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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.02
So the Torch has reported that the fed's original plan for Matt Haryd this past few months was to continue the losing streak angle on into WrestleMania, where he'd be matched up against Mark Henry and finally get a big win. The plan was then scrapped due to Henry's sudden injury. A few things spring to mind:

-This would indicate that management DOES actually give a shit about the guy in some way, and really are just waiting for the next opportunity to give him some kind of angle/push.
-I could've really got intot his, I think. Henry's heavy offense woudl've been a perfect fit for the "can he overcome the odds?" storyline, and the win probably would've given Hardy some good momentum for a post-Mania push.

Interesting news, to say the least.



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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.15
I think Hardy will be one of the few to really benefit from the re-draft. Perhaps he can get his little MF'er back? The tag team division is seriously lacking on both shows and there's no reason why they couldn't be tag team champions.

While I'd like to see Matt Hardy get a chance to carry a midcard singles program for an extended period of time, I really see him as a career tag team guy. He and Shannon Moore made an entertaining duo both in and out of the ring.
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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.95
Hardy is kinda weird, because there are signs that they want to push him. He's got a really elaborate entrance video and music, compared to low-carders like Stevie Richards and others. He's certainly show potential with the V-1 gimmick with the hand signal and other things. And JR always seems high on him when he calls his matches.

My guess is that he's just lost in the shuffle right now. And with Wrestlemania, they just had a limited number of feuds and time. So maybe they get around to pushing him this year..

Hopefully, they set him down the same path as Christian who was in a go-nowhere crybaby gimmick two years ago.



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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.04

I found his Matt fact from Monday night about him being underrated extremely ironic ...




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Yeah, I too found it incredibly ironic... more so when Jericho came out and absolutely beat the hell out of him. It served storyline purposes, but still. It's gettin' to the point where you have to make a bet.

Which will happen first: A pinfall/submission victory by Matt Hardy, or Spike Dudley actually making it to the ring for a match?



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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.85
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Oh yeah. And Matt Hardy is being wasted in his current role.

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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.41
    Originally posted by oldschoolhero
    So the Torch has reported that the fed's original plan for Matt Haryd this past few months was to continue the losing streak angle on into WrestleMania, where he'd be matched up against Mark Henry and finally get a big win. The plan was then scrapped due to Henry's sudden injury.


So wait, would their match have been a heel vs heel at WM? Or would one of them gone face before the PPV?



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Well, I think Matt would have been the out and out face in that match myself, but why put him up against Mark Henry? Geez... Why not put him in the Cruiserwight Battle Royal. With the Draft Lottery, it wouldn't really matter about him going to Smackdown! for one week (if he won the Cruiser strap)
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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.09
    Originally posted by Curlymessyfringe
    Well, I think Matt would have been the out and out face in that match myself, but why put him up against Mark Henry? Geez... Why not put him in the Cruiserwight Battle Royal. With the Draft Lottery, it wouldn't really matter about him going to Smackdown! for one week (if he won the Cruiser strap)


A smaller wrestler like Matt Hardy beating a guy who they call The World's Strongest Man would be a good idea to get his push started, in my book. I hear he's above the weight limit for cruisers now anyway, and he's got the kinda of style that would easily make him a contender with the heavyweights. Too bad it fell through, for Henry also since he didn't get the WMXX payday.



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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.19
This is a weird storyand I don't really buy it.

According to the Observer, Hardy didn't even know he was working a loosing streak story untill someone told him about the match commentary.

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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.48
That's a strange matchup for Wrestlemania. He'd have to turn babyface before Wrestlemania, add to that what Raw match will be left off for a Mark Henry singles match!?... I know I'd be in the minority here but I'd really be cheering for Mark Henry, he was really impressing me right before his injury, kind of sad he was my front runner for Most Improved since November.

As for Matt Hardy, I'd feel sorry for him if I knew he wasn't given a fair opportunity. He got that at Smackdown, did a great job at it and asked to leave to Raw where there was a abundant of heels just like him as he gets lost in the shuffle. Imagine if he stayed at Smackdown and allowed himself to continue to be build like he was before he asked to leave, he'd be a top 2 or 3 heel. Good Gawd Bob Holly got a WWE Title shot, what high on the card could Matt Hardy have been. There was a time his name was right along Chris Benoit and Eddie Guerrero(look at where they are now) as favorites for the U.S Title tournament... But he'd rather sniff around his girlfriends thong and go to Raw instead of asking her to come to SD(We'd miss out on he wrestling skillz, oh no!). So they can both sit on their asses backstage during Wrestlemania and watch Moolah and Mae Young get face time over them.



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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05
Mark Henry as "most improved"? The only changes were putting him w/ Long, and booking him stronger. Mark Henry himself really didn't do anything different.



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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.02
    Originally posted by Spaceman Spiff
    Mark Henry as "most improved"? The only changes were putting him w/ Long, and booking him stronger. Mark Henry himself really didn't do anything different.


I agree, I wouldn't exactly give Mark Henry a most improved award, but rather give the bookers some props for coming up with a way to use him about as effectivly as his talents allow. Theodore Long is pure gold about 95% of the time, why the hell has he not been on RAW?!?



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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.52
I agree with Slasher that Matt definately moved to Raw at the wrong time. There ould be much more for him to do on Smackdown right now.

