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#1 Posted on
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/lhletter1.html

Apparently the kid who became a mad pipe bomber recently, was not only a violent moron, but just HAPPENED to be a psycho-liberal who published his own little manifesto. The bulk of which was NOT shown by the media, but rather hidden, much like his leftist public showings. If this isn't a clear message how biased the media is, I really don't know what is. Outside of what they did for Kennedy and against Nixon.
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Dude, what's wrong with caring? That's what "leftism" is supposed to be, anyway. Stop trying to pin PipeBombings on being liberal. That's very prickish, I must say.
Also, have you met a good liberal today? I mean, one who actually reads, and can communicate? There are some, trust me.
And SU was NOT communist, or even leftist. It was EXTREMELY right wing anti-liberalism, I just think the flag looked cool.
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"Dude, what's wrong with caring? That's what "leftism" is supposed to be, anyway. Stop trying to pin PipeBombings on being liberal. That's very prickish, I must say."

I'm not trying to pin him on being liberal, he says it himself. Constantly. His views and backings are liberal, all of them, so why he WOULDN'T be a liberal, I have no idea.

Now you're really missing the point. I have problems with liberals, mostly because they FALSELY claim to "care" and thus win people over. But if the mass of America would take time to examine positions liberals advocate, you'd realize how backward their positions are. How they don't do anything for people, but just advance an agenda. But all of that is NOT what this post is about. It's about showing that the media is completely biased, and how it basically sucks the mass of America into believing the liberal viewpoint just because they are fed the facts in a liberal-light, and are led to believe conservatives are evil demons who want to destroy and oppress everything.

And who said anything about the Soviet Union? o.O
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You do have a point, Boromir.

If this guy was a "gun nut," or a secessionist, or some sort of anti-technology zealot (think Waco, think Ted Kaczynski), you know he'd be labeled a "right-wing extremist." That's a label applied easily and often to whoever this month's psycho is.

And, Saruman, what does any of this have to do with "caring"? Boromir was not saying liberalism leads to pipe-bombing, he was just talking about media coverage of said pipe-bombing. And how can you say the Soviet Union was not a communist state?



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Well it's easy to say the Soviet Union wasn't communist, because it wasn't. Not in the slighest, aside from a few things collectivized and 5-year plans. It was more a strange mixture of socialism and communism, because while things were collectivized, there were in the hands of the government, who did things poorly in that country because, like all men, they craved power and were easily corrupted.
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#6 Posted on

    Originally posted by PalpatineW
    If this guy was a "gun nut," or a secessionist, or some sort of anti-technology zealot (think Waco, think Ted Kaczynski), you know he'd be labeled a "right-wing extremist." That's a label applied easily and often to whoever this month's psycho is.


As is "liberal media," despite the media being owned by a conglomerate of under 10 companies, all of which are in the money making game.



And how can you say the Soviet Union was not a communist state?


probably due to the non-communist qualitites of the Soviet Union, but I could be wrong.



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*shrug* the kid's got liberal leanings. Now I know. Thanks man. Hey how'd you find out? I mean, if the liberal media censors everything that might give liberals a bad name, how'd the word leak out?

Anyway, my point is that I've never met any person who wasn't biased in some way or in some form. Some people might just want to think about it logically, and then listen to what they consider the liberal media, and then listen to the conservative media, and try to find a happy middle ground in between. Of course, they then assume that the middle ground contains "The Truth". Which it does not.

Blah.

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"As is "liberal media," despite the media being owned by a conglomerate of under 10 companies, all of which are in the money making game."

Yes, your point? It just doesn't matter that the reporters, the editors, the ones bringing and writing the stories for presentation are all in the Left and bias their reports as such? Not to mention that there ARE, you know, countries outside of the United States.

"if the liberal media censors everything that might give liberals a bad name, how'd the word leak out?"

They don't CENSOR, they are either biased or just conveniently leave facts out for others to find, that's all.

"Some people might just want to think about it logically, and then listen to what they consider the liberal media, and then listen to the conservative media, and try to find a happy middle ground in between..."

Yes, that's good. And that's exactly how I came about my views, I looked at both sides and just thought about both. Whatever felt right and thought out logically, I believed. It just so happened that about 99% of the time, those thoughts were "conservative".

