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http://sports.yahoo.com/investigations/news;_ylt=An15DuXLG.gvKAqsJg6z9gw5nYcB?slug=cr-renegade_miami_booster_details_illicit_benefits_081611

That's the most damning investigation yet from yahoo. I mean they really pieced together the evidence to make it so solid I don't see anyway out for Miami. Even if they claim they didn't know, it'll be the "you should have" rule thrown at them.

If this isn't as close to the death penalty as we've seen, I don't know what is. Gotta be a tv ban in there, right?

Plus it could damage other teams with the starting QB's for Purdue and USF implicated, a couple starters for the Gators and Kansas State and another player at Bama.

This is a mess.
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A point nobody but me will care about, but...

    Originally posted by wmatistic
    USF's starting quarterback


It's UCF's quarterback.

Also, I agree, the hammer needs to come down here, and hard.

(edited by TheBucsFan on 16.8.11 2218)
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    Originally posted by TheBucsFan
    A point nobody but me will care about, but...

      Originally posted by wmatistic
      USF's starting quarterback


    It's UCF's quarterback.

    Also, I agree, the hammer needs to come down here, and hard.

    (edited by TheBucsFan on 16.8.11 2218)


Sorry, I knew better. Was thinking if the hammer does drop here the ACC should kick out Miami and invite USF. Might as well.
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Remembers going to the Pink Pony when I lived in Miami.
This is SMU on steroids. If the NCAA is ever going to lay down the hammer, this is going to be the time. Is there actually a page in the rule book that Miami 'allegedly' did not violate in this?
I guess this was the story Yahoo was talking about that would blow the lid off of college football.
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Amusing to read this story the same day as the new ESPN Magazine arrived. It had a three page story on a college sports person who also may be held responsible for rules violations at a BCS University, but the article seems to believe he'll be kept around due to the large (and increasing) amount of money he's bringing in to the university. Not so dissimilar from Nevin Shapiro, except the profile is a bit more fawning, and of OSU President Gordon Gee.

The article goes for the case that Gee was only guilty of being too honest when he suggested Tressel might fire him and that the Athletic Departments run the university. It feels now like the author just slightly missed the target: the booster money owns the university, people paying the money can do whatever they want, and universities are stuck hoping they do good with it rather than have to cut them off.

Bonus: The article also has this line, so money it doesn't even know it:


    Again, others might not laugh. At Miami, president Donna Shalala personally hires each coach. She studies the NCAA rulebook and weekly compliance reports. During football games, she scours the sidelines for suspicious guests. "I'm on alert all the time," she says.


("except at bowling outings!", she said under her breath.)

(edited by thecubsfan on 17.8.11 0035)


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http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/15446543/miamis-exad-new-poster-child-for-college-football-hypocrisy


    Miami's ex-AD new poster child for college football hypocrisy

    By Dennis Dodd
    CBSSports.com Senior Writer

    You will want to be there when the NCAA phones up Paul Dee.

    You won't, of course, because it will be a secret when the former Miami AD will be questioned about his culpability in one of the worst scandals in amateur athletics history. Dee will be asked to explain why and how Nevin Shapiro was able to gain unprecedented access to a program and lavish on players what one source told Yahoo! Sports was "sex, money, meals, some jewelry, whatever they needed ..."

    Dee is the former chair of the NCAA infractions committee, and served as Miami's AD until 2008.

    What do investigators say to one of their own? Dee is a former NCAA infractions committee chairman, the sheriff in charge of sentencing NCAA wrongdoers. He's the guy who sat in judgment of USC when the program was burned to the ground, then scolded the school for letting it happen.

    "High profile players demand high-profile compliance," Dee said 14 months ago in reference to Reggie Bush.

    There have been few more hypocritical words spoken in the history of NCAA enforcement.

    Now it's Dee's former football program that resembles a five-alarm blaze. It looks for all the world like Miami's former AD fiddled while Coral Gables burned. Shapiro, a booster, detailed to Yahoo! an eight-year run of lavish payoffs that would make SMU, circa 1987, blush.

    If the infractions committee chairman's school is committing some of most heinous crimes in NCAA history, the system is not only broken, it is beyond repair. CBSSports.com found that, counting Dee, three of the last six infractions committee chairpersons have been allowed to operate within the system despite having their records stained by wrongdoing or embarrassing court dealings.

    A fourth, attorney Gene Marsh, a veteran of more than 100 infractions hearings, now represents NCAA miscreants. That was him with Jim Tressel rushing out of the hearing room issuing no comments with his client.

    Using this Miami case as a foundation for the current state of affairs, it seems like you're either stained by the cult of wrongdoing or profiting from it.

