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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.35
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-This week's edition of Raw did just a 3.4 cable rating, with a 5 share, which is way down from last week's 3.9. The highest rated segment of the show was the 3.9 that they did for the overrun. The show did hours of 3.3 and 3.6.

Weekend Numbers (last week in Brackets): Velocity 0.5(0.6).. Heat 0.8(0.9)... Experience did a 0.7(0.7)-


Raw did a 3.4 with hours of [3.3, 3.6, 3.9-OR] down from last weeks 3.9 [3.7, 4.1, 4.5-OR]... I don't even know what to say, how can a show build as well as this get the lowest rating in 2004. Does this mean Judgement Day is going to get a great buyrate because obviously a good build and nice set up means nothing.

I've looked around and seen some excuses from the opening match ruined the momentum of the show with the fast run in... I heard Orton/Edge at the 10PM is what did it.

But I'm sorry I have to focus on the main event, it is guys that we all like and are rooting for. But they had a big build, big match, and the number didn't deliver... As someone who's been disappointed and against this storyline ever since Wrestlemania. I felt the angle and character all taken a step backwards since WM & made me disinterested in them. But I just thought I was just in the minority, but I guess not.

This has to effect WWE thoughts of pushing either of these guys as a main event. If they are on the fence I can see them going with a Batista or Flair and I can't blame them. Flair & Batista in tag matches vs. Benoit & Edge (or HBK) kept the ratings strong... But overall just very disappointing, overall it was a quality program and for it to have this happen to it, it must be frustrating for them.





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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.76
    Originally posted by Net Hack Slasher
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    -This week's edition of Raw did just a 3.4 cable rating, with a 5 share, which is way down from last week's 3.9. The highest rated segment of the show was the 3.9 that they did for the overrun. The show did hours of 3.3 and 3.6.

    Weekend Numbers (last week in Brackets): Velocity 0.5(0.6).. Heat 0.8(0.9)... Experience did a 0.7(0.7)-


    Raw did a 3.4 with hours of [3.3, 3.6, 3.9-OR] down from last weeks 3.9 [3.7, 4.1, 4.5-OR]... I don't even know what to say, how can a show build as well as this get the lowest rating in 2004.


Because May is Sweeps month, and the networks are all running their big storylines now.




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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.43
"As someone who's been disappointed and against this storyline ever since Wrestlemania. I felt the angle and character all taken a step backwards since WM & made me disinterested in them. But I just thought I was just in the minority, but I guess not."

Yep, I'd certainly say that this entire drop of half a point is entirely because people don't like the Trish heel turn. That'd hold some kinda water if the ratings had dropped when it became apparent that JeriChristian were getting the ME slot, but they went up for the second half of the show so boo on that theory.

I'd peg it as a combo of the two-minute opening match stupidity and the sweeps thing.



Once upon a time in China, some believe, around the year one double-ought three, head priest of the White Lotus Clan, Pai Mei was walking down the road, contemplating whatever it is that a man of Pai Mei's infinite power contemplates - which is another way of saying "who knows" - when a Shaolin monk appeared, traveling in the opposite direction. As the monk and the priest crossed paths, Pai Mei, in a practically unfathomable display of generosity, gave the monk the slightest of nods. The nod was not returned. Now was it the intention of the Shaolin monk to insult Pai Mei or did he just fail to see the generous social gesture? The motives of the monk remain unknown. What is known, are the consequences. The next morning Pai Mei appeared at the Shaolin Temple and demanded of the Temple's head abbot that he offer Pai Mei his neck to repay the insult. The Abbot at first tried to console Pai Mei, only to find Pai Mei was inconsolable. So began the massacre of the Shaolin Temple and all 60 of the monks inside at the fists of the White Lotus. And so began the legend of Pai Mei's five point palm exploding heart technique.
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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.00
I think the ratings got hurt because the people in the main storyline for the past few months were done for the night in the first 15 minutes of the show.

I like Jericho and Christian but I believed their feud lost its luster a while ago. Even in a cage match, that match just didn't seem like a big blowoff to a major feud.
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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.11
The reason for the low rating:

World champion Chris Benoit wasnīt on the show!


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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.22
I think dissecting ratings trends over the course of one night gets too subjective to be worth anything. Yeah, there were bone-headed booking moves on Monday but there have been of weeks where they did worse and the ratings didn't suffer at all. It's hard to anticipate trends, but I don't think WWE bases their decisions on quarter-hours. When they decide to push someone they do so, regardless of the shrieking protest from the audience. And if they intend to push Jericho, which I'll believe when I see it, they will.



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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.11
This kinda surprises me, only because the last few weeks have been regarded by most (granted, on the internet) as the best RAW's in a LONG time.

So the fact that this did a LOWER rating than usual is kind of, like I said, surprising.



