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I have a question-
According to law, the sitting President has the right to appoint judges. The Senate is responsible for confirming them, solely on the basis of qualifications. They are not to determine this on the basis of ideology, race, backround, income and funds- nothing other than judicial temperment and qualifications.
Estrada has demonstrated excellent temperment and has a very impressive backround. Especially in comparision to several of the sitting judges.
So what right do the Democrats have to attempt to filabuster his appointment? Do they have no respect at all for the constitution? Is a hispanic in that high of an office offensive to them? What the hell is it?


(edited by Pool-Boy on 13.2.03 1210)


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This is the only positive of a filibuster: Seeing if Bobby Byrd and company can still be up at 4 A.M.
Considering the Celts are on the West Coast, the filibuster can be the post game show.



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Technically, they do have the legal right since the senate is empowered to do that in the Constitution(Article II, Section 2).

Of course, what they're doing sure as hell 'aint right. The Democrats are practicing discrimination against Estrada because he is a Hispanic conservative, and thus undeserving of a seat on the bencg. Further proof that the Dems don't want PeeCee to go both ways...


    Originally posted by redsoxnation
    Considering the Celts are on the West Coast, the filibuster can be the post game show.

Unfortunately it'd probaby be as interesting too...


(edited by Grimis on 13.2.03 1515)


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I, in a sick way, hope they do filabuster- I would seriously tune into C-SPAN to watch Democrats read from a phone book- all because they do not want a Hispanic judge appointed-

And they say the Democratic party is the party of choice for advancing the position of minorities in this country....



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Why isn't there any outcry from the Latino community? Why don't the damn Republicans pull out the stops to really INFORM them about what the democrats are doing? Can't the republicans see this as an opportunity to gain some support among the now largest minority group in the USA? This guy is a prime example of the American dream and the Democrats won't have him because he's Hispanic and dared to join the Republican party. If I was PC I'd say that sounds racist. So, if I understand the democrats, if you are non-caucasian, you have to join their party? Does that mean non-whites aren't good or smart enough to make their own political choices; that they must join the democrats?



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Come on guys racism? The Demos oppose him because the GOP want him. Its that simple. Its not always racism or right or left. Politics really isnt that complicated... The GOP are doing something that will make them look good, so the Demos want to make it difficult. If roles were reversed the GOP would do the same thing.
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    Originally posted by rockdotcom_2.0
    Come on guys racism? The Demos oppose him because the GOP want him.

For the record, the Dems cry racism when it goes the other way.


    Originally posted by rockdotcom_2.0
    If roles were reversed the GOP would do the same thing.

Been there, done that. How many Clinton-appointed judges took this long to put through?

exactly....



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    Originally posted by Bizzle Izzle
    Why isn't there any outcry from the Latino community? Why don't the damn Republicans pull out the stops to really INFORM them about what the democrats are doing? Can't the republicans see this as an opportunity to gain some support among the now largest minority group in the USA? This guy is a prime example of the American dream and the Democrats won't have him because he's Hispanic and dared to join the Republican party. If I was PC I'd say that sounds racist. So, if I understand the democrats, if you are non-caucasian, you have to join their party? Does that mean non-whites aren't good or smart enough to make their own political choices; that they must join the democrats?


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The Dems are afraid. They are afraid of a conservative Hispanic, and *other* conservative Hispanics who may continue to sway Republican. I say let them filibuster and thus dig their own grave. The Republicans will hopefully continue to make a point of it, which they indeed have been. (I know I saw someone on MSNBC complaining about this along with Chris Matthews.)

(Is Estrada the same guy who was partially involved in one of the Vince Foster investigations during the Clinton years and was kind of pushed out for wanting to dig deeper into the issue? I'll have to look this up tonight and get back on this.)

DMC

(edited by DMC on 14.2.03 0936)


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Personally- I agree that race really is not the main factor here. I just find it amusing that the party that has preached for so long that minorities who want to get anywhere in this country need to belong to IT, because Republicans are racist, are attempting to wrongfully block a highly qualified Hispanic nominee in an act of shameful politics. Sure, they have the right to attempt to hold it up, but as Bush won the election, and is president, his is the privelege of nominating judges he feels are best for the spot, not the Democrats in the Senate. Their task is not to assert his political leanings, theirs is to make sure he is qualified. And he is. Let the man through dammit! Don't we have enough going on right now that their attention should be focused on more important things, and not playing politics?



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    Originally posted by Pool-Boy
    I, in a sick way, hope they do filabuster- I would seriously tune into C-SPAN to watch Democrats read from a phone book- all because they do not want a Hispanic judge appointed-

    And they say the Democratic party is the party of choice for advancing the position of minorities in this country....






I'll just say this: If the Democrats break out the phone book for the filibuster, thats fine. I just hope the Republicans break out the Chappaquidick accident report the next time they fillibuster.



