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As if this turd sandwich of a season just wasn't bad enough, it looks like NO ONE will be facing any repercussions.

Report: Omar Minaya 'absolutely' returning to Mets


    NEW YORK -- Mets general manager Omar Minaya is expected back next season.

    The New York Post reported Sunday that owner Fred Wilpon said Minaya will return in 2010 despite the failings of his $136 million team on and off the field this year.

    Minaya in turn told the newspaper that if he's back, manager Jerry Manuel will return as well.

    "I always felt I had ownership's support and I'll continue to work to do my job every day to the best of my abilities," Minaya told The Associated Press on Sunday.


I'm of the school of thought that Minaya should have been canned after the manner in which Willie Randolph was dishonorably discharged and the Mets' subsequent collapse. The circus that has followed the Mets has been eye-rolling to say the least and I don't think these moves will inspire confidence among the Mets faithful.

On the upside, Mets fans...you have an obscenely expensive new stadium. Hoo...ray...?




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Wasn't Randolph removed due to the team's under-performance? At least they were in contention - this year they're not even a serious contender.

I dunno ... I look at the Rockies and how they responded to change in manager. The Mets haven't done much to save Manuel's job, maybe they didn't need to.
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While I'm no fan of Minaya or Manuel, in their defense, the Mets have had an appallingly huge number of injuries this season. With virtually every top star on the team save Santana or K-Rod hurt at some point, it's hard to punish M&M for a non-competitive season.

How long does Minaya's deal run? It's possible Wilpon wants to save a few bucks and give him one more season to try and turn things around, rather than pay two GMs.



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Every time I've heard an owner declare that someone's job is safe, they seem to get fired after the season's over, if not sooner. Like the time Minaya gave Willie Randolph a vote of confidence, and then fired him three weeks later.
http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2008/05/23/omar-minaya-gives-willie-randolph-the-dreaded-vote-of-confidenc/

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Man, if that's the case, it's the most fitting way Minaya could possibly go out.




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    Originally posted by Big Bad
    While I'm no fan of Minaya or Manuel, in their defense, the Mets have had an appallingly huge number of injuries this season. With virtually every top star on the team save Santana or K-Rod hurt at some point, it's hard to punish M&M for a non-competitive season.



I don't know about that. I'll give Manuel the benefit of a doubt. But Minaya's the one who chose all these injured players, some of whom he knew were soft. More importantly, we could had weathered this better if he hadn't gutted the minor leagues of all our prospects. That's on him, IMO, and he should be held accountable for it. But he won't because the Wilpons really like him as a friend. That and the fact that they are still recovering from Madoff ripping them off leads me to believe that they can't or won't change the whole team anytime soon, unfortunely.

EDIT: Well, we couldn't go a couple of weeks without another Met (sports.espn.go.com) getting injured. That would be too unusual to have a Met all-star last the whole season without hurting himself. Let's just club K-Rod in the knees and get it over with so we can complete the full injured roster already.

(edited by supersalvadoran on 25.8.09 1954)




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    Originally posted by Big Bad
    While I'm no fan of Minaya or Manuel, in their defense, the Mets have had an appallingly huge number of injuries this season. With virtually every top star on the team save Santana or K-Rod hurt at some point, it's hard to punish M&M for a non-competitive season.



Santana is out for the season now.

    Originally posted by supersalvadoran

    I don't know about that. I'll give Manuel the benefit of a doubt. But Minaya's the one who chose all these injured players, some of whom he knew were soft. More importantly, we could had weathered this better if he hadn't gutted the minor leagues of all our prospects. That's on him, IMO, and he should be held accountable for it.
    (edited by supersalvadoran on 25.8.09 1954)


I agree that I'm willing to give Manuel the benefit of the doubt. They had a good record under him before all the injuries, although the mishandling of the pitchers is obvious and that sort of thing isn't usually obvious to me.

I also agree with letting Minaya go but I'm not sure where you get the notion that Minaya signed injury prone or soft players. I don't remember any players injured this season being injury prone or soft BEFORE the Mets got them (okay if you're talking MENTALLY soft then I could see the Perez re-signing).

I also don't know who these great prospects the Mets have given up are. With the history of Mets prospects failing I say trade Fernando Martinez now and get something before he's Lastings Milledge II. Even Scott Kazmir, the most HORRIBLE DECISION EVER in some Mets fans' eyes hasn't been what he was cracked up to be.

My biggest problem with Minaya has been his lack of making any moves during the season. Three years ago the Mets lost in game 7 of the NLCS. The next two seasons they missed the playoffs by one game. Even a small non-star improvement at the deadline could have been the difference in going a round further each of those years including a World Series trip. It's a shame they were decimated by injuries this year because Church for Francoeur could have been the type of move to put them over the top.

As far as making changes to the players I think a bigger issue than money is that they won't get equal value for anybody. Beltran has attitude problems, people are worried about Jose's knees and both just played half a season. Nobody is going to give equal value for those players and you're not going to get equal value for David Wright because somebody would have to give up one of the 10 best players in baseball. Unfortunately I think their only option is to use the Delgado/Wagner money to try and get Holliday or trade for Dunn and just hope everybody is healthy next season. It's still a very good offense, okay starting pitching and much improved bullpen IF everybody were healthy.



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Here's how ridiculous things have gotten with the injuries: yesterday the Mets put out a lineup with a total of 233 career home runs to their name. And their current starting rotation had a grand total of 76 career wins coming into the day. For a team with such a high payroll, that's staggering.
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I'd contend that players on poor teams get recognition. Andre Dawson, Cal Ripken, Robin Yount, Ernie Banks, Alex Rodriguez and Larry Walker all won the MVP while playing on bad or mediocre teams.
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