George Mitchell plans to release his report at 2 p.m. ET Thursday at a news conference in New York City.
Baseball commissioner Bud Selig will hold his own news conference 2½ hours later.
One lawyer expected several "very, very high-level names" to be exposed, although Mitchell is frank in the report about how difficult it was to get information regarding the extent of player use.
The Mitchell Report exposes a "serious drug culture within baseball, from top to bottom," fingers MVPs and All-Stars and calls for beefed-up testing by an outside agency to clean up the game, The Associated Press learned Wednesday.
The report by former Senate Majority Leader George Mitchell will include names of 60 to 80 players linked to performance-enhancing substances and plenty more information that exposes "deep problems" afflicting the sport, one of two sources with knowledge of the findings told the AP. Both sources said the report would not address amphetamines.
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Clemens and Pettitte are said to be the Big Fish. Bonds has his own issues. More at 2pm
I still think the whole ordeal - Mitchell's Report, Game of Shadows, et al. is a bunch of horseshit. And so are the writers who will keep Clemens and Bonds out of the Hall of Fame. And anyone else who claimed "we never knew". And also, anyone who has badmouthed Canseco for the last 10 years when he was the only one (left alive) talking
I've got a 15-year old son and a 10-year old daughter, and if they were going to do one of the following things: be an alcoholic; be a drug offender; beat their wife or husband; or gamble. I hope they would gamble.
NEW YORK -- Newschannel 4's Jonathan Dienst has obtained names of baseball players expected to be on George Mitchell's list of players linked to performance enhancing drugs in major league baseball. Baseball officials are refuting several names on the list.
A high-ranking MLB official said there are several errors in the list provided to WNBC by two sources. Therefore, we working to clarify the list at this time.
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(edited by RYDER FAKIN on 13.12.07 1203) Demonstrations are a drag. Besides, we're much too high
I haven't read the entire Mitchell Report www.mlb.com/mitchellreport. because of it's length, but I looked it over and...I don't know if I was surprised or impressed or what about all the canceled checks and money orders that were included in the report.
The list in the first post is hooey. Here's the actual list of players named in the report:
Manny Alexander Chad Allen Rick Ankiel Mike Bell David Bell Marvin Benard Gary Bennett Jr. Larry Bigbie Barry Bonds Ricky Bones Kevin Brown Paul Byrd Alex Cabrera Ken Caminiti Jose Canseco Mark Carreon Jason Christianson Howie Clark Roger Clemens Paxton Crawford Jack Cust Brendon Donnelly Chris Donnels Lenny Dykstra Bobby Estellela Matt Franco Ryan Franklin Eric Gagne Jason Giambi Jeremy Giambi Jay Gibbons Troy Glaus Juan Gonzalez Jason Grimsley Jose Guillen Jerry Hairston Jr. Matt Herges Phil Hiatt Glenallen Hill Darren Holmes Todd Hundley David Justice Chuck Knoblauch Tim Laker Mike Lansing Paul Lo Duca Nook Logan Josias Manzanillo Cody McKay Kent Mercker Bart Miadich Hal Morris Daniel Naulty Denny Neagle Rafael Palmeiro Jim Parque Luis Perez Andy Pettitte Adam Piatt Todd Pratt Stephen Randolph Armando Rios Brian Roberts John Rocker FP Santangelo Benito Santiago Scott Schoeneweis David Segui Mike Stanton Miguel Tejada Ismail Valdez Mo Vaughn Randy Velarde Ron Villone Fernando Vina Rondell White Todd Williams Jeff Williams Steve Woodard Kevin Young Gregg Zaun
Originally posted by The King of KeithWow...look at all of those Orioles. Baltimore must be the hotspot for the steroid highway.
I think a big steroid constant on this list is actually Tony LaRussa. Look at the Oakland & St Louis players & who those players touched. Pujols, Tatis, Kile, Ankiel, Canseco, McGuire, etc etc etc...
Seems like more than just coincidence.
Well no Pujols, Tatis or Kile at least though one time Cardinal Vina is on there. Seems much more like a few players helped spread it around as they changed teams. Though really this was only a few people talking, it was likely far more wipespread.
