Originally posted by Reverend J ShaftYes, he will probably get a little boost in payoff
He will probably make close to seven figures in one night. Show/Akebono was not promoted as a main event, and Lashley and Umaga weren't paid as main eventers since Vince and Trump drew the buyrate (part of the reason Lashley was in such a foul mood).
Again, it will do JACK and SQUAT for his CAREER.
Working Carlito & Masters in the opener ... ECW title matches with RVD and Sabu ... or the first- or second-most promoted match on Wrestlemania against a mainstream sports name. This is the biggest match of his career since the main event of Wrestlemania 2000. It's the reason he came back to begin with.
1) Fans know it will suck, and 2) Fans already know who's going to win.
A generous 2% of the million people who will buy this show know this.
Originally posted by Reverend J ShaftAgain, it will do JACK and SQUAT for his CAREER.
I think it depends which career you're talking about. Show seemed quite happy away from the ring, and this is the just the kind of buzz generator that could help a fledgling actor. Not to mention the payoff, which is the sort of deal that could almost make the conspiracy theorist in me wonder if Hogan's been in his ear lately...
I could honestly see Show thinking this could be a start for him acting. He's already got a couple of big screen credits under his belt and if he just wants to get a couple of sweet paydays and work a leisurely schedule until a good gig comes along, maybe he thinks this is the way to go.
Look, I only have history to go on (see: Bart Gunn, Bam Bam six months after their BIG matches) which is why I still think this is an incredibly bad idea. But since Justin seems determined to hammer every opinion I have, I will simply bow to his superior prognostication abilities. I hope the Big Show match is entertaining as I'll be ordering WM, but I'm not looking forward to it AT ALL.
Good Reverend, I was only determined to friendlily debate one opinion you have in the name fun. I very much agree with you pro-Steve Guttenberg stance. I'm not looking forward to the match either, I mean it's going to be a boxer versus the Big Show expecting Shane McMahon and torn bicep Rey Mysterio to save the match. Plus I think Mayweather is going to get booed which will be even more awkward. But if someone offered me a very large payoff to have a bad match and allow my nose to get broken, I'd be like, cha-ching [cash register SFX!].
P.S. 2% of a million was a ridiculous number, I meant 20% but that number was based on WWE's core audience that buys every PPV, which still doesn't make sense as a correlation to the number of internet fans who will buy Mania. All I meant was if everyone knowing Vince was getting his head shaved and not Trump didn't stop them from buying that, I don't think it will stop them from buying this.
ESPN's slowly picking up on this story and it just made today's Pardon The Interruption.
It should be noted that Wilbon (an old-school AWA fan - who knew?) is VERY skeptical that Mayweather will actually get $20M for his work while TK actually thinks Mayweather will back out (!) before the big night comes.
Either way, WWE's starting to get that mainstream exposure they've been wanting for years.
Originally posted by It's FalseEither way, WWE's starting to get that mainstream exposure they've been wanting for years.
Didn't they get it last year for Trump? And K-Fed? And, well, Benoit. First two points being, it's good for the one-time deal but doesn't have any legs after the big showdown takes place. It didn't make John Cena or Bobby Lashley any bigger, at least.
Originally posted by BigDaddyLocoJust what kind of buys did his big fight with De La Hoya get? What about his non De La Hoya fights? Does he pull in big numbers for boxing?
According to Wikipedia, Mayweather/DLH got 2.4M buys (which set a record, besting Tyson/Holyfield II).
As for his last fight vs. Ricky Hatton, Wikipedia doesn't say, but if I remember right, it was somewhere near 850,000 buys (someone can feel free to correct this if I'm off).
Mayweather is a draw, just not the draw they think he is. His recent fights (against guys other that Oscar De La Hoya and Ricky Hatton) have averaged just over 350,000 buys, and the incredible number for the De La Hoya fight was because it was a De La Hoya fight.
De La Hoya/Mayweather was the perfect storm as far as boxing is concerned, and no Mayweather fight on the horizon (other than a rematch with De La Hoya) will ever approach that level again.
Guerrero to a bigger extent than Angle and really not far behind Benoit. It's an unwinnable war to try and eliminate steroids and HGH and the like from sports, and even more unwinnable with pro wrestling where there is a huge emphasis on how you look.