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RYDER FAKIN
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Since: 21.2.02
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From all the wires:

George Mitchell plans to release his report at 2 p.m. ET Thursday at a news conference in New York City.

Baseball commissioner Bud Selig will hold his own news conference 2 hours later.

One lawyer expected several "very, very high-level names" to be exposed, although Mitchell is frank in the report about how difficult it was to get information regarding the extent of player use.

The Mitchell Report exposes a "serious drug culture within baseball, from top to bottom," fingers MVPs and All-Stars and calls for beefed-up testing by an outside agency to clean up the game, The Associated Press learned Wednesday.

The report by former Senate Majority Leader George Mitchell will include names of 60 to 80 players linked to performance-enhancing substances and plenty more information that exposes "deep problems" afflicting the sport, one of two sources with knowledge of the findings told the AP. Both sources said the report would not address amphetamines.

* * * * *

Clemens and Pettitte are said to be the Big Fish. Bonds has his own issues. More at 2pm

I still think the whole ordeal - Mitchell's Report, Game of Shadows, et al. is a bunch of horseshit. And so are the writers who will keep Clemens and Bonds out of the Hall of Fame. And anyone else who claimed "we never knew". And also, anyone who has badmouthed Canseco for the last 10 years when he was the only one (left alive) talking

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UPDATE - LEAKAGE

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NEW YORK -- Newschannel 4's Jonathan Dienst has obtained names of baseball players expected to be on George Mitchell's list of players linked to performance enhancing drugs in major league baseball. Baseball officials are refuting several names on the list.

A high-ranking MLB official said there are several errors in the list provided to WNBC by two sources. Therefore, we working to clarify the list at this time.

Brady Anderson

Manny Alexander

Rick Ankiel

Jeff Bagwell

Barry Bonds

Aaron Boone

Rafael Bettancourt

Bret Boone

Milton Bradley

David Bell

Dante Bichette

Albert Belle

Paul Byrd

Wil Cordero

Ken Caminiti

Mike Cameron

Ramon Castro

Jose Canseco

Ozzie Canseco

Roger Clemens

Paxton Crawford

Wilson Delgado

Lenny Dykstra

Johnny Damon

Carl Everett

Kyle Farnsworth

Ryan Franklin

Troy Glaus

Rich Garces

Jason Grimsley

Juan Gonzalez

Eric Gagne

Nomar Garciaparra

Jason Giambi

Jeremy Giambi

Jose Guillen

Jay Gibbons

Juan Gonzalez

Clay Hensley

Jerry Hairston

Felix Heredia, Jr.

Darren Holmes

Wally Joyner

Darryl Kile

Matt Lawton

Raul Mondesi

Mark McGwire

Guillermo Mota

Robert Machado

Damian Moss

Abraham Nunez

Trot Nixon

Jose Offerman

Andy Pettitte

Mark Prior

Neifi Perez

Rafael Palmiero

Albert Pujols

Brian Roberts

Juan Rincon

John Rocker

Pudge Rodriguez

Sammy Sosa

Scott Sc hoenweiis

David Segui

Alex Sanchez

Gary Sheffield

Miguel Tejada

Julian Tavarez

Fernando Tatis

Maurice Vaughn

Jason Varitek

Ismael Valdez

Matt Williams

Kerry Woo




(edited by RYDER FAKIN on 13.12.07 1203)

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If Ozzie Canseco was on the juice, then I can never again remember fondly the "most home runs by twins" record that he shares with Jose.

Please let this be a lie. It's the only record I hold sacred in baseball.




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Wow...look at all of those Orioles. Baltimore must be the hotspot for the steroid highway.



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Since: 2.1.02
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Not Kerry Woo!


    Lenny Dykstra

Well, duh. Dude was JACKED in '93.



Von Maestro
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Since: 6.1.04
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    Originally posted by The King of Keith
    Wow...look at all of those Orioles. Baltimore must be the hotspot for the steroid highway.


I think a big steroid constant on this list is actually Tony LaRussa. Look at the Oakland & St Louis players & who those players touched. Pujols, Tatis, Kile, Ankiel, Canseco, McGuire, etc etc etc...