And no I really don't believe Pujols is totally clean though I really hope he is.
In reading some of it I kinda agree I guess that going back and punishing these guys now isn't worth the time and trouble. Better to take real steps to getting rid of roids and HGH, especially HGH.
Probably need to just lock out the players until they agree to blood tests.
What stands out to me at first impression of Mitchell's presentation, is that all the information he publishes comes from 3 basic sources:
- The BALCO investigation - Interviews with two trainers who cooperated because they are in trouble with the Feds - The internet prescription investigation out of Albany, NY
Which is to say that since the Players' Association completely stonewalled, Mitchell had to take what he could get. But most of what he got would figure to disproportionally involve players that went through New York or San Francisco/Oakland. Which leads me to think that steroid use is as wide-spread as some of us feared. And that's probably 'good' news for Bonds, Sosa, McGwire, Clemens, etc...
Although I'm not sure Mitchell is going to be able to make the case that this report will close the "Steroid Era". I'm thinking this is much more 'The End of the Beginning', rather than 'The Beginning of the End'. I think the recommendations could make a large difference in steering the game out of trouble, but they have to act quickly and decisively, not something I have great hope for where Donald Fehr is concerned.
If asked to predict, I would say that it will take more Congressional hearings to get substantive action, and it won't happen in time to put the issue to bed.
(Put to bed, as it seems to have been in the NFL.. the occasional suspensions appear to be very matter-of-fact notes in the agate section of the Sports Page, and no one seems to mind that offensive linemen have gone from an average of 280 lbs to 350 lbs in the space of 20 years. Of course MLB doesn't have the advantage of a product that their network 'corporate partners' have a vested interest to protect, do they?)
And Jose Canseco was telling the truth all along. Big Mac's the only name I don't see on the list that was mentioned in his book. Jose should hold a press conference where he just says "I told you so" and walks off.
Ffej- The 2005 NCAA "W" Tourney Pick 'Em Champion modernmythpress.com
Originally posted by wmatistic Better to take real steps to getting rid of roids and HGH, especially HGH.
Probably need to just lock out the players until they agree to blood tests.
The thing is that most studies seem to indicate that HGH really doesn't do anything to enhance performance. Even the Mitchell Report (pages 9 and 10) calls attention to this fact. Certainly there may be some gain in using HGH along with another proven PED, but there's no evidence of that either. But one cannot assume because of this that an athlete taking HGH is also taking a legit PED because of the widespread belief by athletes, the media and, well, pretty much everyone that HGH in and of itself can help you.
All the hate against HGH is just speculation. No need to legalize it since it has the ability to damage your body just as bad as steroids, but taking HGH to enhance your performance seems to be as useful as rubbing magnets over your body.
More from Sabernomics. The studies aren't perfect, but there's more evidence that HGH does nothing for healthy adults than that they do something.
Originally posted by FfejAnd Jose Canseco was telling the truth all along. Big Mac's the only name I don't see on the list that was mentioned in his book. Jose should hold a press conference where he just says "I told you so" and walks off.
Apparently Jose was actually at the Mitchell press conference and tried to ask a question, but was removed since he didn't have proper press credentials
Spent a good while reading through this report today and the thing I was struck with after all the hearsay from the various people leading up to it was the several pages of scans of checks sent to that Mets clubhouse guy from all the players. 1000 bucks here, 2000 bucks there, 3000 bucks from GlenFrickingAllen Hill and more. The needles in this locker or that glove box, the guys from the orioles spreading through the league to give Roids to each team. (Astros, say hello to an Oriole.)
Things I was surprised were NOT in there: Sosa. (other than "I asked to talk to him and he declined") And I fully expected some reference to Benoit, since he got his stash from some of the same places as the players.
We'll be back right after order has been restored here in the Omni Center.
I think I always believed Jose Canseco. He would be in the know, for sure. But my question is his motivation. He's pissed off that his career has ended due to injuries...presumably to steroid use. He figures if he can't be happy, no one will.
Someone closer to the Brewers can feel free to chime in with a more informed opinion, but isn't this likely a case of a mid-market franchise going for it before their core starts hitting free agency, and is broken up?