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|  #1 Posted on 23.9.08 1202.40 | Instant Rating: 8.40 | Ok.
You are rich people. A certain segment of the population wants you to like them. They look up to you. When they meet you, they are looking for something - ANYTHING - as a touch-point to build rapport or to kiss your ass.
This is why people tell you that they like your stupid mannerisms. They look at you, think of your signature move, and then give a huckster laugh and smile and say how much they enjoy when you do your performance.
No one really likes your mannerisms. Everyone who tells you that they do is kissing your ass and disingenuous.
Please, look past it and stop being such buffoons.
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| #2 Posted on 23.9.08 1740.31 | Instant Rating: 2.94 | I'm confused.
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| #3 Posted on 23.9.08 2027.40 | Instant Rating: 4.54 | Originally posted by dwaters
I'm confused.
Shane likes to dance.
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| #4 Posted on 23.9.08 2138.56 | Instant Rating: 4.91 | Originally posted by PeterStork
Originally posted by dwaters
I'm confused.
Shane likes to dance.
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| #5 Posted on 23.9.08 2212.17 | Instant Rating: 8.40 | They, the people, need to stop putting themselves on TV as characters that are stupid and awful.
I thought I put this in wrestling. I dunno.
The only explanation I can come up with is that they are so surrounded by fans and yes men that they actually think they are entertaining.
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| #6 Posted on 23.9.08 2244.46 | Instant Rating: 4.48 | Originally posted by Guru Zim
They, the people, need to stop putting themselves on TV as characters that are stupid and awful.
I thought I put this in wrestling. I dunno.
The only explanation I can come up with is that they are so surrounded by fans and yes men that they actually think they are entertaining.
Like all characters, they age and refuse to recognize their newfound irrelevance. And you're right: they're at the top and no one has the balls the size of grapefruits necessary to clue them in that it's been a long time since the Mr. McMahon of 1999.
There was a time when I was a mark for Shane, circa 2001. I dug the dance, the suplexes from Angle, and just about everything else he did in and out of the ring. But now it's seven years later, Angle's down south bitching about guitars and Shane has more gray than hex code #CCCCCC. And no one wants to see him, his sister or his father on a regular basis, nor in cameos that do little but undercut the credibility of a struggling General Manager. Find a good use, okay. But with a decade of the promotion being centered around "who's in power," it would be nice to have neutral leadership - no face or heel GMs, just figureheads like the Presidents of old - and let the wrestlers be the stars. At least Vickie and Adamle are light years ahead of the days of Bischoff and Steph.
There's also the old theory that the McMahon's made themselves the centerpiece of the promotion so that they were guaranteed stars that wouldn't defect. They hardly have to worry about that now.
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| #7 Posted on 25.9.08 1439.16 | Instant Rating: 4.92 | Originally posted by PeterStork
There's also the old theory that the McMahon's made themselves the centerpiece of the promotion so that they were guaranteed stars that wouldn't defect. They hardly have to worry about that now.
I think that's the salient point. The competition for stars went away, Austin retired, Steph split from HHH (in character), and the reason for McMahons in the show hasn't been terribly compelling since, even if Vince remained a fairly strong antagonist (You have control over the book, you can be as relevant as you like).
This is one instance where having little competition hurts the product, if not necessarily the bottom line. You can book a select handful of top-line performers to carry the story forward for years, but the supporting cast gets stale, and developmental debuts don't have quite the same oomph as when you could bring someone in from the other promotion. As in someone the audience already knows.
Gone are the days where Jim Niedhart can make his big return as Jim Neidhart. You can bring back Test, Cryme Tyme, Big Show - but if they haven't been doing anything of note since they went off the show, it's not going to get the pop that a Curt Hennig or Rick Rude defection once did.
Shane and Steph have wisely moved off camera, so on the rare occasions they show up, it's a little more interesting. But Vince moving from feuds with Austin to Hogan to HHH to HBK to Lashley without a break for the character.. I mean, you know you'll get a decent, gimmicked-to-the-max PPV match, and some good interviews. But for the most part it seemed like the Vince character was there in a JTTS role - the feuds could be entertaining, but never of critical import. More something to keep a star occupied.
(Note: I haven't watched since WM, so if McMahon-a-mania is running wild again, I'm blissfully unaware.)
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