I think its a real shame that broke up him and Lita in just one night on Raw without any real repricusions or story to go with. Seems like a complete waste of a cute little story that could have been used as a great compliment to the Jericho storyline.

Now, I love what Christian did in this sotry, but imagine if Matt Hardy was invovled instead. Dumping long time love Lita, to go with a heel Trish. Obviously things would have gone a little differently, but it was a perfect story for him to be invovled in.

Hardy is far from dead in the WWE though. Like someone said before he's just lost in the shuffle. He's a got a great little character, and I think the WWE likes his stuff, they're just waiting for the right moment to come for him.




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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.52
"I'd feel sorry for him if I knew he wasn't given a fair opportunity. He got that at Smackdown ... Imagine if he stayed at Smackdown and allowed himself to continue to be build like he was"

From August '02 to May '03, sure. Except you may (not) remember that he didn't do anything after he dropped the cruiserweight title, and wasn't on a PPV between* Wrestlemania and No Mercy -- where he, in fact, lost to Zach Gowen. His jump from Smackdown to Raw took him from going nowhere fast to going nowhere faster.

I'm pretty sure we already had this conversation once; I forget how it ended. I'm not going to imply jealousy over Matt's loving committed relationship this time though!

* besides the APA brawl, but come on.
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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.13
Henry's approved a ton. To believe the change is booking or Teddy Longs presence is silly.

I'm going to ignore the Teddy Long argument since I can't think of how Teddy Longs mic work would make Henry work better in the ring.

Booked stronger?

Mark Henry was put in the unenveyable task of being secondary non-Evolution heel.

This is jobber to the stars postion. It was what Arn Anderson excelled at. Top heel who jobs to face to set up Flair match. And well go back and watch Chris Jericho when he was stuck in that role. Its not an easy role. And it involves on some level not being booked strong. It requires constant loosing but being able to put create good matches that make the face look like hes been tested and past said test. Henry excelled at it. He worked tighter than he used to work. Sold well and bumped well.

Go back watch three years ago when Tery Funk/Chainsaw Charly was bumping in and out of ring to put over Henry clean.

Then watch this year when Mark Henry is bumping in and out of the ring to put over Shawn Michaels cleanly.

Henry has improved a ton to the point where the four or five months pre-injury the MVP of RAW.

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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.48
    Originally posted by JMShapiro
    From August '02 to May '03, sure. Except you may (not) remember that he didn't do anything after he dropped the cruiserweight title, and wasn't on a PPV between* Wrestlemania and No Mercy -- where he, in fact, lost to Zach Gowen. His jump from Smackdown to Raw took him from going nowhere fast to going nowhere faster.

    I'm pretty sure we already had this conversation once; I forget how it ended. I'm not going to imply jealousy over Matt's loving committed relationship this time though!




I think we did have this chat before when Matt first jumped and thought "This ain't good for him" (oh Psychic Hack) As for him not being pushed after May, you're right and at the time I thought it was very strange too why he'd be pushed down so quickly. But thinking back to it, I think WWE was with in reason to do that... At that time Lita was getting her clearance to return, and I think it's a pretty educated guess to say that Matt started rattling cages about wanting to go to Raw to be with Lita. Why would you push him to a U.S title run or a potential long term feud with anyone with substance if Matt might not even be on SD in a couple of months due to his whining. I must say I would have done the exact same thing to him.

Come on Shapiro if I am known for anything it's a supporter of true love LoL. I mean she could have gone to SD, sure the women division is on Raw but she was always over in spite of her wrestling not because of it. It would have even been better for her, she'd be the big female fish in the shallow SD pond instead of sticking out like a sore thumb in the ring with the Raw girls she would stand out in a positive light on SD... How many undersized egotistical on Raw, he's just one in a bunch instead of SD where he stood out.

As for Mark Henry, yeah I was really impressed with him recently as tomk said his HBK match was very solid. Another match with a smaller guy that really came off well was him & Y2J, as Y2J was a tweener and most of his matches got little reaction because the fans didn't really know how to take him or trust him but his match with Henry was a major highlight as they both turned the crowd very pro-Y2J & actually chanting "You tapped out" to Henry as Jazz & then Trish came in & started scrapping as the ref was distracted with them. After that match I wrote "Wouldn't mind seeing more of this feud, it was solid stuff that HENRY helped Y2J big time... He also had a good bigman v. big man match with Goldberg (their first match) and a surprisingly good series of matches with Booker T including a decent showing on PPV. The personality change did help getting away from the ESPN strong man to a more basic grizzly bear type of man.



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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.60
    Originally posted by tomk
    Mark Henry was put in the unenveyable task of being secondary non-Evolution heel.

    This is jobber to the stars postion. It was what Arn Anderson excelled at. Top heel who jobs to face to set up Flair match.








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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.14
Dude he just said Mark Henry was in the same position, he didn't say Mark Henry was as good as Arn Anderson.



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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.27
Mark isn't half as good as Arn on Arn's worst day, I agree with sox. I really did try to watch for these improvements the internet was railing about and there was nothing. Its an effort just to stay awake watching him, he makes Big Show look like Dynamite Kid if you want grandiose comparisons. Mark Henry is so bad he makes me almost hate wrestling, until I realize that whe he's doing isn't wrestling.
Anyone can have a solid match with Y2J and HBK, even I could(mmm...err, bad, stop fantasizing!). Rather than want the feud to continue I could only feel bad for the poor guys.
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