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Does anyone else kinda hate him at the moment? He just seems so bitter about Vince and the 'E, and yet it's all he seems to talk about.

And wow, Mick, do you REALLY consider rehashing your Commissioner stint and conducting ego-stroking interview segments about your hardcore past to be better than the stuff WWE had you doing?

I dunno, maybe I'm being harsh. I just think he's turning into the same kind of self-centred greying asshole that makes up 90% of former wrestling stars out there.



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He's kind of irked me the last year or so. Especially with all the stuff of him continually pulling in and out of that sitcom project. I was looking forward to him as an announcer, but that didn't pan out. And so far his TNA stint hasn't really been all that inspiring.



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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.51
That could be more TNA's fault in not knowing HOW to use him.
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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.82
    Originally posted by geemoney
    That could be more TNA's fault in not knowing HOW to use him.


This seems to happen to everyone who jumps over from the E. Foley, Angle, Booker. They all have that bitter "The E was so horrible to me!" attitude when they come into TNA, as if it's part of their TNA initiation to be trained to constantly spout off about how horrible Vince and The E are.






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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.00
Yeah, he's proving to be uninspiring at best, with the exception of a good promo or two.

And the new "Hardcore Memories" segment -- where Mick tells stories about matches he was in before TNA even existed -- is total bunk. Why spend that time on a guy who doesn't need it instead of on the younger guys and their matches? To try and justify the money they've spent on him, I guess, but if he's worth the money they shouldn't have to resort to storytime.

And declaring him TNA's "Greatest Acquisition Ever" is totally insulting and dunderheaded.

Feh.

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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.09
    Originally posted by Kei Posiskunk
      Originally posted by geemoney
      That could be more TNA's fault in not knowing HOW to use him.


    This seems to happen to everyone who jumps over from the E. Foley, Angle, Booker. They all have that bitter "The E was so horrible to me!" attitude when they come into TNA, as if it's part of their TNA initiation to be trained to constantly spout off about how horrible Vince and The E are.
How about Goldberg? Oh, yeah...the WWE was so horrible to him. They pushed him to the moon and and gave him opportunities that a good majority of the roster would have killed for: a title reign. Just because he wasn't able to capture his initial popularity, suddenly it's Vince's fault.

Do the words "Never look a gift horse in the mouth" ring a bell?

Same goes for Booker T. When WCW folded, Vince didn't HAVE to take him on. Lord knows there were plenty of WWF/E originals that would have loved the same opportunities he was eventually given.

I really think that Dixie Carter should invest in muzzles, and distribute them en masse to the TNA roster, especially former WWE - because their pettiness is only as annoying as their willingness to shoot Vince down.

(edited by Oliver on 17.2.09 1857)


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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.81
Mick Foley has lifetime immunity with me. If you can't comprehend the bulk of his Vince-related frustrations, read Hardcore Diaries and watch as he decends from enthusiasm to depression about his heel turn as Vince continually road blocks every single idea he puts forth.

The dude nearly killed himself numerous times for our entertainment. He never disappointed when thrust into a major match. Hell, the only time I've ever enjoyed watching Randy Orton came against Mick Foley.

Ranting on TNA TV may not be the world's greatest outlet for his frustrations - but place your blame on the bookers and not on Mick.
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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.20
    Originally posted by Oliver
    How about Goldberg? Oh, yeah...the WWE was so horrible to him. They pushed him to the moon and and gave him opportunities that a good majority of the roster would have killed for: a title reign. Just because he wasn't able to capture his initial popularity, suddenly it's Vince's fault.

    Do the words "Never look a gift horse in the mouth" ring a bell?

    Same goes for Booker T. When WCW folded, Vince didn't HAVE to take him on. Lord knows there were plenty of WWF/E originals that would have loved the same opportunities he was eventually given.


I have not really been following his every move these days, but I didn't think Booker T was that negative on his WWE experience overall except for being pissed over them 1) leading him on about using his school as a developmental territory, and 2) wanting to fine him for smoking pot. And he thought HHH buried him in production meetings, but who doesn't.

Goldberg has a more legitimate gripe because he and WWE really didn't see eye-to-eye at all, but that's partially his fault for agreeing to come in for a year and work with people who didn't like him and vice versa when he really only wanted to work with Rock, who was the guy who set up the deal in the first place.
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The only purpose I can see for the hardcore memories is if he's eventually going to take part in a hardcore match and lose. But if that's the plan, better for him to be a part of the MEM. I can't see him losing a hardcore match to ANYone on the MEM as part of the storyline, but a member of the Frontline could get some serious cred beating him.
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The sole big idea that was shot down in Hardcore Diaries was the Terry Funk/Vince thing, which was illogical and a waste of Vince's potential role. The rest of the cool reads like Mick whining because things weren't booked exactly his way.