Seems like more than just coincidence.
dwaters
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Since: 16.10.02
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Say it ain't so Jason Varitek!
PeterStork
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Since: 25.1.02
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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.10
    Originally posted by RYDER FAKIN
    Albert Pujols


Here's the PDF from MLB.

NO PUJOLS!

Doesn't mean he's totally clean, but he's not named in the report.



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Since: 3.5.06
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I haven't read the entire Mitchell Report www.mlb.com/mitchellreport. because of it's length, but I looked it over and...I don't know if I was surprised or impressed or what about all the canceled checks and money orders that were included in the report.



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Since: 2.1.02
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Rondell White and Chuck Knoblauch are in the report but not on your list. Knoblauch didn't take them until he was a trainer in 2000, so that doesn't taint my memory of him as a Twin.

Rondell White? He should have taken MORE steroids cuz he SUCKED!
Gugs
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Since: 9.7.02
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The list in the first post is hooey. Here's the actual list of players named in the report:

Manny Alexander
Chad Allen
Rick Ankiel
Mike Bell
David Bell
Marvin Benard
Gary Bennett Jr.
Larry Bigbie
Barry Bonds
Ricky Bones
Kevin Brown
Paul Byrd
Alex Cabrera
Ken Caminiti
Jose Canseco
Mark Carreon
Jason Christianson
Howie Clark
Roger Clemens
Paxton Crawford
Jack Cust
Brendon Donnelly
Chris Donnels
Lenny Dykstra
Bobby Estellela
Matt Franco
Ryan Franklin
Eric Gagne
Jason Giambi
Jeremy Giambi
Jay Gibbons
Troy Glaus
Juan Gonzalez
Jason Grimsley
Jose Guillen
Jerry Hairston Jr.
Matt Herges
Phil Hiatt
Glenallen Hill
Darren Holmes
Todd Hundley
David Justice
Chuck Knoblauch
Tim Laker
Mike Lansing
Paul Lo Duca
Nook Logan
Josias Manzanillo
Cody McKay
Kent Mercker
Bart Miadich
Hal Morris
Daniel Naulty
Denny Neagle
Rafael Palmeiro
Jim Parque
Luis Perez
Andy Pettitte
Adam Piatt
Todd Pratt
Stephen Randolph
Armando Rios
Brian Roberts
John Rocker
FP Santangelo
Benito Santiago
Scott Schoeneweis
David Segui
Mike Stanton
Miguel Tejada
Ismail Valdez
Mo Vaughn
Randy Velarde
Ron Villone
Fernando Vina
Rondell White
Todd Williams
Jeff Williams
Steve Woodard
Kevin Young
Gregg Zaun



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wmatistic
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Since: 2.2.04
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    Originally posted by Von Maestro
      Originally posted by The King of Keith
      Wow...look at all of those Orioles. Baltimore must be the hotspot for the steroid highway.


    I think a big steroid constant on this list is actually Tony LaRussa. Look at the Oakland & St Louis players & who those players touched. Pujols, Tatis, Kile, Ankiel, Canseco, McGuire, etc etc etc...

    Seems like more than just coincidence.


Well no Pujols, Tatis or Kile at least though one time Cardinal Vina is on there. Seems much more like a few players helped spread it around as they changed teams. Though really this was only a few people talking, it was likely far more wipespread.

And no I really don't believe Pujols is totally clean though I really hope he is.

In reading some of it I kinda agree I guess that going back and punishing these guys now isn't worth the time and trouble. Better to take real steps to getting rid of roids and HGH, especially HGH.

Probably need to just lock out the players until they agree to blood tests.
TheOldMan
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Since: 13.2.03
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What stands out to me at first impression of Mitchell's presentation, is that all the information he publishes comes from 3 basic sources:

- The BALCO investigation
- Interviews with two trainers who cooperated because they are in trouble with the Feds
- The internet prescription investigation out of Albany, NY

Which is to say that since the Players' Association completely stonewalled, Mitchell had to take what he could get. But most of what he got would figure to disproportionally involve players that went through New York or San Francisco/Oakland. Which leads me to think that steroid use is as wide-spread as some of us feared. And that's probably 'good' news for Bonds, Sosa, McGwire, Clemens, etc...

