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"Hello, this is the SkyDome hotel....Ok, you want a single room with a king-size bed for the weekend of the 20th, we can certainly accomodate you, sir....What's that?....You want the room where Clemens had a guy inject steroids into his ass?....Uh, I see....Oh, you're a big Rocket fan, are you?....Well, I'm afraid that room is booked for that particular weekend....We do have the Gregg Zaun suite, which comes at a much lower price....Excellent, we'll see you then, sir!"
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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.08
    Originally posted by PeterStork
      Originally posted by wmatistic
      Better to take real steps to getting rid of roids and HGH, especially HGH.

      Probably need to just lock out the players until they agree to blood tests.


    The thing is that most studies seem to indicate that HGH really doesn't do anything to enhance performance. Even the Mitchell Report (pages 9 and 10) calls attention to this fact. Certainly there may be some gain in using HGH along with another proven PED, but there's no evidence of that either. But one cannot assume because of this that an athlete taking HGH is also taking a legit PED because of the widespread belief by athletes, the media and, well, pretty much everyone that HGH in and of itself can help you.

    All the hate against HGH is just speculation. No need to legalize it since it has the ability to damage your body just as bad as steroids, but taking HGH to enhance your performance seems to be as useful as rubbing magnets over your body.

    More from Sabernomics. The studies aren't perfect, but there's more evidence that HGH does nothing for healthy adults than that they do something.

    (edited by PeterStork on 13.12.07 1523)


Actually from that article and what I've read there is great benefit to using HGH as an athelete. No, not for building muscle mass, but it's used more for retaining muscle you already have and helping your body recover. The older you are, the supposedly more helpful it can be as your own secretions of the hormone decrease greatly with age. So it would be very helpful for say an aging pitcher during the second half of a baseball season.

Not to mention its just plain illegal for them to be doing it as they are.

Edit: and this is pure gold:

http://images.jrcinteractive.com/binaries/FSImage/2007/12/13/1197605170784_web_12_14_page_one_EPS_copy.jpg


(edited by wmatistic on 14.12.07 0817)
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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.86
NOOK LOGAN???

Well, eyeing the list explains why the Nationals stink...



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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.48
At least we can still look up to Don Mattingly!

Hehehe, anyways, this list tells me that A-Rod should have held off a little while longer, he'd have made about 20 or 30 Million more seeing as he's about the ONLY player not listed. Geesh!



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Click Here (thesmokinggun.com)

WNBC's Bogus Steroids Scoop

Pujols, Nomar, Varitek on phony Mitchell list published by station

DECEMBER 14--Shortly after ESPN broke the news yesterday that Roger Clemens and Andy Pettitte would be nailed in the Mitchell Report, WNBC-TV, the NBC affiliate in New York, blew the story wide open. "Newschannel 4's Jonathan Dienst has obtained the expected list of current and former major league players linked to steroids, according to George Mitchell's investigation," reported the station's web site at 11:23 AM. The WNBC story then unspooled a list of 75 purported juicers, including Albert Pujols, Johnny Damon, Jason Varitek, Nomar Garciaparra, Ivan Rodriguez, Jeff Bagwell, Milton Bradley, Kerry Wood, Mark Prior, Trot Nixon, Mike Cameron, Brady Anderson, Albert Belle, and Kyle Farnsworth. The WNBC exclusive, which is reprinted below, was posted seven minutes after an identical list of names was published by the sports blog Deadspin, which reported that it had been forwarded the names by "about 25 different people" during the preceding hour. The list, which was whipping around via e-mail, "could very likely be one of those Web urban legends that somehow got around," Deadspin cautioned. WNBC, though, showed no such reserve. The station reported that it had received the list from "two separate sources" (which was still 23 "sources" fewer than Deadspin). But after WNBC posted the list, baseball officials began refuting the story, with the station reporting that Major League Baseball brass said there were "several discrepancies between the list posted and Mitchell's list." As it turned out, it was several dozen "discrepancies," with nearly half the names in WNBC's story not appearing in Mitchell's report. In fact, every name above--from Pujols to Farnsworth--can not be found in the Mitchell Report. The list was eventually yanked from the WNBC web site out of "an abundance of caution," the station reported in an updated story. The station has yet to retract (or apologize for) its original reporting. (1 page)

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"Never trust a blog" is the lesson, I guess

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(edited by RYDER FAKIN on 14.12.07 1811)

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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.19
    Originally posted by RYDER FAKIN
    "Never trust a blog" is the lesson, I guess



Or, "Never put more faith in what a blog is saying than the blog has put."



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I would usually expect this kind of front page from the NY Post







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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.08
    Originally posted by BOSsportsfan34
    I would usually expect this kind of front page from the NY Post




Or from five posts prior...
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    Originally posted by wmatistic
      Originally posted by BOSsportsfan34
      I would usually expect this kind of front page from the NY Post




    Or from five posts prior...


Yup. I should've clicked the link.





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Andy Pettitte has admitted brief HGH use while he was recovering from his '02 elbow injury.


    NEW YORK (AP) -- Andy Pettitte used human growth hormone to recover from an elbow injury in 2002, the New York Yankees pitcher said two days after he was cited in the Mitchell Report.

    Pettitte said he tried HGH on two occasions.