And sorry, but seeing as he seems to have plenty of creative control over his TNA output, I'm not gonna blame the bookers. Besides, even if they are responsible, he seems all too happy to have his ego indulged with such self-serving writing.



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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.81
    Originally posted by cfgb
    Mick Foley has lifetime immunity with me. If you can't comprehend the bulk of his Vince-related frustrations, read Hardcore Diaries and watch as he decends from enthusiasm to depression about his heel turn as Vince continually road blocks every single idea he puts forth.


I haven't read Hardcore Diaries, but I can't imagine being convinced by reading only Mick Foley's side of the story. Or should I be convinced everyone in WWE is an asshole because Paul London said so?
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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.81
    Originally posted by TheBucsFan
      Originally posted by cfgb
      Mick Foley has lifetime immunity with me. If you can't comprehend the bulk of his Vince-related frustrations, read Hardcore Diaries and watch as he decends from enthusiasm to depression about his heel turn as Vince continually road blocks every single idea he puts forth.


    I haven't read Hardcore Diaries, but I can't imagine being convinced by reading only Mick Foley's side of the story. Or should I be convinced everyone in WWE is an asshole because Paul London said so?


I'm not going to dive into a deep argument with someone who hasn't read the book, except to say that Mick is fair with Vince throughout the book. Apparently Vince read and okayed the ordeal so I am guessing there wasn't a great deal of argument from his side regarding what frustrated Foley.
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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.75
    Originally posted by Oliver
    How about Goldberg? Oh, yeah...the WWE was so horrible to him. They pushed him to the moon and and gave him opportunities that a good majority of the roster would have killed for: a title reign. Just because he wasn't able to capture his initial popularity, suddenly it's Vince's fault.


You mean when they tried to take someone perceived as a complete badass and decided "let's make him funny, even though he has no sense of humour"? His first month was basically the Rock making him look like a complete douche, and giving him nothing in their Backlash match. Then throwaway feuds with Christian and Jericho, and a seemingly endless feud with Triple H. Was there a title reign in there? Sure. But he never got away from Hunter, from July-Decemeber that was his feud. Then he got chokeslammed by Kane, and Triple H covered him. He lost the belt to a chokeslam. Goldberg may not have much reason to complain; I'm sure he was well-paid, but there is no doubt WWE booked him like shit.

    Originally posted by Oliver
    Same goes for Booker T. When WCW folded, Vince didn't HAVE to take him on. Lord knows there were plenty of WWF/E originals that would have loved the same opportunities he was eventually given.


Those were opportunities that Booker deserved. He'd proven himself in WCW and did it all over again in the E. After burials by Austin and Rock, the two biggest stars of that era, and numerous false starts, the nWo kickout by Shawn, which had no payoff, and Master Aryan Superlord Triple H citing Booker's racial inferiority and then defeating him at Wrestlemania 19 (yes, yes, Flair helped; it was still fucking absurd), I would still say he put in time as one of the more consistently entertaining characters of '01-whenever he left. The King Booker shtick, as well as the Goldust pairing, are examples of stuff that probably would have sucked if they'd given it to anybody else, that he made work. His heeling toward the end of his run was actually some of the best of his career, and hey, I'll say this: I watched every week when he was there. I watched when Angle was there. They aren't perfect performers, but I would say those are two bonafide hall of fame contenders, if that means anything, that the E let slip away within a year. Could it possibly be that...maybe, the way they handle talent...erm...sucks?

If Foley wants to run Vince down, and Dixie Carter wants to pay him to do it, I say more power to him. It's not like he wasn't critical of how shitty WWE is while he was there. Remember that delightful slight on how many Championships there were when he ended his commissionership? He was one of the only guys free enough to get away with that, and I for one, love hearing it. What I'm not interested in ever hearing again, is more toe-the-line love-ins on Larry King, from the likes of Cena and Triple H and Big Show, about how brilliant Vince is. He's not. Or about how seriously the drug program is. It ain't. Or what a great company WWE is, and how well it takes care of the talent. It doesn't. Call 'em bitter if you like, I say keep it comin'.



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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.20
    Originally posted by TheBucsFan
      Originally posted by cfgb
      Mick Foley has lifetime immunity with me. If you can't comprehend the bulk of his Vince-related frustrations, read Hardcore Diaries and watch as he decends from enthusiasm to depression about his heel turn as Vince continually road blocks every single idea he puts forth.


    I haven't read Hardcore Diaries, but I can't imagine being convinced by reading only Mick Foley's side of the story. Or should I be convinced everyone in WWE is an asshole because Paul London said so?


Paul London said that plenty of people in WWE were awesome; it just wasn't as newsworthy as him calling Matt Hardy fat.

    Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad
    I watched when Angle was there. They aren't perfect performers, but I would say those are two bonafide hall of fame contenders, if that means anything, that the E let slip away within a year. Could it possibly be that...maybe, the way they handle talent...erm...sucks?