Although I'm not sure Mitchell is going to be able to make the case that this report will close the "Steroid Era". I'm thinking this is much more 'The End of the Beginning', rather than 'The Beginning of the End'. I think the recommendations could make a large difference in steering the game out of trouble, but they have to act quickly and decisively, not something I have great hope for where Donald Fehr is concerned.

If asked to predict, I would say that it will take more Congressional hearings to get substantive action, and it won't happen in time to put the issue to bed.

(Put to bed, as it seems to have been in the NFL.. the occasional suspensions appear to be very matter-of-fact notes in the agate section of the Sports Page, and no one seems to mind that offensive linemen have gone from an average of 280 lbs to 350 lbs in the space of 20 years. Of course MLB doesn't have the advantage of a product that their network 'corporate partners' have a vested interest to protect, do they?)

Selig next up to bat.



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And Jose Canseco was telling the truth all along. Big Mac's the only name I don't see on the list that was mentioned in his book. Jose should hold a press conference where he just says "I told you so" and walks off.





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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.10
    Originally posted by wmatistic
    Better to take real steps to getting rid of roids and HGH, especially HGH.

    Probably need to just lock out the players until they agree to blood tests.


The thing is that most studies seem to indicate that HGH really doesn't do anything to enhance performance. Even the Mitchell Report (pages 9 and 10) calls attention to this fact. Certainly there may be some gain in using HGH along with another proven PED, but there's no evidence of that either. But one cannot assume because of this that an athlete taking HGH is also taking a legit PED because of the widespread belief by athletes, the media and, well, pretty much everyone that HGH in and of itself can help you.

All the hate against HGH is just speculation. No need to legalize it since it has the ability to damage your body just as bad as steroids, but taking HGH to enhance your performance seems to be as useful as rubbing magnets over your body.

More from Sabernomics. The studies aren't perfect, but there's more evidence that HGH does nothing for healthy adults than that they do something.

(edited by PeterStork on 13.12.07 1523)

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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.09
    Originally posted by Ffej
    And Jose Canseco was telling the truth all along. Big Mac's the only name I don't see on the list that was mentioned in his book. Jose should hold a press conference where he just says "I told you so" and walks off.




Apparently Jose was actually at the Mitchell press conference and tried to ask a question, but was removed since he didn't have proper press credentials
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Spent a good while reading through this report today and the thing I was struck with after all the hearsay from the various people leading up to it was the several pages of scans of checks sent to that Mets clubhouse guy from all the players. 1000 bucks here, 2000 bucks there, 3000 bucks from GlenFrickingAllen Hill and more. The needles in this locker or that glove box, the guys from the orioles spreading through the league to give Roids to each team. (Astros, say hello to an Oriole.)

Things I was surprised were NOT in there: Sosa. (other than "I asked to talk to him and he declined") And I fully expected some reference to Benoit, since he got his stash from some of the same places as the players.



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I'll have to dig up the link about the Padres and Mexican Steroids from years ago. I sure do see a lot of guys who started with this guy a season or two after leaving the Padres.

I wouldn't be surprised if they had to turn to this guy after leaving the supposed easy supply of roids in San Diego.

What shocked me the most was that the Dodgers were documenting their suspicions about players (read the Gagne notes - very accurate) that were using.

I wonder if there is any legal wrangling here that is possible by guys who didn't make the MLB team (your Triple A forever guys) if they can prove that management knew their ML guys were on the gas.




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I think I always believed Jose Canseco. He would be in the know, for sure. But my question is his motivation. He's pissed off that his career has ended due to injuries...presumably to steroid use. He figures if he can't be happy, no one will.



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The news that Gagne was juiced in '04 is sending shockwaves through Dodgertown. It essentially means his single-season saves record and MVP season was all junk.




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Ichiro is clean!

I hope they start going over the record books with a white out pen.

(edited by J. Kyle on 13.12.07 0631)



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