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    Originally posted by Grimis


      Originally posted by rockdotcom_2.0
      If roles were reversed the GOP would do the same thing.

    Been there, done that. How many Clinton-appointed judges took this long to put through?

    exactly....



I really hate to get into these partisan pissing match arguments, but I think we need a clarification.

If memory serves, the Estrada position is open because the Republicans did not approve Clinton's nominee for that position. Also, there were two other DC circuit judge Clinton appointees that were denied by the Republicans in Congress because the Republicans said there were already too many judges in that circuit. Obviously, things must have changed because Bush appointed judges to those positions. I don't know or care who they were or the real reasons they were not approved. All that I'm saying is that both parties play the same game.

This type of thinking is yet one more reason that partisan politics annoy the hell out of me (at least when it involves the two major parties).

EDIT: I'm hoping that the theme of my post is that party driven political discussions (as in my party is more noble/better because...) drive me nuts. It might seem like I'm bashing the Republicans (and I guess, in this particular instance, I am), but I'm doing my best to bash both parties. I should just delete all this and say that both the Democrat and the Republican party stink. And, have a Happy Valentine's Day!



(edited by Corajudo on 14.2.03 1535)
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I'll just say this: If the Democrats break out the phone book for the filibuster, thats fine. I just hope the Republicans break out the Chappaquidick accident report the next time they fillibuster.


Geez, and you guys piss and moan about how we "should get over it already" when we bring up Bush/Gore from 2 years ago



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    Originally posted by MoeGates
    I'll just say this: If the Democrats break out the phone book for the filibuster, thats fine. I just hope the Republicans break out the Chappaquidick accident report the next time they fillibuster.


    Geez, and you guys piss and moan about how we "should get over it already" when we bring up Bush/Gore from 2 years ago




If the fillibuster is going to be in the middle of the night, I'd rather it be exciting information thrown out to the public. The phone book could cause me to fall asleep.
Plus, it was the Democratic candidate for President Al Sharpton who recently questioned why Tawana Brawley always gets mentioned when his name is brought up, but Ted Kennedy doesn't keep getting asked about Mary Jo. I'm just trying to help a Democratic candidate :).



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I'll presume this guy isn't a love child of Jesus Estrada and Miguel Perez from Los Boriquas.



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    Originally posted by Pool-Boy
    I have a question-
    According to law, the sitting President has the right to appoint judges. The Senate is responsible for confirming them, solely on the basis of qualifications. They are not to determine this on the basis of ideology, race, backround, income and funds- nothing other than judicial temperment and qualifications.
    So what right do the Democrats have to attempt to filabuster his appointment? Do they have no respect at all for the constitution?



The Democrats have plenty of respect for the Constitution; they just don't have respect for stuff you made up and pretended was in the Constitution. All of this "solely on the basis of qualifications" stuff is NOT in the Constitution. The Constitution says that the President appoints judges "with the advice and consent of the Senate". It doesn't say one word about what the Senate can and cannot withhold its consent over.

The Democrats try to block overly conservative judges. Most of them, in fact, are white. To scream racism because one of them happens to be a minority is absurd.

Thje Republicans blocked Clinton's nomination of Judge Richard Paez for four years, and he too was a well-qualified Hispanic, yet no big fuss was raised.
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The difference here is - Congress DOES approve the nomination. They have the required majority vote to confirm Estrada. The Democrats are blocking that. The MAJORITY of the Senate wants to approve him!
I wonder if they are thinking clearly here- do they really WANT to set the president that you need the 60 "filabuster blocking" votes to confirm a judge? This could seriously come back to haunt them if and when they re-take the White House...



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Have you guys been paying any attention over the last two years? The Democrats... actually FIGHTING for something? That's such an absurd notion. There was one Democrat left in Congress who'd actually fight, and he died in a plane crash six months ago.



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    Originally posted by Peter The Hegemon

    The Democrats have plenty of respect for the Constitution; they just don't have respect for stuff you made up and pretended was in the Constitution.


Didn't the Democrats make up the right to abortion and pretended was in the Constitution. Just asking....


    Originally posted by OlFuzzyBastard
    Have you guys been paying any attention over the last two years? The Democrats... actually FIGHTING for something? That's such an absurd notion. There was one Democrat left in Congress who'd actually fight, and he died in a plane crash six months ago.

Good point. The Democrats wave the flag of surrender more than the French.



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I wonder if they are thinking clearly here- do they really WANT to set the president that you need the 60 "filabuster blocking" votes to confirm a judge? This could seriously come back to haunt them if and when they re-take the White House.



The Democrats didn't set the precedent here. Strom Thurmond, for instance, led a filibuster against LBJ's appointment of Abe Fortas.



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