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Now that it matters anyway. The majority of people who consider themselves liberal generally feel disenfranchised with the American government, and big business and such, and have a tendency to vote less frequently than those who consider themselves conservative. Whatever. I'm a liberal. I probably disagree with a hell of a lot of liberals, and can probably get along with a lot more conservatives than I've been led to believe. It's all just a wacky world we live in, and humans are pretty fucked up. My plan? I'll tell all those "USA: Love it or Leave it" people to help fund my own country, so I can get the hell out and not have everybody in the world depressing me all the time.

Geez. I love the politics forum. I don't even know what I'm trying to say here anymore.

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"Yes, your point? . . . Not to mention that there ARE, you know, countries outside of the United States."

The point is that these conglomerates don't let stories that rock the boat get out, liberal or conservative. And I do realize that there are countries outside of the US, but don't understand the relevance of that.

Liberals complain about a conservative media, and conservatives complain about the opposite. Amazingly, neither side has realized that they are being led on by these multinational corpoorations, which could give a damn about what bias they seem to present, as long as nothing that would rile people up enough to change things gets out.

"It just doesn't matter that the reporters, the editors, the ones bringing and writing the stories for presentation are all in the Left and bias their reports as such? "

they told you about their plan to do this, or did Bill O'Reilley (who would not profit at all from leading one to believe this)?



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There seems to be mad love for the Soviet Union up in this piece.

evil Mr. Hunt - What makes a true communist state? One in which "the people" own and operate everything together? What is the government, other than the administrative arm of "the people?" Just trying to play devil's advocate.

God is an absentee landlord!

(Still playing devil's advocate).

Does anyone here think a "true" communism would be a desirable form of government?



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#12 Posted on
I think that one deserves a new thread, and not to go here.

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I do to, but I'll just throw out that the true communist state is just the first step on the road to an anarchic state. The Soviet Union decided to stop, among other things that are not found in communist writings.



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OK, I read the manifesto (I actually read it earlier, as the letter was sent to my alma matter's student paper), and I have to say, what is "liberal" about it? To me his philosophy seems to be a strange mix of Buddha, Sesame Street, and Ayn Rand. That letter to me says "this guy is crazy." Why so quick to label him a "liberal?"

If this guy was a "gun nut," or a secessionist, or some sort of anti-technology zealot (think Waco, think Ted Kaczynski), you know he'd be labeled a "right-wing extremist." That's a label applied easily and often to whoever this month's psycho is.

I missed where the media labeled the Unibomber or David Koresh as right-wing extremists.



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"The point is that these conglomerates don't let stories that rock the boat get out, liberal or conservative. And I do realize that there are countries outside of the US, but don't understand the relevance of that."

Mmmmhmm. Corporations control everything, gotcha slick. Should I start wearing my aluminum foil helmet now, so that I can protect myself from their brain-monitoring devices as well? And I didn't see you say 'multinational', my point was going to be that there are other countries besides us, that have their own media groups and such.

"Liberals complain about a conservative media, and conservatives complain about the opposite. Amazingly, neither side has realized that they are being led on by these multinational corpoorations, which could give a damn about what bias they seem to present, as long as nothing that would rile people up enough to change things gets out. they told you about their plan to do this, or did Bill O'Reilley (who would not profit at all from leading one to believe this)?"

Since when have liberals complained about a conservative media? Not once have I seen or heard such a thing, and not once have I seen a major news source EVER print anything that might show a conservative in a good light, unless said conservative is advocating a liberal position. And I believe I already addressed your quite humorous Nader-esque corporation bit. And it's not that hard to see that's exactly what they do, go out and find some books on media bias. Go and get "A History of the American People" by Paul Johnson, and flip to the section about Kennedy and Nixon. Get the book by the former CBS worker who exposes how sickening biased the media is. The facts are there to find, my friend, if you care to go look for them instead smoking a bowl and attending Green Party communes. And by the way, I don't listen to Bill O'Reilley. Uber-conservatives give us normal ones a really bad name.
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Since when have liberals complained about a conservative media? Not once have I seen or heard such a thing,

I'm guession this is because you don't hang out with a lot of liberals. Go read the Village Voice (or any other of the liberal urban weekly's). You'll see "while the major media ignored the story" at least 10 times every issue. Trust me, Liberals complain A LOT about the major media. Genreally the biggest source of complaints is that they don't report most abuses of power by those in power unl;ess they have to
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and not once have I seen a major news source EVER print anything that might show a conservative in a good light

Right. The press sure hammered that George W. Bush guy.

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#17 Posted on
so, the fact that reporters may vote Democratic is deathly important, but we can ignore that their bosses are generally in bed with the government and tend to not cover stories that might actually bring some sort of institutional change in this country around? Makes sense to me.