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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.08
I blame it on the fact that everything on the show has been done before. The matches have been fine, but there's no water-cooler buzz for Benjamin, Orton, HHH, Batista, or Edge.

I maintain that the only two people at this very second that mainstream America might even possibly care about are John Cena and Eugene. And guess what? Cena's on Smackdown.
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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.00
The show was built up like a pay per view, with everyone knowing the card pre-RAW. This means no surprises which draws in many marks, and all in all it wasn't a great show in the first place.



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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.64
I know it's sweeps but, was there really anything big on, on Monday? I can't seem to remember. So I don't know how much of an effect sweeps could've had on their rating. It's just sad though that it didn't do higher since the show overall was great.




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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.54
> Raw did a 3.4 with hours of [3.3, 3.6, 3.9-OR]
> down from last weeks 3.9 [3.7, 4.1, 4.5-OR]...
> I don't even know what to say, how can a show
> build as well as this get the lowest rating in 2004.

This show was built around five matches:

1) Trip vs Benjamin

Ended(?) in a schmozz in just a couple of minutes
with "new star" Benjamin disappearing into thin
air so the WWE could focus again on Trip vs Shawn
which is staler than Liz Taylor and Richard Burton.

So if you tuned in to see Shelton Benjamin... *click*

2) Batista vs Tajiri

I don't believe many tuned in to see this. Decent,
though why Batista needs to bump for a guy who is
going nowhere fast is beyond me. Shouldn't that
rub be going to someone they might actually push?

I don't believe anyone tuned in to see this... *click*

3) Edge vs Orton

Thirty seconds of shoving, thirty seconds of side
headlock, and twenty seconds of staring at each
other. Almost two minutes into the match and they
hadn't done one single move. Then later Orton went
to the chinlocky nonsense from hell for four minutes!

People tuned in to see this and it lost them... *click*

4) Eugene vs whoever

Did Eugene's opponent matter? Not really. This was
his debut which made for decent midcard filler at best.

Tune in, tune out. Eugene's going nowhere... *click*

5) Jericho vs Christian

This feud is Luger vs Tatanka 2004 with a bundle of
gradually less heated and inconclusive matches leading
to a cage match blowoff on free TV. Obviously this
didn't have viewers tuning in late for the main event.
Maybe if they hadn't already seen it at Mania, the day
after Mania... etc.

This feud could fill a comp tape by itself, but no one
would be willing to pay for such a tape... *click*

Frank

(So Christian vs Matt is up next? Jericho was slumming.)
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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.78
This feud could fill a comp tape by itself, but no one
would be willing to pay for such a tape... *click*

I for one, enjoy the fact that a fued is lasting more than two months. Slow buildup. Big turn and not just a one and out. I think WWE should do more of this.

As for them being the ratings killer, I just don't see it. They had the highest quarter hour -- and its not like the fans are sitting on their hands when these two are out there.
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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.30
    Originally posted by Boston Idol
    >Edge vs Orton

    Thirty seconds of shoving, thirty seconds of side
    headlock, and twenty seconds of staring at each
    other. Almost two minutes into the match and they
    hadn't done one single move. Then later Orton went
    to the chinlocky nonsense from hell for four minutes!

    People tuned in to see this and it lost them... *click*

    4) Eugene vs whoever

    Did Eugene's opponent matter? Not really.


The Edge/Orton match got the most heat of the night (except for Eugene, but thats a diff. phenomenon). The crowd was way into it towards the end - standing on their feet for the last 5 minutes or so. Gee, I hope they never do anything like that again. Orton's IC reign (despite his flaws) is helping to save the IC title from sheer ignominy. Orton is over, the match was over, Edge is kinda over.

Also, given that the show's ratings built from start to finish shows that those who actually did tune in were not exactly dissapointed. That contrasts your theory that they "clicked" the show off after they tenud in initially. Compare the numbers you quoted in your post - they're all off from last week by the same amount.

. . . but yeah, you're right, everything about last night sucked and nobody should ever watch WWE again cause it's all terrible and the company is going out of business and the entire roster sucks and everything sucks and saying that makes me the most smartestest of all and blah blah blah . . .

Lord knows that the internet needs more people who masquerade their cynicism as perceptiveness.

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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.11
The rating is really a product of people going back to the nets for sweeps. The CBS comedies had their season finales. That crappy show "Las Vegas" had its highest rating of the year on NBC.

Also, given that the second higest rated quarter hour except overrun was 10-10:15, the TV viewers didn't see the slow start to Edge/Orton and for someone reason I don't think a hot crowd and near falls turn off viewers.
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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.54
Hoodle posted:

> Lord knows that the internet needs more people
> who masquerade their cynicism as perceptiveness.

And more people who masquerade their sarcasm as philosophy?