    Dee himself, AD from 1993-2008, was in charge when Miami football was at the center of a Pell Grant fraud scandal in 1995. The program was stripped of 24 scholarships, given a one-year bowl ban and three years probation. Despite that, he was allowed to be on the infractions committee for the max nine years from 2001-2010.

    Shapiro's run of lawlessness came at roughly the same time that Dee was on the committee, the last three years as chairman (2008-2010). That committee is the nine-person board that hears testimony at hearings and ultimately decides penalties for schools and individuals.

    It was responsible for sending USC to the brink of the death penalty last year. At almost the exact same time Shapiro was running wild. In essence, Dee sat in judgment of others while a known rule-breaking booster was running his program into the ground.

    Miami had a student lounge named after Shapiro. (His name has since been removed.)

    According to Yahoo!, Shapiro tried to punch out Miami's compliance director during an embarrassing loss to Virginia. Amazingly, the school did nothing to disassociate itself from Shapiro after that confrontation.

    Shapiro was so ingrained that he led the Hurricanes onto the field. Twice.

    School president Donna Shalala is pictured in a Yahoo! story holding a $50,000 donation while standing next to Shapiro.

    All that isn't as jaw-dropping as what Dee told the Palm Beach Post on Tuesday.

    "We didn't have any suspicion that he was doing anything like this," he said. "He didn't do anything to cause concern."

    Scores of coaches and administrators have said the same thing to Dee and his committee. They have been ignored and sent to NCAA jail. But look at the statement above. Substitute the names Pete Carroll for Paul Dee in relation to Lloyd Lake in the USC case and you could have used the same quote.

    It's one thing to ignore Shapiro. It's an insult to our intelligence for any high-ranking Miami administrator to say they had no idea what he was all about.

    "Karma," said one individual affected by that USC decision, "is a bitch."

    Miami football was so rife with corruption in '95 that Sports Illustrated famously stated on one of its covers, "Why the University of Miami should drop football"

    After the NCAA gets through this latest scandal, school officials may have no option but to self-impose a death penalty. Yahoo! stated that 72 players and seven coaches who at least had knowledge of the situation were involved.

    High-profile compliance? Please.

    You have to wonder how the NCAA vets its committee members.

    Current chairman Dennis Thomas has been commissioner of the Mid-Eastern Athletic Conference for the last 10 years. Under his watch, two of his schools were slapped with major penalties within three months of each other in 2006 (Savannah State, Florida A&M).

    Previously, Thomas spent 12 years as AD at Hampton University. In 1991, the football program he inherited was put on probation following a grade-changing scandal.

    Let's say it again: Couldn't the NCAA find someone clean, or cleaner?

    In doesn't end there. Former chairman Jack Friedenthal is being sued by former Buffalo coach Tim Cohane in a case that stretches back 10 years. Cohane was given a two-year show cause order as part of a recruiting violations case. Friedenthal, the faculty athletics rep at George Washington, currently sits on NCAA appeals committee.

    He is believed to be the first infractions committee member to be sued personally.

    These are the people judging NCAA wrongdoers. Suddenly, a guy like Shapiro looks like some sort of savior. Not only is he singing to the NCAA like Christina Aguilera on Red Bull, he is lifting a veil on a hidden process.

    If you're worried about the source, ratting out is what guys do when they're wronged. The NCAA is more than happy to listen. USC's case likely never would have come to light if only Bush had paid convicted felon Lloyd Lake the $300,000 he owed him.

    Laying low is what guys like Dee should do when they've been caught in a sickening web of hypocrisy. Paul Dee does not lay low. For years he was the bombastic, contentious AD at the U. After one Labor Day night loss at home to Florida State, he flew into a rage and kicked the media out of the Miami locker room basically because his team had lost. He was later rebuked in a letter sent by the Football Writers Association of America.

    It's going to get real bad for Miami real soon. Coach Al Golden must be wondering a) why he took the job and b) well, there really isn't a b). If half of this stuff is true, Miami is going to be hit with big-time NCAA penalties. Golden might see his career stalled like a dinghy out of gas in Biscayne Bay.

    At least he is young enough to have a future. Dee has only a sordid and hypocritical legacy with Miami and the NCAA.


Miami is screwed, big time. I'm generally of the opinion that we'll never see another death penalty handed down by the NCAA, but ... I'm not so sure of that after letting all this sink in. If any case since the SMU one has called for it, this is the one.

At the very least, there should be a punishment coming that is much harsher than what USC received. I wonder if Sports Illustrated will revisit their (in)famous 1995 cover next week.
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Remember right now the NCAA is meeting to rework the whole system supposedly because it doesn't work. Everything we are told is on the table including paying players so this shouldn't happen. We'll see.

Makes what happened at Ohio State pretty insignificant.