It could, but you can't blame them for how they handled Kurt Angle. He lost his mind.
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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.81
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
      Originally posted by TheBucsFan
        Originally posted by cfgb
        Mick Foley has lifetime immunity with me. If you can't comprehend the bulk of his Vince-related frustrations, read Hardcore Diaries and watch as he decends from enthusiasm to depression about his heel turn as Vince continually road blocks every single idea he puts forth.


      I haven't read Hardcore Diaries, but I can't imagine being convinced by reading only Mick Foley's side of the story. Or should I be convinced everyone in WWE is an asshole because Paul London said so?


    Paul London said that plenty of people in WWE were awesome; it just wasn't as newsworthy as him calling Matt Hardy fat.


Yeah sure, but the way he rails against so much of the company, it discredits the praise he gives others. It just makes me think those were the guys who were nice to him. Just like I said about Foley, London by himself is not a credible source of information on things regarding Paul London's stay in WWE.

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I just want to know when fans are going to realize that the WWE is not the paradise they think it is and Vince is not a God. Most ex-employees usually don't have glowing praise when they get fired or leave under bad circumstances. I left my company a month ago and if you had me own a radio show and asked me about my time there it would be much of the same as London, Booker, Foley and everyone else. My statements would be the boss' know nothing, some co-workers are cool others are not and I worked hard while I was there.

Being a wrestler is not gift handed down by the almighty Vince McMahon, these people bust their ass to get a shot at working with the WWE and make giant sacrifices while working for the WWE. WWE gives them a few days off a year. They work all a chunk of major holidays, they barely see their family and what they get paid for their work is not as great as other sport. WWE has made a good chunk of change off the Foleys, Bookers and Londons of the world. I am just shocked that most of the complaints about the WWE all seem to be the same, but everyone ignores them. At point does a WWE stockholder or fan realize that maybe when there is smoke there is fire.
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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.62
    Originally posted by lotjx
    I just want to know when fans are going to realize that the WWE is not the paradise they think it is and Vince is not a God.


Wait, so the only alternative to believing Mick Foley was handcuffed and gagged in WWE is believing WWE is a paradise and Vince McMahon is a god? Or did someone say that in this thread?


    Most ex-employees usually don't have glowing praise when they get fired or leave under bad circumstances.


...which is exactly why London, Foley and the rest have so little credibility when bashing WWE.


    I left my company a month ago and if you had me own a radio show and asked me about my time there it would be much of the same as London, Booker, Foley and everyone else.


And a person would be a fucking idiot to take your statements on your former employer as gospel.


    At point does a WWE stockholder or fan realize that maybe when there is smoke there is fire.


Maybe when wrestlers stop doing all that stuff you said they do just for the apparently self-inflicted punishment that is working for the awful organization that is WWE. The wrestlers, with very few exceptions, have no problem with Vince until he stops giving them a paycheck.

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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.78
To be fair, having a "problem with Vince" is probably a good way to stop getting a paycheck from him.



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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.86
    Originally posted by lotjx
    I just want to know when fans are going to realize that the WWE is not the paradise they think it is and Vince is not a God. Most ex-employees usually don't have glowing praise when they get fired or leave under bad circumstances. I left my company a month ago and if you had me own a radio show and asked me about my time there it would be much of the same as London, Booker, Foley and everyone else. My statements would be the boss' know nothing, some co-workers are cool others are not and I worked hard while I was there.

    Being a wrestler is not gift handed down by the almighty Vince McMahon, these people bust their ass to get a shot at working with the WWE and make giant sacrifices while working for the WWE. WWE gives them a few days off a year. They work all a chunk of major holidays, they barely see their family and what they get paid for their work is not as great as other sport. WWE has made a good chunk of change off the Foleys, Bookers and Londons of the world. I am just shocked that most of the complaints about the WWE all seem to be the same, but everyone ignores them. At point does a WWE stockholder or fan realize that maybe when there is smoke there is fire.
In your first paragraph, you take great pains to tell us why we shouldn't pay attention to these obviously disgruntled ex-employees. So after we disregard those statements....? You're kind of all over the place here.

Anyway, I don't think WWE is regarded as some sort of paradise.

Not that it means anything, but the stock is trading near its 52 week (and I believe all-time) low, off more then 50% from its 52 week high. This just in: Stockholders are most interested in making money off the stock. When/if the dividends stop, don't be suprised if Vince and Linda find some sneaky way to take the company private once again.



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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.00
London is another case entirely, but Foley and Booker...come on. Could it be that these 40-plus guys got tired of not being the centre of attention and jumped to a place which kissed their ass a little more?

And HMD, WWE is so bad with talent that Christian bolted back as soon as his first TNA contract ended, and Angle looks like he's spoiling to do the same. Your venomous view of all things Vince is a little cartoonish.



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