more teams with spending power these days (Red Sox, Phillies, Rangers, Angels, Tigers). If anything, people should complain about the ENTIRE AL EAST.

Yankees, who have money AND a killer scouting staff, with a hella smart GM.

Red Sox who have money and other resources.

Tampa Bay, who have one of the best run organizations in professional sports.

Toronto, who'd be in first place in any other division.


Also; one game playoff - whats the big deal? it's only one game. I vote in favor of this.


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    Originally posted by graves9
      Originally posted by StaggerLee
      Seriously? As shitty an idea as this is, and you have to make it about the Yankees?


    Seriously you gotta make it about one sentence? Geez. Go start a thread on how wins are the only way you can measure a pitcher and how dumb sabermetrics is.

    (edited by graves9 on 2.3.12 1815)


Sabermetrics, while useful to review statistics, is about as helpful in putting teams together as the NFL Combine is at building Super Bowl winners.

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    Originally posted by StaggerLee
      Originally posted by graves9
        Originally posted by StaggerLee
        Seriously? As shitty an idea as this is, and you have to make it about the Yankees?


      Seriously you gotta make it about one sentence? Geez. Go start a thread on how wins are the only way you can measure a pitcher and how dumb sabermetrics is.

      (edited by graves9 on 2.3.12 1815)


    Sabermetrics, while useful to review statistics, is about as helpful in putting teams together as the NFL Combine is at building Super Bowl winners.




Tampa Bay and the Red Sox both employ advanced stats and whatnot, they've done well for themselves the last decade.

I'd like to see what stats and other items you would use to build a team.
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Yeah, I remember seeing that photo of Joe Madden and Billy Bean comparing world series rings.

I'd build a team through the minor league systems and through targeted free agent deals and/or trades. Rely on your scouts to pick players who show on the field they can play.


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    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    Yeah, I remember seeing that photo of Joe Madden and Billy Bean comparing world series rings.

    I'd build a team through the minor league systems and through targeted free agent deals and/or trades. Rely on your scouts to pick players who show on the field they can play.



Scouts don't look at the full picture though, and that's why you need stats and especially advanced stats. Scouts miss on players plenty. The Red Sox followed the A's model, the difference is they did it with a lot more money. What the Rays have done has been really, really impressive, as they are at a disadvantage being in the same division as two teams that spend money like crazy, and yet they still find a way to make the playoffs. I would take the Rays front office over any in any sport.
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The Rays DO have a wonderful front office, and I think they'd be even better if they were able to spend some coin like the bigger market teams. It's just tiring as a Yankees fan, who suffered through the 80s and early 90s of "spend all the cash and buy a title" mentality that George brought to the table, seeing people complain about the Yanks buying wins. It's not that easy, and plenty of teams CAN and do spend nearly as much as they do, with nowhere near the result.


BUT, back to the main point, this indeed cheapens the Wild Card, and makes it even easier for a lesser team to get into the playoffs.

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As a fan of fairness and as a fan of a meaningful regular season, I'm not a fan of expanded playoffs in theory. As a fan of the Toronto Blue Jays, however, I am 1000 PERCENT ON BOARD with expanded playoffs.

What I'd be more interested in for 2013, however, is a balanced schedule. It's silly to play 72 games against just four teams, and I'm not saying that just because the Jays have it rough in the AL East.


    The Rays DO have a wonderful front office, and I think they'd be even better if they were able to spend some coin like the bigger market teams. It's just tiring as a Yankees fan, who suffered through the 80s and early 90s of "spend all the cash and buy a title" mentality that George brought to the table, seeing people complain about the Yanks buying wins.


I agree that Yankee spending is only part of the reason for their success over the last 15+ years. The real reason is that they came upon Jeter, Posada and Rivera all at the same time, thus filling two of the hardest-to-fill positions on the field with HOF-caliber production and filling a traditionally inconsistent position with the best closer of all time. Combine that with filling another hard-to-fill position (CF) with Bernie Williams and now Granderson, and all of the heavy lifting has really been done.

In Tampa Bay's case, though, they really can't spend much of anything since a) their attendance sucks and b) their stadium isn't even in Tampa Bay and is apparently in a really inconvenient part of the greater TB-St. Pete's area. They legitimately have a case that they need a new ballpark to survive and if they can't get it, they should probably move. Same with the Athletics.

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How much are teams paid in luxury taxes?
I mean, do individual teams get payments from the league that is generated from other teams paying the tax?



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Stagger, do you know you have 6 posts in this thread already, which now has nothing to do with what the poster was writing about? And it's not even like the original poster said anything explicitly anti-Yankee:


    Also with the second wild card, the Yankees will never miss the playoffs in our lifetimes.


Your team is successful and it got pointed out they were successful and somehow this ended into "sabermetrics suck!". Relax!

Anyway, this thread title is wrong - expanded playoffs were already announced starting out in 2013 previously. We talked about it (and like this, it weirdly turned into a debate about the value of the DH.)

The only news here is MLB decided having a weird layout for the division series was worth squeezing the extra game in this season. I'm not thrilled with that idea, but since most teams seemed to be operating under the impression it'd start this season - I'm calling the Nationals here - it seems more fair than waiting a year.

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    Originally posted by Big Bad
    As a fan of fairness and as a fan of a meaningful regular season, I'm not a fan of expanded playoffs in theory. As a fan of the Toronto Blue Jays, however, I am 1000 PERCENT ON BOARD with expanded playoffs.

    What I'd be more interested in for 2013, however, is a balanced schedule. It's silly to play 72 games against just four teams, and I'm not saying that just because the Jays have it rough in the AL East.


      The Rays DO have a wonderful front office, and I think they'd be even better if they were able to spend some coin like the bigger market teams. It's just tiring as a Yankees fan, who suffered through the 80s and early 90s of "spend all the cash and buy a title" mentality that George brought to the table, seeing people complain about the Yanks buying wins.


    I agree that Yankee spending is only part of the reason for their success over the last 15+ years. The real reason is that they came upon Jeter, Posada and Rivera all at the same time, thus filling two of the hardest-to-fill positions on the field with HOF-caliber production and filling a traditionally inconsistent position with the best closer of all time. Combine that with filling another hard-to-fill position (CF) with Bernie Williams and now Granderson, and all of the heavy lifting has really been done.

    In Tampa Bay's case, though, they really can't spend much of anything since a) their attendance sucks and b) their stadium isn't even in Tampa Bay and is apparently in a really inconvenient part of the greater TB-St. Pete's area. They legitimately have a case that they need a new ballpark to survive and if they can't get it, they should probably move. Same with the Athletics.

    (edited by Big Bad on 2.3.12 1930)




But, is there anyplace for the Rays to move that is realistic? Charlotte? Indianapolis? Unless a team was put into Connecticut or New Jersey, which won't happen with enough teams with territorial claims in the area, not many areas are left that would seem to be viable long term. Have to give Tampa credit though, they have disproved the theory that if you win, they will come.
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