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Here's a question; will paying players put an end to this? Because for every player that gets benefits to help pay the rent or help out their parents, there's probably another who is simply just greedy. The latter would still accept the gifts, regardless of payments rendered.



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No, paying players won't help a bit. It'll make this crap worse. Not to mention it's completely unworkable, so I really don't understand why people even attempt to argue for it. Which players get paid? In which sports? Different amounts for different players? How does Title IX fit in? What if your school isn't making money to begin with? How do you compete then?

It's ridiculous in every way and I hate that it's the conversation being had this morning on talk radio as I drove to work, instead of "hey, how badly do we need to punish Miami to get people to take this seriously?"
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A good chunk of players already get paid its called scholarships. I will never heard understand this rational about paying players. Yes, they can't get jobs, but how could they hold a job when there is no off season anymore with "recommended" practices. If Ohio State doesn't get much, I doubt Miami will too. People also have to look past the "Every school pays players" argument and look at the bounties. No every school does that. To me this screams death penalty. Yet, someone will say they bring in money even though they have been irrelevant since 2003. Still, all of this cash didn't stop them from getting their heads kicked in by the Irish at the bowl game. Catholics vs. Future Convicts indeed.

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    Originally posted by wmatistic here
    And of course one of the lead writers for Yahoo is saying they have two more big stories that will break this year about other schools violations.

    He ranked this story an 8, the story to come shortly a 6-7 and one to hit in August as a 10.

    Why he would know the story wouldn't be coming out until August I don't get, but I'm sure we'll hear tons of speculation between now and then and the other news outlets will likely try to figure it out and be first to report it.


I'd say this one qualifies as the 10. Man, OSU officials must be sending Miami flowers for this one.
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    Originally posted by wmatistic
    and one to hit in August as a 10.


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September 17: Ohio State at Miami.



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    Originally posted by JayJayDean
      Originally posted by wmatistic
      and one to hit in August as a 10.


    PLEASEBEOREGONPLEASEBEOREGONPLEASEBEOREGONJUSTDOIT

    September 17: Ohio State at Miami.






Unless Phil Knight is sending recruits to child prostitutes near Nike's Asian plants, this is the 10.
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D'oh! It's August? I thought it was February...



Holy fuck shit motherfucker shit. Read comics. Fuck shit shit fuck shit I sold out when I did my job. Fuck fuck fuck shit fuck. Sorry had to do it....

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    Originally posted by Reverend J Shaft
      Originally posted by wmatistic here
      And of course one of the lead writers for Yahoo is saying they have two more big stories that will break this year about other schools violations.

      He ranked this story an 8, the story to come shortly a 6-7 and one to hit in August as a 10.

      Why he would know the story wouldn't be coming out until August I don't get, but I'm sure we'll hear tons of speculation between now and then and the other news outlets will likely try to figure it out and be first to report it.


    I'd say this one qualifies as the 10. Man, OSU officials must be sending Miami flowers for this one.


Yeah I heard some blip that Pryor admitted this week that he did get money or a car or something like that, so he wouldn't have been eligible and could enter the supplemental draft. Bet he's happy with the timing, it was glossed over quickly.
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    Originally posted by El Nastio
    Here's a question; will paying players put an end to this? Because for every player that gets benefits to help pay the rent or help out their parents, there's probably another who is simply just greedy. The latter would still accept the gifts, regardless of payments rendered.


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    Originally posted by JayJayDean
      Originally posted by wmatistic
      and one to hit in August as a 10.


    PLEASEBEOREGONPLEASEBEOREGONPLEASEBEOREGONJUSTDOIT

    September 17: Ohio State at Miami.


It's not a 10, but an Oregon player did make a small splash today. If the Miami story hadn't happened this would probably be a whole lot less funny to me. Alas, I find it to be freaking hilarious. ("WE SMOKED IT ALL, OFFICER!")
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Man, Mizzou's hiring Haith from Miami to be it's basketball coach just keeps looking better and better!
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    Originally posted by MUTigermask
    Man, Mizzou's hiring Haith from Miami to be it's basketball coach just keeps looking better and better!


K-State getting the Brown Brothers looks great too but the NCAA says they are okay.



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    Originally posted by DrDirt
      Originally posted by MUTigermask
      Man, Mizzou's hiring Haith from Miami to be it's basketball coach just keeps looking better and better!


    K-State getting the Brown Brothers looks great too but the NCAA says they are okay.


The Brown brothers, Marve and Charles have had their schools say they are "eligble" but I don't think that means much. Miami fans have taken it to mean things aren't as bad as they seem or can't be proven, but remember that Ohio State's players were "cleared" to play in a bowl game too at one point. And there's so much data here I don't think the NCAA even in five months can get through it all. I think it's more of a "we don't have the evidence pinned down yet to rule someone ineligible so at this point you're okay". Play them at your own risk basically.
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