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"I'm guession this is because you don't hang out with a lot of liberals. Go read the Village Voice (or any other of the liberal urban weekly's). You'll see "while the major media ignored the story" at least 10 times every issue. Trust me, Liberals complain A LOT about the major media. Genreally the biggest source of complaints is that they don't report most abuses of power by those in power unl;ess they have to"

They don't have reason to complain, though. The media is 100% liberal-biased, and not a day goes by when they don't demonize yet another conservative, or skeet-shoot at another conservative position. Just watch the news sometime, lord...and "abuses of power"? Explain that. That little phrase there always pissed me off, because nobody in this country seems to respect or abide by AUTHORITY. There's law and government in this country for a reason, and if we just all decided to ignore it and go willy-nilly, then we wouldn't HAVE a human race anymore. It'd be complete chaos. Sure, we need to check up on politicians and make sure they don't try to pull a Palpatine, but nine times out of ten whatever "abuse of power" was pulled wasn't even harmful to the public in the first place.

"Right. The press sure hammered that George W. Bush guy."

Yes, they did. Ooh, post-9/11 praise for our leader. OF COURSE THAT HAPPENED!!!! WE HAD TO RALLY AS A COUNTRY!!! Did you want them to sit and dissect Bush's faults, one by one, as they had been doing before? Or would you have them actually try to instill pride in the people? Christ.

"so, the fact that reporters may vote Democratic is deathly important, but we can ignore that their bosses are generally in bed with the government and tend to not cover stories that might actually bring some sort of institutional change in this country around? Makes sense to me."

Ah, I see your point, gotcha there Nader.

LISTEN, I more than anyone know how big money pays off some of the more dumb-assed Republicans and the Democrats too, whenever they get in power. It's annoying as hell, and that's why McCain should've been the President. But again money did win out there, which was disgusting. And we need checks on "campaign donations" and the like, yes. But the real world is NOT Deus Ex. Business are NOT pulling the strings of the government. They are getting a little fat and bloated on their wealth and power, sure, but they aren't cornholing the entire country into being a giant consumer market. Lighten up, Francis.
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"The media is 100% liberal-biased, and not a day goes by when they don't demonize yet another conservative, or skeet-shoot at another conservative position."

like anybody who questions capitalism or the success of the bombing campaign in Afghanistan or the logic of blindly supporting Israel or invading Iraq or any other number of things that are never criticized in the mainstream press, right?

and I do enjoy how you naturally assumed I was a communist Green party member. Just because I realize the media is capitalistic in nature, and not liberal, does not make me a liberal. It merely means I am not blind.



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"like anybody who questions capitalism or the success of the bombing campaign in Afghanistan or the logic of blindly supporting Israel or invading Iraq or any other number of things that are never criticized in the mainstream press, right?"

No, they are NOT criticized in the media. They might get yelled at by Chris Matthews, MAYBE, but that'd be the extent of the criticizing. And look at the issues!! Liberal positions on these are so lost and floating away from logic, it's sad..

Capitalism - I agree here, I am not fond of capitalism. But every other system we've come up with has been so much worse. If you don't want "big money buying politicians", go have a National Socialist country. I'll be here, you know, still alive and enjoying leisure time.

Bombing Campaign - Well, of course you should question it. Instead of sending in anti-terrorist squads, Marine and Navy Seal Special Forces, dumb idiot Bush decides to have a generic military campaign to basically blow up dirt and kill the tiny minions of bin Laden. Why? Because the mass of America, again the stem of the problems, wanted to see pictures and explosions instead of true, cloak and dagger results.

"Blindly" supporting Israel - Hm. The lone democracy in a vast sea of dictatorships, a country for a people persecuted over millenia and have been continually hunted and also searching for a place to belong, a country under attack by terrorists who use Vietcong tactics to turn popular opinion through the media against them, I wonder why we support them??

Invading Iraq - ::Shrugs:: I have no opinion here one way or another. Saddam is a dirtbag and that's it. Although Clinton-esque bombings to stave attention away from scandal is dumb.

"and I do enjoy how you naturally assumed I was a communist Green party member. Just because I realize the media is capitalistic in nature, and not liberal, does not make me a liberal"

No, I assumed you were a Green party member from all the "CORPORATIONS CONTROL EVERYTHING AND OWN OUR SOULS!" paranoia. And the media is capitalistic and liberal in nature, it's both.
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