    "If what I did was an error in judgment on my part, I apologize," Pettitte said Saturday in a statement released by his agent. "I accept responsibility for those two days."


Since it doesn't look like he had a prescription, I think it's a safe bet that he'll be among the first suspended by a vengeful Bud Selig.




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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.19
    Originally posted by It's False
    Andy Pettitte has admitted brief HGH use while he was recovering from his '02 elbow injury.


      NEW YORK (AP) -- Andy Pettitte used human growth hormone to recover from an elbow injury in 2002, the New York Yankees pitcher said two days after he was cited in the Mitchell Report.

      Pettitte said he tried HGH on two occasions.

      "If what I did was an error in judgment on my part, I apologize," Pettitte said Saturday in a statement released by his agent. "I accept responsibility for those two days."


    Since it doesn't look like he had a prescription, I think it's a safe bet that he'll be among the first suspended by a vengeful Bud Selig.


A) That's pretty much the pat excuse (note Edge & Gregory Helms when their names came out the first time, and then Signature Pharmacy came out and completely blew out their timeline).

B) Maybe he should have spoke with the investigators and told them that, when they requested his input and told him he was on the list.



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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.12
I'm in total agreement with you, hansen9j. Hearing Clemens' attorney complain about how every one is jumping to conclusions sounds pretty ridiculous when Mitchell points out that everyone listed were told that he had information on them, and could have given their side of the story. Their failure to do so is why people are jumping to conclusions.

I'm not sure if Pettitte will get in trouble though. The only applicable issue is that using HGH without a prescription is against the law. It didn't become against baseball's rules until 2005. So I'm unsure if Selig has the authority to punish someone because of rumors that they broke the law when no criminal charges have been filed.
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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.08
    Originally posted by Mr. Boffo
    I'm in total agreement with you, hansen9j. Hearing Clemens' attorney complain about how every one is jumping to conclusions sounds pretty ridiculous when Mitchell points out that everyone listed were told that he had information on them, and could have given their side of the story. Their failure to do so is why people are jumping to conclusions.

    I'm not sure if Pettitte will get in trouble though. The only applicable issue is that using HGH without a prescription is against the law. It didn't become against baseball's rules until 2005. So I'm unsure if Selig has the authority to punish someone because of rumors that they broke the law when no criminal charges have been filed.


Wow, not to be rude but did you not even read a word of the report? It made it pretty clear that using HGH and anything like it without a valid prescription was against baseball rules DECADES ago.

(edited by wmatistic on 15.12.07 2026)
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#34 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.12
    Originally posted by wmatistic
      Originally posted by Mr. Boffo
      I'm in total agreement with you, hansen9j. Hearing Clemens' attorney complain about how every one is jumping to conclusions sounds pretty ridiculous when Mitchell points out that everyone listed were told that he had information on them, and could have given their side of the story. Their failure to do so is why people are jumping to conclusions.

      I'm not sure if Pettitte will get in trouble though. The only applicable issue is that using HGH without a prescription is against the law. It didn't become against baseball's rules until 2005. So I'm unsure if Selig has the authority to punish someone because of rumors that they broke the law when no criminal charges have been filed.


    Wow, not to be rude but did you not even read a word of the report? It made it pretty clear that using HGH and anything like it without a valid prescription was against baseball rules DECADES ago.

    (edited by wmatistic on 15.12.07 2026)

I did read some of the report, but not the section on Pettitte. The whole thing is 500 pages long, so you have to be way more interested in baseball than I am. I was going from the article about Pettitte that was linked in ItsFalse's report. I assumed, stupidly apparently, that the writer of the article would know what they were talking about when they wrote "HGH wasn't banned by baseball until January 2005." Sorry my mistake ruined your day.
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#35 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.08
    Originally posted by Mr. Boffo
      Originally posted by wmatistic
        Originally posted by Mr. Boffo
        I'm in total agreement with you, hansen9j. Hearing Clemens' attorney complain about how every one is jumping to conclusions sounds pretty ridiculous when Mitchell points out that everyone listed were told that he had information on them, and could have given their side of the story. Their failure to do so is why people are jumping to conclusions.

        I'm not sure if Pettitte will get in trouble though. The only applicable issue is that using HGH without a prescription is against the law. It didn't become against baseball's rules until 2005. So I'm unsure if Selig has the authority to punish someone because of rumors that they broke the law when no criminal charges have been filed.


      Wow, not to be rude but did you not even read a word of the report? It made it pretty clear that using HGH and anything like it without a valid prescription was against baseball rules DECADES ago.

      (edited by wmatistic on 15.12.07 2026)

    I did read some of the report, but not the section on Pettitte. The whole thing is 500 pages long, so you have to be way more interested in baseball than I am. I was going from the article about Pettitte that was linked in ItsFalse's report. I assumed, stupidly apparently, that the writer of the article would know what they were talking about when they wrote "HGH wasn't banned by baseball until January 2005." Sorry my mistake ruined your day.


No, no like I said I wasn't trying to be rude but this point was covered in threads here previously too and Mitchell made it a point during the first probably 20 pages of his report so you didn't have to be a diehard fan to know it. HGH wasn't listed singularly until 2005, but in the early 70's baseball banned anything that you didn't have a valid prescription for which would include all steroids and HGH.
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