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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.90
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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.37
OSH, I never said that the rating drop was cause of Trish's turn. Jeeze I actually liked her Mean Girl skit backstage. I think that this storyline has more then ran it's course, hell Y2J defeated BOTH Christian & Trish on a PPV setting, so what more do we need & NO adding an unknown like Tomko isn't enough to add a spark to keep it going. If they added a #1contendership stip into the match then I might can see the value... The overall number in both hours were down evenly from the previous week. -0.5 overall, -0.4 first hour, -0.5 second hour, -0.6 overrun. I don't think it's that silly to say that the long time angle that been hyped as main event for the first time could be somewhat to blame for drop. I like these 3 people, but the storyline is drawn out way too long & they should gone their separate ways much like Boston Idol & Hyabusa also said. If this was Bradshaw we wouldn't be using kid gloves like this.

I could be a real prick and say hey "Imagine how bad it would have been if it Jericho wasn't announced from New York for the match. Or maybe the announcement of Winnipeg the other weeks is what made the ratings drop"... I am of course kidding here because I don't think it makes a difference either way

**May 13, Smackdown Rating Added**

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-Last night's edition of Smackdown did a 3.1 broadcast rating, with a 5 share, according to Nielsen Media Research. That is up from last week's 2.8. The highest rated quarter-hour of the show was the 3.4 that they did for the last segment.-

Smackdown did a 3.1 with hours of (2.9, 3.3) was better then last weeks 2.8 (2.6, 3.0)... Even though the number is better, it's a bit of a downer that it finished 5th in the network race as it usually beats out Fox but Fox put Cops on during the night and that rating did better then SD. ABC did well too with their Lakers/Spurs game. NBC with Fraiser finale just beat out CBS Survivor/CSI combo for top spot.


(edited by Net Hack Slasher on 15.5.04 0155)

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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.43
"I don't think it's that silly to say that the long time angle that been hyped as main event for the first time could be somewhat to blame for drop."

Except nobody knew that said cage match was going to be the main event until the show actually began, and when it became clear that it was then the ratings climbed a little. Correlation? Probably not-but it's certainly more likely than people assuming that the match was going to go on last before the show even started and staying away because of it.



Once upon a time in China, some believe, around the year one double-ought three, head priest of the White Lotus Clan, Pai Mei was walking down the road, contemplating whatever it is that a man of Pai Mei's infinite power contemplates - which is another way of saying "who knows" - when a Shaolin monk appeared, traveling in the opposite direction. As the monk and the priest crossed paths, Pai Mei, in a practically unfathomable display of generosity, gave the monk the slightest of nods. The nod was not returned. Now was it the intention of the Shaolin monk to insult Pai Mei or did he just fail to see the generous social gesture? The motives of the monk remain unknown. What is known, are the consequences. The next morning Pai Mei appeared at the Shaolin Temple and demanded of the Temple's head abbot that he offer Pai Mei his neck to repay the insult. The Abbot at first tried to console Pai Mei, only to find Pai Mei was inconsolable. So began the massacre of the Shaolin Temple and all 60 of the monks inside at the fists of the White Lotus. And so began the legend of Pai Mei's five point palm exploding heart technique.
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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.54
There are people who, as a habit, tune in the final
hour or half-hour or fifteen minutes of a wrestling
show because they have been taught for years that
the "big" matches will occur at that time.

The second hour usually draws a bigger rating than
the first. The final quarter hour and the overrun
usually draw the highest rating of the night, even
when the final segment is not a big match.

That's why no one took the bump for the cage match
between Jericho and Christian seriously. Eugene's
debut would have gotten the same bump if it had been
booked into the final quarter hour of RAW.

What was important was that the whole show, from
start to finish, drew a very poor rating relative
to the recent average, despite hype on the website
for five supposedly important matches.

Frank
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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.43
A fair enough theory. My only point is that there's nothing in either way of looking at it that could be used to place the blame on the Jericho/Christian match.



Once upon a time in China, some believe, around the year one double-ought three, head priest of the White Lotus Clan, Pai Mei was walking down the road, contemplating whatever it is that a man of Pai Mei's infinite power contemplates - which is another way of saying "who knows" - when a Shaolin monk appeared, traveling in the opposite direction. As the monk and the priest crossed paths, Pai Mei, in a practically unfathomable display of generosity, gave the monk the slightest of nods. The nod was not returned. Now was it the intention of the Shaolin monk to insult Pai Mei or did he just fail to see the generous social gesture? The motives of the monk remain unknown. What is known, are the consequences. The next morning Pai Mei appeared at the Shaolin Temple and demanded of the Temple's head abbot that he offer Pai Mei his neck to repay the insult. The Abbot at first tried to console Pai Mei, only to find Pai Mei was inconsolable. So began the massacre of the Shaolin Temple and all 60 of the monks inside at the fists of the White Lotus. And so began the legend of Pai Mei's five point palm exploding heart technique.
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